Am I the only one, who think, that current capships are bad?

[mr.WHO]

XR capships are OP (plasma JET turrets on Fulmekron could wipe dozens of fighters in seconds), but X4 are too weak.

The ideal power would be in the middle between X4 and XR.

[tomchk]

XR capships are OP (plasma JET turrets on Fulmekron could wipe dozens of fighters in seconds), but X4 are too weak.

The ideal power would be in the middle between X4 and XR.

Middle sounds great--I just want those fantastic designs back!

[Pesanur]

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Wait, did they finally fixed drones in X-Rebirth - I never actually saw the "torpedo drone" in use ever (I stopped playing XR around 3.0).

can't be 100%, had fun with that hacking drone
and I guess I used the torpedo drone a couple of times

Those torpedo drones were great for destroying turrets groups in the capital ships.

[Jaswolf]

I want it too!
I'm ready to pay for an official DLC adding XR capital and sub capital ships in X4.

[tomchk]

I want it too!
I'm ready to pay for an official DLC adding XR capital and sub capital ships in X4.

If they don't make at least one DLC with lots of X:R sectors and capitals, I will be very sad and surprised (as I think many others will)!

[Tomonor]

I want it too!
I'm ready to pay for an official DLC adding XR capital and sub capital ships in X4.

If they don't make at least one DLC with lots of X:R sectors and capitals, I will be very sad and surprised (as I think many others will)!

I wouldn't hold my breath to be honest.

[grapedog]

i guess I'm mystified by what people expect a "cap" ship to do in this game that a carrier isn't already doing.

or do people just want to sail the stars in a giant un-killable do-whatever-it-wants battleship? I'm sure you could just mod one in....

Battleships don't really exist in real life anymore for a very specific reason, because they would actually get the shit kicked out of them. That's why we have carriers, subs, destroyers, frigates, cruisers, and all the other naval ships in the different militarizes around the world. But no one is sailing around in battleships... because they suck(except in that one movie).

Are we talking like a star wars dreadnought type ship? Exactly what happened to that ship should happen to a similar ship in this game. It should get the shit kicked out of it by small fighters and scouts, but it's really good against other large ships. Though if they put something like a dreadnought in, it would be super easy to just wreck it unless you surround it like you would a carrier. With an aux ship, a few destroyers, and a slew of small and medium fighters.



Personally, I'd rather seem them add more corvette type ships, medium fighters like the Nemesis, and then also 1 step up from the nemesis. Something between the medium nemesis and large destroyer.

[LameFox]

i guess I'm mystified by what people expect a "cap" ship to do in this game that a carrier isn't already doing.

or do people just want to sail the stars in a giant un-killable do-whatever-it-wants battleship? I'm sure you could just mod one in....

Battleships don't really exist in real life anymore for a very specific reason, because they would actually get the shit kicked out of them. That's why we have carriers, subs, destroyers, frigates, cruisers, and all the other naval ships in the different militarizes around the world. But no one is sailing around in battleships... because they suck(except in that one movie).

Are we talking like a star wars dreadnought type ship? Exactly what happened to that ship should happen to a similar ship in this game. It should get the shit kicked out of it by small fighters and scouts, but it's really good against other large ships. Though if they put something like a dreadnought in, it would be super easy to just wreck it unless you surround it like you would a carrier. With an aux ship, a few destroyers, and a slew of small and medium fighters.



Personally, I'd rather seem them add more corvette type ships, medium fighters like the Nemesis, and then also 1 step up from the nemesis. Something between the medium nemesis and large destroyer.

Yes, it's more like the Star-wars ship, or like an actual battleship from when they were still used on each other and fixed installations. The real life factors that made them irrelevant don't exist in games like this anyway, kinda like how fighters are still flying around in each others' faces firing guns instead of using missiles from beyond visual range.

Also for purely practical reasons it's nice to have large ships like that to cut down on micromanagement and game performance issues when you want a lot of firepower IMO.

