Massive memory thrashing problem...

alex2069 · Post by **alex2069** » Sun, 7. Dec 08, 14:37

My game plays beautifully in most sectors... Most...
Argon Prime:
I can NOT jump into this sector WITHOUT having the >3gb switch enabled.

Omicron Lyrae + Eighteen Billion + others that I can't remember - most of them core systems - not all the core systems:
These systems I can only jump to if; I have the >3gb switch enabled, AND I'm actually using a MINIMUM of 3gb. <- wtf, lol

If I am using less than 3gb, whatever the current usage is, it will ALWAYS drop like a rock down to ~1.5gb, increase to ~1.7gb, then drop again, etc, rinse an repeat (see pics below).

This has been happening since the 1.2.1 patch (I have the 1.3 patch now). I'm unsure if it was in-effect in earlier patches as during that time my game was much "younger" and I never had any problems. <- If I start a new game, I CAN enter any and all systems.
Also, I do have a couple of scripts/mods installed, but I've ruled them out through the process of elimination, as well as looping through the problem sector I was testing, and dumping all ship info, task usage, etc. trying to figure out what scripts if any were being stupid.
This process was later resolved by me realising that I wasn't using the >3gb switch anymore since the 1.3 patch updated the exe. After I re-enabled the switch, I could jump into Argon Prime again, but as per above, still no-go with the other sectors.

With all of the problem sectors, it doesn't matter how I enter the sector (Jump Drive, Gate, or "put into environment"), the problem is the same.
If, however, I destroy a chunk of the ships (grab the ship array of the sector, destroy say 30% of them), I can enter any and all systems (even without the >3gb switch) with no problems.

Also, when I say I can't enter the sectors, I mean, I can, but it's just impossible to do anything; MASSIVELY jumpy, no HUD, etc. To get out you do Shift+J, you have to hold it down for a couple of seconds before you can hear the "beep" sound of the jump screen opening, at which point you can see the sector map, but no actual UI with it. If I hold down left or right or whatever to change sector, same thing. Press (and hold) enter, it'll eventually enter the sector. Press (and hold) enter again, it'll eventually say "Jump Drive charging" or whatever it says. Then for the next 2 mins, Betty will try ever so hard to count to 100%, lol.
(10%->20%->30%->10%->20%->30%->40%->20%->10%->50%, etc).
Eventually I'll jump out and the game will return to normal.

Some pics of my problems:
This first image shows what happens if I jump out of a problem sector. The first half of the graph just goes up and down ~200mb. Guess when I finally jumped out of the sector? lol
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This is me jumping into Eighteen Billion, then jumping out again. Can you guess which period is me in Eighteen Billion?

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This time I jumped to another sector first (the memory usage peaks at about 2.2gb), then jumped back to a problem sector.
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Me still in a problem sector (guess when I alt-tabbed

). At which point I tried to restore, but it had a fit and I had to kill the process.
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This is me avoiding the problem (mostly core) sectors, picking up a patrol mission (which btw are WAY to easy now; you really go to the extremes don't you Egosoft? lol).
Guess when ships were spawning.

Incase you don't get it, it's those spikes in IO and a slight bit of thrashing; why, when I have plenty of free ram at that point, I don't know.
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Still the same patrol mission. Was nice and smooth after it got over the load bits. Almost at the 3gb; I'll be able to visit Omicron Lyrae soon!
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I netted a nice 6million credits (was NOT "Very Hard", but bleh), and I can finally jump in to start the Exterminator mission (been meaning to for a while; figured the 1.3 would've balanced it a bit).
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Guess when I entered Omicron Lyrae? lol
Also, why it does a massive drop in memory usage is beyond me, as I still had free RAM (~5%), and if at this point I jump to ANY other (non-problem) sector, the memory usage will continue to rise (it usually peaks at about 3.6-3.7). It's only these problem sectors that cause a massive drop in memory. I'm assuming it has something to do with the sheer number of ships/objects (given that by destroying a chunk of them allows me entry without waiting for 3gb+).
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So that ends my adventure, my story of how I enter Omicron Lyrae, lol.

