Trump Presidency

[Observe]

I wont consider that good news. It pains me to see, that someone is in charge of public health, who is lacking a basic understanding how our immune system works

It pains me, that those who supposedly possess greater understanding, have led the US into a state of widespread chronic disease. RFK aims to change that. I say, more power to him. It is time to take Americas health away from the moneyed interests of drug companies and into the hands of people who actually prioritize health over profits.

[clakclak]

I wont consider that good news. It pains me to see, that someone is in charge of public health, who is lacking a basic understanding how our immune system works

It pains me, that those who supposedly possess greater understanding, have led the US into a state of widespread chronic disease. RFK aims to change that. I say, more power to him. It is time to take Americas health away from the moneyed interests of drug companies and into the hands of people who actually prioritize health over profits.

Yeah, we know the idea here. Kill your kids to own the libs. Don't worry, it is working allready. Once again proof that Republicans don't care the least bit about children once they are born.

On a different note.

Dodge.gov is now live. Correct me if I am wrong, but this is the first offical american government website not only embedding X links, but almost completely based on the private company platform with multiple inclusions of the X logo on it. The boundries between private companies and the government are eroding fast.

Edit: It seems that Elon Musk is now also in charge of handling Americas foreign affairs. Here he is conducting talks with Indian prime minister Modi on behalf of the American people.

[Warenwolf]

I wont consider that good news. It pains me to see, that someone is in charge of public health, who is lacking a basic understanding how our immune system works

It pains me, that those who supposedly possess greater understanding, have led the US into a state of widespread chronic disease. RFK aims to change that. I say, more power to him. It is time to take Americas health away from the moneyed interests of drug companies and into the hands of people who actually prioritize health over profits.

How is that supposed to happen when your Trump is establishing blatant oligarchy? If you kill of your regulatory bodies who exactly is going to keep the drug companies in check?
USA has already had weak regulatory traditions (look at how chicken epidemic has outsized influence on egg production in USA compared to most countries in the world) and with further erosion of these capabilities it is hard to see how you will pull of improvements of any kind. The existing problem (which are real and need fixing) will get even worse.

[Observe]

If you kill of your regulatory bodies who exactly is going to keep the drug companies in check?

Clearly, those oversight and regulatory bodies aren't doing their job, else we wouldn't have the health crisis that we have. Are you suggesting (I don't think you are), that we should just continue trying to drug our way to health, while continuing to pour toxic chemicals down our throats?

With all our so-called science-based medical systems, we continue to get sicker and sicker, while spending more than any other country on 'health care'. I don't think the problem is in the science, but rather in the corporate interests that twist the science to their profit benefit.

Those institutions don't necessarily need to be 'killed', but they certainly do need a good shake up, so that they start serving the people the way they were intended, without corruption. Perhaps they aren't as corrupt as Kennedy says, but you can be sure that he will be examining his new-found agencies very closely.

[fiksal]

Less regulation and less science will never make Americans healthier, while in addition screwing people on health insurance. Just sicker, more poor and delusional.

In 3 years Americans will be giving record bonuses to drug, vitamin and "alternative" "medicine" companies, while skipping on preventative medicine, vaccine and spreading preventable diseases.

While praising Trump.

I'll need to bookmark my prediction.

[Observe]

Less regulation and less science will never make Americans healthier, while in addition screwing people on health insurance. Just sicker, more poor and delusional.

This is what RFK Jr. says:

I'm not going to let the food industry and the pharmaceutical industry run health policy anymore. We're going to turn health policy over to people who are actually concerned with public health.

We shall see.

[Warenwolf]

If you kill of your regulatory bodies who exactly is going to keep the drug companies in check?

Clearly, those oversight and regulatory bodies aren't doing their job, else we wouldn't have the health crisis that we have. Are you suggesting (I don't think you are), that we should just continue trying to drug our way to health, while continuing to pour toxic chemicals down our throats?

With all our so-called science-based medical systems, we continue to get sicker and sicker, while spending more than any other country on 'health care'. I don't think the problem is in the science, but rather in the corporate interests that twist the science to their profit benefit.

Those institutions don't necessarily need to be 'killed', but they certainly do need a good shake up, so that they start serving the people the way they were intended, without corruption. Perhaps they aren't as corrupt as Kennedy says, but you can be sure that he will be examining his new-found agencies very closely.

Are you aware that this issues are not unique American experience and may have been tackled by other nations before? You don't dismantle a organization - you reform it. Worked out for plenty of countries out there...

