felter wrote: ↑Fri, 25. Jul 25, 05:05
Looks like things are not going too well for Trump, it is looking more and more like this is going to end up being Trumps Watergate event. He has been telling Republicans to divert the conversation away from him when anyone asks about him being a pedo, to turn the conversation onto Obama and blame anything and everything on him. For example, he had one of his goons make a press statement saying that Obama was responsible for the Russian investigation, that it was a year-long attempt by Obama at a coup. The fact that they are trying to cover up for Trump is just as bad as what it is looking like Trump did alongside Epstein, I mean these people are seriously needing to take a step back and look at what they are doing, covering up for a paedophile is not something anyone should want to be known for.
Hence why earlier I questioned how anyone is ever going to be satisfied over Epstein "files" (which aren't a client list, but basically sound like all evidence and interview data collected in the course of investigation and prosecution of Epstein).
It does imply that the statements made by various departments including FBI going "there is no list"... really was "the devil is in the detail of the way it's said, there is no physical list *winky face*... but that doesn't mean you couldn't collate all information to generate a web of individuals known -- oops lets not say that bit" .
E.g:
- You expect evidence that Trump molests children to come out of this by the sound of it; I assume anything less and you'd view as a cover up?
- MAGA base expects to be able to read any and all files collected by various legal agencies during the investigation (un-redacted) as that's how they interpret what they've been told about "release the files" during the campaign. They're expecting to find a cabal of the elite being protected by the Govt (whether Democrat or, now, Republican) and all communication between them. If they don't, they'll likely think it's still a cover up - despite the huge amount of privacy laws being violated by being able to read all information, rather than all *evidence*.
- Everyone else probably knew it'd be a big lie and nothing would be released, but since it's gathering momentum and sufficient "oh aye" style questions raising eyebrows but being denied in the face of contradictory evidence, now want to know what/why (no smoke without fire, why are they so against releasing it now?) and they'll be expecting *something* of a revelation.
And then also the Democrats pushing as well -- they had years in which to do this, but didn't. So unless there really is a sort of cabal coverup (i.e. all this information collected, we didn't look for wider issues/involvement, just specifically upon Epstein and the accusers, so we don't find anything that incriminates "the powerful") they're just capitalising on the fact that whipping up the MAGA base can only be great capital for them as the Republican's fanatic MAGA base cracks and possibly turns against the Republicans?
And then there's the actual issue of releasing all material gathered in an investigation. If that precedent gets set, then privacy laws are redundant... Was the investigation originally so narrow that they didn't check for any other crimes/associations, but instead just upon what fed into the 6 accusers and Epstein? But releasing *everything* would be... one hell of a weird precedent. Yet if they *don't* release everything, then see the above "cover up!" views. Even if they do release everything, and there's nothing to meet what people want to find out, it's cover up
So how can anyone ever be satisfied with any outcome? Going to be an interesting few months though as this will rumble on and on won't it, and it definitely looks like it's damaging Trump and probably causing a lot of strain within the party/leadership. Can only be a good thing. Just enjoying seeing him squirm and weasel. He promised this stuff, make him live up to it
BTW apparently the new South Park series episode is a corker.
Anyway, here's a more "normalised" viewpoint from across the UK side, from "The Rest is Politics" Podcast of Alastair and Rory.
https://youtu.be/AkGQ4oqmLGg?t=115
The timestamp is to skip the opening 2 min advert etc. Bearing in mind, as Alastair will say, "I'm in the little book..." - he knew Ghislane "very well".
How curious. Ah, the d is so small they dont feel it, i think now i get it 