Oh, and finally, my DxDiag: (updated again)

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System Information
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Time of this report: 12/8/2008, 21:00:58
       Machine name: ALEX
   Operating System: Windows Vista™ Ultimate (6.0, Build 6001) Service Pack 1 (6001.vistasp1_gdr.080917-1612)
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.
       System Model: X48-DQ6
               BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG
          Processor: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           X3350  @ 2.66GHz (4 CPUs), ~2.7GHz
             Memory: 4094MB RAM
          Page File: 1823MB used, 6570MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\Windows
    DirectX Version: DirectX 10
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
     DxDiag Version: 6.00.6001.18000 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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      Display Tab 1: No problems found.
      Display Tab 2: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)

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                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC1,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {B338D50D-A64A-4790-AC01-475B64252A78}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC1,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {F9F19DA5-3B09-4B2F-9D89-C64753E3EAAB}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC1,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC2,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC2,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC2,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {B338D50D-A64A-4790-AC01-475B64252A78}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC2,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {F9F19DA5-3B09-4B2F-9D89-C64753E3EAAB}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC2,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC3,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC3,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC3,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {B338D50D-A64A-4790-AC01-475B64252A78}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC3,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {F9F19DA5-3B09-4B2F-9D89-C64753E3EAAB}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC3,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC4,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC4,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC4,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {B338D50D-A64A-4790-AC01-475B64252A78}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC4,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {F9F19DA5-3B09-4B2F-9D89-C64753E3EAAB}: Format(In/Out)=(IMC4,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(S340,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(S340,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(S340,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {B338D50D-A64A-4790-AC01-475B64252A78}: Format(In/Out)=(S340,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {F9F19DA5-3B09-4B2F-9D89-C64753E3EAAB}: Format(In/Out)=(S340,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {6CB69578-7617-4637-91E5-1C02DB810285}: Format(In/Out)=(S342,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=(S342,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=(S342,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {B338D50D-A64A-4790-AC01-475B64252A78}: Format(In/Out)=(S342,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
                   {F9F19DA5-3B09-4B2F-9D89-C64753E3EAAB}: Format(In/Out)=(S342,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
     DDraw Status: Enabled
       D3D Status: Enabled
       AGP Status: Enabled

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Sound Devices
-------------
            Description: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
 Default Sound Playback: Yes
 Default Voice Playback: Yes
            Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0885&SUBSYS_1458A002&REV_1001
        Manufacturer ID: 1
             Product ID: 100
                   Type: WDM
            Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
         Driver Version: 6.00.0001.5672 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
            WHQL Logo'd: n/a
          Date and Size: 7/24/2008 18:05:46, 1488032 bytes
            Other Files: 
        Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
         HW Accel Level: Basic
              Cap Flags: 0xF1F
    Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
              HW Memory: 0
       Voice Management: No
 EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
   I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

            Description: Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio)
 Default Sound Playback: No
 Default Voice Playback: No
            Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0885&SUBSYS_1458A002&REV_1001
        Manufacturer ID: 1
             Product ID: 100
                   Type: WDM
            Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
         Driver Version: 6.00.0001.5672 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
            WHQL Logo'd: n/a
          Date and Size: 7/24/2008 18:05:46, 1488032 bytes
            Other Files: 
        Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
         HW Accel Level: Basic
              Cap Flags: 0xF1F
    Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
              HW Memory: 0
       Voice Management: No
 EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
   I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

---------------------
Sound Capture Devices
---------------------
            Description: Realtek Digital Input (Realtek High Definition Audio)
  Default Sound Capture: Yes
  Default Voice Capture: Yes
            Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
         Driver Version: 6.00.0001.5672 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
          Date and Size: 7/24/2008 18:05:46, 1488032 bytes
              Cap Flags: 0x1
           Format Flags: 0xFFFFF

            Description: Microphone (2- USB Audio Device)
  Default Sound Capture: No
  Default Voice Capture: No
            Driver Name: USBAUDIO.sys
         Driver Version: 6.00.6001.18000 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
          Date and Size: 1/21/2008 13:16:12, 98816 bytes
              Cap Flags: 0x1
           Format Flags: 0xFFFFF

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DirectInput Devices
-------------------
      Device Name: Mouse
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Keyboard
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: G15 Gaming Keyboard
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC226
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: G15 Gaming Keyboard
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC226
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: G15 GamePanel LCD
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC227
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: USB Receiver
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC51A
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: USB Receiver
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC51A
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: USB Receiver
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC51A
        FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No