With all our so-called science-based medical systems, we continue to get sicker and sicker, while spending more than any other country on 'health care'. I don't think the problem is in the science, but rather in the corporate interests that twist the science to their profit benefit.

This is the effect of weak food regulations coupled with a lack of free healthcare. For example, the maximum allowed salt content in food in the U.S. is higher than in many other countries. Salt accelerates and exacerbates heart-related health issues. If someone cannot afford to see a doctor for something as seemingly minor as a headache that does not go away - potentially caused by high blood pressure - then, a few years down the road, they may develop serious heart problems.

However, attempting to further regulate the food industry threatens the bottom line of powerful lobbying groups. So far, I agree with you - corporate interests are closely tied to political interests, especially where corporations operate and provide jobs.
HOWEVER - in the current U.S. political system, addressing this problem would require implementing free healthcare (or at least expanding Medicaid dramatically). But free healthcare alone is ineffective without improved food regulations, stricter industrial standards and an education system that teaches children about healthy nutrition no matter where in the country they live and which social strata they belong to. (This is not a complete list in any way).

Trump and his allies will not address this issue. Project 2025 specifically aims to eliminate, among other things, Healthy School Meals for All policies, weaken things like baby formula regulations and remove U.S. dietary guidelines. Further decentralization of education and the dismantling of the Department of Education are ongoing processes. If you don’t see how this aids "corporate interests that twist science for profit," or at least compounds the problem then we may have reached an impasse in this discussion.

[Chips]

With all our so-called science-based medical systems, we continue to get sicker and sicker, while spending more than any other country on 'health care'. I don't think the problem is in the science, but rather in the corporate interests that twist the science to their profit benefit.

Those institutions don't necessarily need to be 'killed', but they certainly do need a good shake up, so that they start serving the people the way they were intended, without corruption. Perhaps they aren't as corrupt as Kennedy says, but you can be sure that he will be examining his new-found agencies very closely.

Just a quick question; "we continue to get sicker and sicker" - by sicker and sicker, what exactly are the sicknesses that you're referring to? I mean, it must be a quantifiable and measurable thing right? So what are they?

[matthewfarmery]

And lets not forgot that Trump pretty much ignored COVID, Your forgetting Observe, plenty of Americans died due to this, it was the Biden Administration, that tried to rectify and push back on the virus. Now, with Trump back in charge, you really think if there was another pandemic, Trump and RFK will do anything? No, is the answer to that. One is clueless, while the other is a monster.

I don't see how RFK will make things better, he is totally clueless. America will not get healthier under this administration. If there was one winner, it will be the diseases which will make a triumphant return. Trump and RFK will do nothing about it. You say that America is getting sickier, well, your forgetting that COVID happened under Trump's watch, and your forgetting how he handled that. It;s clear that the Senate don't give a damn about the welfare of America. or the health of every citizen. Otherwise, RFK would have been blocked.

At the end of the day, Trump and co will do the most damage.

[mr.WHO]

I hate to be that guy, but out of all things, COVID is the last thing that should be mentioned when speaking about any credibility or "trust muh holy science".

or do you think it was very scientific to have "hug the chinese" action when Trump said that the virus escaped from Wuhan?

or was it very scientific to claim racism when Trump shut down air traffic from China?

or was it scientific to refuse to get vacine, if it would be deployed by Trump "operation warp speed"?

or was it scientific to claim that those demonstration and riot aimed at Trump doesn't spread COVID, but any other demonstrations spread it surely?

or was it scientific that all of those flipped the moment Trump left and Biden came into office?



You might say RFK is a clown, but he might be the saddest clown in the circus.

If the next pandemic hit, the circus will continue no matter which side will be at the helm - there is no science, only performative feelings for a target audience.
There is no adults in the room, because no sane adult would want to have anything with this sh*tshow politics.

[matthewfarmery]

As things can't get any more stupid,

Hundreds Laid Off at Nuclear Weapons Agency

“Hundreds of staff at the agency responsible for maintaining the U.S. nuclear stockpile were fired Thursday in the wave of mass Trump administration terminations,” ABC News reports.

Might as well hand the nuke codes over to Russia, as things going as they are, America won't be able to defend anyone. Seriously, things are going to keep on getting worse.

And then there is this

Thousands Laid Off at Health Agencies

Stat: “Senior officials were informed in meetings Friday morning that roughly 5,200 people on probationary employment — recent hires — across agencies including the National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will be fired that afternoon.”

How is that going to make America healthier? it won't. By this rate, even RFK won't be doing much, or will have much of an agency to govern will he?

[Chips]

How is that going to make America healthier? it won't. By this rate, even RFK won't be doing much, or will have much of an agency to govern will he?