[Tomonor]

Wait a second...

[LameFox]

Wait a second...

Google translate says it was added via mod.

[tomchk]

Wait a second...

Google translate says it was added via mod.

I got excited also but then saw the translation. I *really* hope Egosoft are seeing how even journalists highlight the awe of Arawns in X4 and port accordingly...

[MegaJohnny]

That image gallery seems a bit zany, they've got a screenshot from XR and one of X3 with a cockpit mod as well.

[Warnoise]

>When X4 ships are so bad, journalists used modded X-rebirth ships to promote the game

Damn, that should raise the alarm in X4 ship design team.

[Cabrelbeuk]

They are well aware about the feedback of their cap-ship design . Poorly they answered already, they don't have the resources for revamp. Some might get light modif but no remake.

To answer @grapedog : Battleship in space are supposed to be a tool against heavily defended stations, as well as cruiser.
I don't really think we miss them in the current state game as we are supposed to have cruiser, but currently there is no current cap ship to play this role efficiently.
Hence why taking down station requires a lot of corvette (and carriers) but no cruiser.

It is the usual balance problem of every space X4 : for the same cost, 100 small ship has more fire power than 1 big (not accurate number).

Big cruisers are supposed to be full of tool to take down slow/immobile enemy, but currently it is still less efficient than building a bench of bombers/corvettes for the same price.

Always wondered why there is no Flak weapon to equip on corvette or fregate ships in X games.

[ubuntufreakdragon]

Am I the only one, who thinks, that current cargo capships are bad, too?
I think all container L ships should get their hold multiplied by 4 (and Station S&M Container modules) to be at least somewhat competitive.
a M cargo ship cost close to nothing (in comparison), is much faster, more flexible and carries up to half of the smallest L ship.

[LameFox]

Am I the only one, who thinks, that current cargo capships are bad, too?
I think all container L ships should get their hold multiplied by 4 (and Station S&M Container modules) to be at least somewhat competitive.
a M cargo ship cost close to nothing (in comparison), is much faster, more flexible and carries up to half of the smallest L ship.

Do they even use all that space? It doesn't seem like it. Those ships feel like they & the AI traders need a total overhaul for them to have any meaning at all.

[ubuntufreakdragon]

Am I the only one, who thinks, that current cargo capships are bad, too?
I think all container L ships should get their hold multiplied by 4 (and Station S&M Container modules) to be at least somewhat competitive.
a M cargo ship cost close to nothing (in comparison), is much faster, more flexible and carries up to half of the smallest L ship.

Do they even use all that space? It doesn't seem like it. Those ships feel like they & the AI traders need a total overhaul for them to have any meaning at all.

For manual trades yes, auto trade of cause no, AI needs to be fixed badly, hopefully Egosoft at least ported my fix for station traders.

[Tya]

Capships are fine for their cost. You pay about 8x the price of a fighter, and get something that's about 8x as strong as a fighter.

I'd rather see the current destroyers renamed to Frigates, and current Frigates renamed to something else.

I think the whole issue is down to the name.

[Warnoise]

Capships are fine for their cost. You pay about 8x the price of a fighter, and get something that's about 8x as strong as a fighter.

I'd rather see the current destroyers renamed to Frigates, and current Frigates renamed to something else.

I think the whole issue is down to the name.

a fully equipped destroyer has roughly 2.5 the price of a fully equipped frigate class ship. A destroyer can solo 4+ M class ships...

[sh1pman]

Capships are fine for their cost. You pay about 8x the price of a fighter, and get something that's about 8x as strong as a fighter.

I'd rather see the current destroyers renamed to Frigates, and current Frigates renamed to something else.

I think the whole issue is down to the name.

Destroyer is the right name. “Fast, maneuverable, long-endurance warship intended to escort larger vessels in a fleet, convoy or battle group and defend them against powerful short range attackers”. So its role is to serve as a medium class escort for carriers, (non-existent) cruisers and battleships. They just need to add those big ships.