-----------
USB Devices
-----------
+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x8086, 0x2939
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub

----------------
Gameport Devices
----------------

------------
PS/2 Devices
------------
+ HID Keyboard Device
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC226
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard
| Service: kbdhid
| 
+ HID Keyboard Device
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC227
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard
| Service: kbdhid
| 
+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
| 
+ Logitech HID-compliant Cordless Mouse
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC51A
| Matching Device ID: hid\vid_046d&pid_c51a&mi_00
| Upper Filters: LMouFilt
| Lower Filters: LHidFilt
| Service: mouhid
| 
+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD

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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
------------------------
      Drive: C:
 Free Space: 37.3 GB
Total Space: 153.6 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: Volume0

      Drive: D:
 Free Space: 117.3 GB
Total Space: 512.0 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: Volume0

      Drive: E:
 Free Space: 91.8 GB
Total Space: 153.6 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: Volume0

      Drive: F:
 Free Space: 269.6 GB
Total Space: 401.8 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: Volume0

      Drive: G:
 Free Space: 350.0 GB
Total Space: 715.4 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: WDC WD7500AACS-00D6B0

      Drive: H:
      Model: LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S ATA Device
     Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), , 0 bytes

--------------
System Devices
--------------
     Name: Intel(R) X38/X48 Express Chipset PCI Express Root Port - 29E9
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_29E9&SUBSYS_50001458&REV_01\3&13C0B0C5&2&30
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) X38/X48 Express Chipset PCI Express Root Port - 29E1
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_29E1&SUBSYS_50001458&REV_01\3&13C0B0C5&2&08
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) X38/X48 Express Chipset Processor to I/O Controller - 29E0
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_29E0&SUBSYS_50001458&REV_01\3&13C0B0C5&2&00
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 6 - 294A
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_294A&SUBSYS_50011458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&E5
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 5 - 2948
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2948&SUBSYS_50011458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&E4
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 4 - 2946
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2946&SUBSYS_50011458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&E3
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 1 - 2940
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2940&SUBSYS_50011458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&E0
   Driver: n/a

     Name: High Definition Audio Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_293E&SUBSYS_A0221458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&D8
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 293C
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_293C&SUBSYS_50061458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&D7
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 293A
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_293A&SUBSYS_50061458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&EF
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2939
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2939&SUBSYS_50041458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&D2
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2938
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2938&SUBSYS_50041458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&D1
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2937
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2937&SUBSYS_50041458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&D0
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2936
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2936&SUBSYS_50041458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&EA
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2935
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2935&SUBSYS_50041458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&E9
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2934
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2934&SUBSYS_50041458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&E8
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family SMBus Controller - 2930
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2930&SUBSYS_50011458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&FB
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) ICH9R LPC Interface Controller - 2916
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2916&SUBSYS_50011458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&F8
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) ICH8R/ICH9R SATA RAID Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2822&SUBSYS_B0001458&REV_02\3&13C0B0C5&2&FA
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) 82801 PCI Bridge - 244E
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_244E&SUBSYS_50001458&REV_92\3&13C0B0C5&2&F0
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_197B&DEV_2363&SUBSYS_B0001458&REV_02\4&CACCF14&0&00E3
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Realtek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) Family PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC (NDIS 6.0) #8
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10EC&DEV_8168&SUBSYS_E0001458&REV_02\4&30A2D01F&0&00E5
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Realtek RTL8168C(P)/8111C(P) Family PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC (NDIS 6.0) #7
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10EC&DEV_8168&SUBSYS_E0001458&REV_02\4&2EA914C&0&00E4
   Driver: n/a

     Name: NVIDIA GeForce 9800 GTX/9800 GTX+
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0612&SUBSYS_2AB6107D&REV_A2\4&10AB1444&0&0008
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Texas Instruments OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_104C&DEV_8024&SUBSYS_10001458&REV_00\4&397C2DC8&0&30F0
   Driver: n/a

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DirectShow Filters
------------------

DirectShow Filters:
WMAudio Decoder DMO,0x00800800,1,1,,
WMAPro over S/PDIF DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
WMSpeech Decoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
MP3 Decoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
Mpeg4s Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
WMV Screen decoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
WMVideo Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
Mpeg43 Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
Mpeg4 Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,,
Annodex Mux Filter,0x00200000,1,0,dsfAnxMux.dll,
CMML Decode Filter,0x00800002,1,1,dsfCMMLDecoder.dll,
CMML Raw Source Filter,0x00600000,0,0,dsfCMMLRawSource.dll,
FLAC Decode Filter,0x00600000,1,1,dsfFLACDecoder.dll,
FLAC Encode Filter,0x00200000,1,1,dsfFLACEncoder.dll,
Native FLAC Source Filter,0x00600000,0,0,dsfNativeFLACSource.dll,
Ogg Demux Packet Source Filter,0x00600000,0,0,dsfOggDemux2.dll,
Ogg Mux Filter,0x00200000,1,0,dsfOggMux.dll,
OGM Decode Filter,0x00600000,1,1,dsfOGMDecoder.dll,
Speex Decode Filter,0x00600000,1,1,dsfSpeexDecoder.dll,
Speex Encode Filter,0x00200000,1,1,dsfSpeexEncoder.dll,
Subtitle VMR9 Filter,0x00800002,1,1,dsfSubtitleVMR9.dll,
Theora Decode Filter,0x00600000,1,1,dsfTheoraDecoder.dll,
Theora Encode Filter,0x00200000,1,1,dsfTheoraEncoder.dll,
Vorbis Decode Filter,0x00600000,1,1,dsfVorbisDecoder.dll,
Vorbis Encode Filter,0x00200000,1,1,dsfVorbisEncoder.dll,
ffdshow Video Decoder,0xff800001,2,1,ffdshow.ax,
Full Screen Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
ffdshow raw video filter,0x00200000,2,1,ffdshow.ax,
ffdshow Audio Decoder,0x3fffffff,1,1,ffdshow.ax,
DV Muxer,0x00400000,0,0,,6.06.6001.18000
Color Space Converter,0x00400001,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
WM ASF Reader,0x00400000,0,0,,11.00.6001.7000
Screen Capture filter,0x00200000,0,1,wmpsrcwp.dll,11.00.6001.7000
AVI Splitter,0x00600000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
VGA 16 Color Ditherer,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Microsoft MPEG-2 Video Decoder,0x005fffff,2,4,msmpeg2vdec.dll,11.00.6001.7000
AC3 Parser Filter,0x00600000,1,1,mpg2splt.ax,6.06.6001.18115
StreamBufferSink,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.6001.18000
MJPEG Decompressor,0x00600000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
MPEG-I Stream Splitter,0x00600000,1,2,,6.06.6001.18063
SAMI (CC) Parser,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
VBI Codec,0x00600000,1,4,VBICodec.ax,6.06.6001.18000
MPEG Layer-3 Decoder,0x00810000,1,1,l3codecx.ax,
MPEG-2 Splitter,0x005fffff,1,0,mpg2splt.ax,6.06.6001.18115
Microsoft MPEG-2 Video Encoder,0x00200000,2,0,msmpeg2enc.dll,11.00.6001.7000
Internal Script Command Renderer,0x00800001,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
MPEG Audio Decoder,0x03680001,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
DV Splitter,0x00600000,1,2,,6.06.6001.18000
Video Mixing Renderer 9,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
Microsoft MPEG-2 Encoder,0x00200000,2,1,msmpeg2enc.dll,11.00.6001.7000
Xvid MPEG-4 Video Decoder,0x00800000,1,1,xvid.ax,
ACM Wrapper,0x00600000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Video Renderer,0x00800001,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
MPEG-2 Video Stream Analyzer,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.6001.18000
Line 21 Decoder,0x00600000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000
Video Port Manager,0x00600000,2,1,,6.06.6001.18063
WST Decoder,0x00600000,1,1,wstdecod.dll,
Video Renderer,0x00400000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
WM ASF Writer,0x00400000,0,0,,11.00.6001.7000
VBI Surface Allocator,0x00600000,1,1,vbisurf.ax,
File writer,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18000
DVD Navigator,0x00200000,0,3,,6.06.6001.18000
Overlay Mixer2,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000
Asus Motion Detect Filter,0x00200000,1,1,motiondetect.ax,
AVI Draw,0x00600064,9,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Microsoft MPEG-2 Audio Encoder,0x00200000,2,0,msmpeg2enc.dll,11.00.6001.7000
WST Pager,0x00800000,1,1,WSTPager.ax,6.06.6001.18000
MPEG-2 Demultiplexer,0x00600000,1,1,mpg2splt.ax,6.06.6001.18115
DV Video Decoder,0x00800000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000
ffdshow Audio Processor,0x00200000,1,1,ffdshow.ax,
LifeFrame_Effect,0x00200000,1,1,camera_effect.ax,2.00.0000.0001
SampleGrabber,0x00200000,1,1,qedit.dll,
Null Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,qedit.dll,
MPEG-2 Sections and Tables,0x005fffff,1,0,mpeg2data.ax,
Microsoft AC3 Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,msac3enc.dll,11.00.6001.7000
StreamBufferSource,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.6001.18000
Smart Tee,0x00200000,1,2,,6.06.6001.18000
Overlay Mixer,0x00200000,0,0,,6.06.6001.18000
AVI Decompressor,0x00600000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
AVI/WAV File Source,0x00400000,0,2,,6.06.6001.18063
QuickTime Movie Parser,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,
Wave Parser,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
MIDI Parser,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Multi-file Parser,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
File stream renderer,0x00400000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
LifeFrame Audio,0x00200000,1,1,LifeFrameAudio.ax,9.00.0000.0000
Microsoft MPEG-1/DD Audio Decoder,0x005fffff,1,1,msmpeg2adec.dll,11.00.6001.7000
AVI Mux,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18000
Line 21 Decoder 2,0x00600002,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
File Source (Async.),0x00400000,0,1,,6.06.6001.18063
File Source (URL),0x00400000,0,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Infinite Pin Tee Filter,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000
Enhanced Video Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,evr.dll,6.00.6001.18000
BDA MPEG2 Transport Information Filter,0x00200000,1,0,psisrndr.ax,
QT Decompressor,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,
MPEG Video Decoder,0x40000001,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063

WDM Streaming Tee/Splitter Devices:
Tee/Sink-to-Sink Converter,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,

Video Compressors:
WMVideo8 Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
WMVideo9 Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
MSScreen 9 encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
DV Video Encoder,0x00200000,0,0,,6.06.6001.18000
ffdshow video encoder,0x00100000,1,1,ffdshow.ax,
MJPEG Compressor,0x00200000,0,0,,6.06.6001.18063
Cinepak Codec by Radius,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000
ffdshow Video Codec,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000
Intel IYUV codec,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000
Intel IYUV codec,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000
Microsoft RLE,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000
Microsoft Video 1,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000
Xvid MPEG-4 Codec,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18000

Audio Compressors:
WM Speech Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
WMAudio Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,,
Lernout & Hauspie CELP 4.8kbit/s,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Lernout & Hauspie SBC 8kbit/s,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Lernout & Hauspie SBC 12kbit/s,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Lernout & Hauspie SBC 16kbit/s,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
IMA ADPCM,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
PCM,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Microsoft ADPCM,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
GSM 6.10,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
Messenger Audio Codec,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
CCITT A-Law,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
CCITT u-Law,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063
MPEG Layer-3,0x00200000,1,1,,6.06.6001.18063

Audio Capture Sources:
Realtek Digital Input (Realtek ,0x00200000,0,0,,6.06.6001.18000
Microphone (2- USB Audio Device,0x00200000,0,0,,6.06.6001.18000

Midi Renderers:
Default MidiOut Device,0x00800000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063

WDM Streaming Capture Devices:
Realtek HD Digital input,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,
,0x00000000,0,0,,
,0x00000000,0,0,,
,0x00000000,0,0,,
,0x00000000,0,0,,
ASUS USB2.0 Webcam,0x00200000,1,2,ksproxy.ax,
ASUS USB2.0 Webcam,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,
USB Audio Device,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,

WDM Streaming Rendering Devices:
Realtek HD Audio output,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,
Realtek HDA SPDIF Out,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,

BDA Network Providers:
Microsoft ATSC Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,
Microsoft DVBC Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,
Microsoft DVBS Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,
Microsoft DVBT Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,
Microsoft Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSNP.ax,6.06.6001.18115

Video Capture Sources:
ASUS USB2.0 Webcam,0x00200000,1,2,ksproxy.ax,

Multi-Instance Capable VBI Codecs:
VBI Codec,0x00600000,1,4,VBICodec.ax,6.06.6001.18000

BDA Transport Information Renderers:
BDA MPEG2 Transport Information Filter,0x00600000,1,0,psisrndr.ax,
MPEG-2 Sections and Tables,0x00600000,1,0,mpeg2data.ax,

BDA CP/CA Filters:
Decrypt/Tag,0x00600000,1,0,EncDec.dll,6.06.6001.18115
Encrypt/Tag,0x00200000,0,0,EncDec.dll,6.06.6001.18115
XDS Codec,0x00200000,0,0,EncDec.dll,6.06.6001.18115

WDM Streaming Communication Transforms:
Tee/Sink-to-Sink Converter,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,

Audio Renderers:
Speakers (Realtek High Definiti,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
Default DirectSound Device,0x00800000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
Default WaveOut Device,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
DirectSound: Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio),0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
DirectSound: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio),0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063
Realtek Digital Output (Realtek,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063

BugMeister · Post by **BugMeister** » Sun, 7. Dec 08, 18:54

- there is a later gfx driver at NVIDIA..
- and there's also a later sound driver at Realtek

- might be worth updating..

alex2069 · Post by **alex2069** » Mon, 8. Dec 08, 01:01

BugMeister wrote:- there is a later gfx driver at NVIDIA..
- and there's also a later sound driver at Realtek

- might be worth updating..

I doubted it'd be related to those, however I figured I might as well update them anyways on the off chance it did help, but to no avail. I've update the DxDiag as well.
It looks more like a bug rather than things not playing nice; most noticably due to the IO thrashing; the game is stuck in some sort of cache/memory loop; ~65mb constant IO is not normal, what is it trying to read in? Half my computer? lol

Tracker001 · Post by **Tracker001** » Mon, 8. Dec 08, 01:32

http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=217747

X3TC doesn't like the ffdshow codecs, so if you have it installed (on its own or as part of a codec pack) you need to either uninstall it, or exclude X3TC from the programs that use it.

Nero Digital Subpicture Enc 8,0x00200000,1,0,NeNDMux.ax,5.03.0009.0000
Nero Digital Video Enc 8,0x00200000,1,2,NeNDVid.ax,5.03.0009.0000
Nero Sound Switcher,0x00200000,1,1,NeSoundSwitch.ax,5.03.0009.0000

ffdshow Video Decoder,0xff800001,2,1,ffdshow.ax,1.00.0005.1712
Nero QuickTime(tm) Audio Decoder,0x00400000,1,1,NeQTDec.ax,5.03.0009.0000
Nero File Source (Async.),0x00400000,0,1,NeFileSourceAsync.ax,5.03.0009.0000
Nero Subpicture Decoder,0x00400000,1,1,NeSubpicture.ax,5.03.0009.0000
Full Screen Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063

If you haven't already ?

I'm still wondering about AC3 !

Edit :

The game does everything in its power to select the correct codecs to play back sounds, but certain badly-behaved codecs can still interfere. The most common culprits are ffdshow, Nero and Ulead. For ffdshow see

Same linky as above

alex2069 · Post by **alex2069** » Mon, 8. Dec 08, 05:07

Tracker001 wrote:http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=217747

X3TC doesn't like the ffdshow codecs, so if you have it installed (on its own or as part of a codec pack) you need to either uninstall it, or exclude X3TC from the programs that use it.
Nero Digital Subpicture Enc 8,0x00200000,1,0,NeNDMux.ax,5.03.0009.0000
Nero Digital Video Enc 8,0x00200000,1,2,NeNDVid.ax,5.03.0009.0000
Nero Sound Switcher,0x00200000,1,1,NeSoundSwitch.ax,5.03.0009.0000
ffdshow Video Decoder,0xff800001,2,1,ffdshow.ax,1.00.0005.1712
Nero QuickTime(tm) Audio Decoder,0x00400000,1,1,NeQTDec.ax,5.03.0009.0000
Nero File Source (Async.),0x00400000,0,1,NeFileSourceAsync.ax,5.03.0009.0000
Nero Subpicture Decoder,0x00400000,1,1,NeSubpicture.ax,5.03.0009.0000
Full Screen Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,,6.06.6001.18063

If you haven't already ?

I'm still wondering about AC3 !

Edit :
The game does everything in its power to select the correct codecs to play back sounds, but certain badly-behaved codecs can still interfere. The most common culprits are ffdshow, Nero and Ulead. For ffdshow see
Same linky as above

For FFDShow: That has been disabled since the first run of X3TC (it asked if wanted to use it; I selected no - I've had problems with other games from this). However I did go into the options and confirmed it for both the audio and video, and it is definitely disabled.

As for the Nero stuff: Woops, lol.
I forgot I reinstalled Nero (uninstalled it for X3R as well). However the problem continues.

Strange thing though, after Nero had finished uninstalling, it asked for a restart (I said no), started up X3TC and jumped to Omicron Lyrae, and it worked fine... I think...
I alt-f4ed out, and figured I'd better reboot to make sure. However it's still a no-go. I'm thinking I might've jumped to the wrong sector (hit 'o' too few or too many times and wasn't watching?). So I dunno, I might've imagined it, lol.
My DxDiag has been updated... I might try removing some of those other codecs and stuff.

alex2069 · Post by **alex2069** » Mon, 8. Dec 08, 06:03

Well, I found my problem!
Using Process Explorer I checked all the loaded libraries X3TC was using, and most of them were from MS, EGOSOFT, or from files within the X3TC directory...
Except for one!
RealMediaSplitter.ax <- BAD
I've never liked Real Media, lol

After removing this, I can jump and go anywhere I want!
Yay!

So there ya go mods, there's another one to add to the list of things X3TC doesn't like.

Also, I think my game is actually running smoother, lol.
Aldrin isn't anywhere near as jumpy as it used to be.

Edit: That actually might be another nice way to help people find their performance issues. Selecting X3TC in Process Explorer and hitting Ctrl+A lets you save its loaded libraries list.
I wouldn't be surprised in the least if there were other strange codecs on other peoples machines destroying the beauty that is X3TC.

Edit Again: Ahhhhhh for **** sake!
It's screwing up again damn it.
Why does it work sometimes and others not. Tried a reboot, but now I can't jump back in at all. Gah.

eladan · Post by **eladan** » Mon, 8. Dec 08, 09:06

Another trick I've seen CBJ suggest a few times is to reinstall WMP 10 or 11 when you've done some messing with your codecs - helps ensure the list is clean. Worth a try.

alex2069 · Post by **alex2069** » Mon, 8. Dec 08, 10:04

I can't.

The latest version of WMP for download is 11.0.5721.5146. I have version 11.0.6001.7000 so it refuses to repair/install.
And no, you can't uninstall WMP from Vista... At all, lol.
Searched over Google for a good 10min trying to figure out how, but everywhere I looked said it's not possible.

However I'm pretty certain it is not a codec related issue. I found a nice little program and disabled ALL codecs, lol.
It was still using the ffdshow.ax, but only as VFW so it shouldn't have an effect on it, but using this program it disabled this as well (it was no longer being loaded/wasn't in the DLL and Handles listing), but still no good - I also confirmed this wasn't effecting it by renaming the file so it couldn't be loaded.

During my anger at it playing up again, I walked away to get food, came back 5 min later and... It was working, lol.

I have no idea why, but it eventually fixed itself:
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Of course once I tried to jump to another sector it screwed up again... That sector being Argon Prime now... Gah. x.x

Edit: Ok, well, I'm stumped.
I did a restart (again), first thing I did was load up X3TC, and jump straight into Omicron Lyrae and... It works perfectly...
I quit out, try again... Doesn't work anymore. Gah.
So I quit out (again), start it up, jump in, and lo and behold, it works perfectly.
So this is starting to really piss me off, lol
I figured maybe it was something running in the background, so I close every application, shut down every single non-essential program. Start up X3TC, jump to Omicron Lyrae, and yay! It works.
Close it down, start it back up (again again again!), jump in, and bah. Doesn't work.
So I try AGAIN, close down X3TC, start it back up, jump in, and what do you know it damn well works, lol.
So I try closing down and starting it over and over. At first it looked like it was working every second time, but that was soon ruled out; it's completely damn random!! Sometimes it'll work, sometimes it wont.
Anyone have any other suggestions? x.x

Post by **Xenon_Slayer** » Mon, 8. Dec 08, 13:36

See what happens if you rename the file mov\00002.dat to something else such as _00002.dat.

EDIT: An other suggestion is to try a different graphics card with less memory. Perhaps the large amount of memory is not being handled efficiently.

alex2069 · Post by **alex2069** » Tue, 9. Dec 08, 09:49

Xenon_Slayer wrote:See what happens if you rename the file mov\00002.dat to something else such as _00002.dat.

EDIT: An other suggestion is to try a different graphics card with less memory. Perhaps the large amount of memory is not being handled efficiently.

I tried doing the rename thingy, but it's no good.
At first it looked like it had helped, but I think if it did anything, it might've decrease the number of times it would occur, or it almost looks like it occurs later in the system - I'll jump in, it'll work fine for 5-10 seconds, but then it'll just start going all stupid again.

As for the alternate gfx card... I'll have to rip it out of my other comp (probably do it later tonight).

I tried doing a fresh install (another directory), and created a new game, opened up the script editor and jumped myself to Omicron Lyrae... It was bad and jumpy... x.x
So apparently a new game and a script/mod free install also has the problem. However what was weird is that if I closed it down and tried again, out of all the times I tried (many, lol), only twice did it screw up again. After that, it would work perfectly.
However, if I then went and played my original installation, it would be as normal (either work or not, stupid thing), but then go back to the fresh install, it would screw up once, then work perfectly there-after.
This happens almost almost every time, so is there anything that the game sets/saves as it quits that could possibly affect the clean installation? But then once the clean installation quits, it'll work fine until I run the "dirty" one (or so it appears).

ezra-r · Post by **ezra-r** » Tue, 9. Dec 08, 10:47

Not that Im saying it must be this but your description of your massive lag when entering a sector happened to me in X3:R + Xtended with one of the stations getting destroyed and being respawned in the same place over and over and over and over.. GPU couldnt handle the number of polys I guess..

alex2069 · Post by **alex2069** » Tue, 9. Dec 08, 14:23

ezra-r wrote:Not that Im saying it must be this but your description of your massive lag when entering a sector happened to me in X3:R + Xtended with one of the stations getting destroyed and being respawned in the same place over and over and over and over.. GPU couldnt handle the number of polys I guess..

It's definitely not that as destroying a large chunk of the ships before jumping in allows me to avoid the problem.

Xenon_Slayer wrote:EDIT: An other suggestion is to try a different graphics card with less memory. Perhaps the large amount of memory is not being handled efficiently.

I put in my old GF 6600 GT, updated its drivers, but no good either.
Tried it 5 times for good measure, lol.
First time it screwed up as soon as I jumped in (like "normal").
Second, third and fourth times I was able to jump in, but after flying around for a min it would start screwing up (see pics)
Fifth time just screwed up as soon as I jumped in like normal. x.x

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After which I promptly put my 9800 GTX back in. Wow, I'd forgotten how shit that old thing was, lol.

So, any other suggestions from anyone? x.x

frymaster · Post by **frymaster** » Tue, 9. Dec 08, 15:19

Is this vista 64 or vista 32? As you obviously shouldn't get more than 3 gigs of memory usage under vista 32 with the 3gb boot switch (and that switch doesn't exist and isn't necessary with vista 64)

My theory is it's not related to the number of ships, but to the variety of them, but there's other things at work here - I had no problems in OL just on 2 gigs, let alone more.

Any chance you could screenshot what your threads tab looks like? And (I'm away from my computer so I don't know the correct name) the part of process explorer that shows what DLLs a program has loaded? My working theory is that something on some systems but not others is stealing process memory

EDIT: Have you got an example of a save where jumping to a sector will cause the memory yo-yo-ing you can send me? Preferably one that isn't using any scripts. I'd like to compare and contrast on my system.