It all depends what their actual jobs were; they were new hires - to replace old, to address recent (now/soon cancelled) campaigns, to be deployed elsewhere in the world, to provide training in third world countries, to continue manning extension campaigns that are scrapped, to front awareness campaigns by distributing leaflets while wearing pink bibs??!

There's going to be more info behind everything. Otherwise, the natural extrapolation is if everyone was employed by the agencies, healthcare would be absolutely at its peak!

A lot do seem to be "probationary" (new) hirings being fired across the board? A case of "lets go over the reasons for any new hirings by getting rid..." - after all, they're the least capable at present, so, it could be worse; get rid of the fully competent ones!

[fiksal]

There is no adults in the room, because no sane adult would want to have anything with this sh*tshow politics.

It's well known that Republicans think COVID is basically a myth, still! Trump himself intentionally spread known misinformation, and who knows how many that killed. During Trump, US didnt even get to talk about actual science. Some things are just flat out lies.

Can Democrats get anti vaccine politicians at the helm? Sure, they are not immune to that. It's just on Democratic side, being anti vaccine is currently seen as a bad thing, and on Republican side, as a good thing. Again, we dont even get to talk about science of things, because we cant get passed a question whether or not diseases are bad.

If I were to bet, I still bet on Democrats until someone more interesting comes around.

[mr.WHO]

It's well known that Republicans think COVID is basically a myth, still! Trump himself intentionally spread known misinformation, and who knows how many that killed. During Trump, US didnt even get to talk about actual science. Some things are just flat out lies.

Can Democrats get anti vaccine politicians at the helm? Sure, they are not immune to that. It's just on Democratic side, being anti vaccine is currently seen as a bad thing, and on Republican side, as a good thing. Again, we dont even get to talk about science of things, because we cant get passed a question whether or not diseases are bad.

If I were to bet, I still bet on Democrats until someone more interesting comes around.

Democrats acting like a clowns in early stages of COVID played huge part in Republican mimicking clown show later on - stupidity is as contagious as flu.
Neither Trump, nor Biden really had any chance to stop this, since they were in the circus from the start.

In paralel reality, probably only person who had a chance to stop this would be Fauci - he had knowledge, age and experience for this - if he would stand up to task and said to Democrats to cut theatrics, he would then got credibility and trust to do the same against Republicans. He could save a couple hundred thousands lives more with this.
Instead, he became "I am the scienceTM" *

*as long as science works in mysterious and conveniently selective way


If you ever find a politician who would be capable to transcend above this shit, that would be a good person to consider for 2028, no matter if Democrat, Republican or Independent.

[fiksal]

this would be Fauci - he had knowledge, age and experience for this - if he would stand up to task and said to Democrats to cut theatrics, he would then got credibility and trust to do the same against Republicans. He could save a couple hundred thousands lives more with this.
Instead, he became "I am the scienceTM" *

his appointment had indeed placed him to be a key person. I am not sure that he didnt do the job he was appointed, do you have a specific example I do not recall?

If you ever find a politician who would be capable to transcend above this shit, that would be a good person to consider for 2028, no matter if Democrat, Republican or Independent.

I do not have such name. I think the American system intentionally and by design pushes those people away from higher ranks.

[mr.WHO]

his appointment had indeed placed him to be a key person. I am not sure that he didnt do the job he was appointed, do you have a specific example I do not recall?

I cannot recall him complaining or condeming Democrat theatrics in first few months of COVID...but it might not even be his inaction directly.

Perhabs he did say something to Democrats early on, but back then, it was crazy political/media environment - hypotetically, if he said something, his comments might have been "too boring" or "too symmetrist" to get attention.
Then buried with deboosting, while later on boosting other more antagonizing comments, to fit the narrative.

At some point you can't even be sure, if you actually know the person, or just the skewed media framing.
It's done to everyone - Fauci, Biden, Trump, RFK.


Fauci had the knowledge and experience, but in the end he had no political power.
RFK has no knowledge and experience, but has political power.

The outcome is not set in stone - success or failure is defined by multiple factors, sometimes by dumb luck or bad luck.


It's like saying the surgeon will be better for Hospital Director than accountant and both surgeon/accountant would be better than car salesman - it's generalization and simplification.

I do not have such name. I think the American system intentionally and by design pushes those people away from higher ranks.

This one I can agree is a systemic issue, not only with US, but in politics everywhere.

Modern media doesn't help either, bots and AI will murky the water even more.

As things can't get any more stupid,

Hundreds Laid Off at Nuclear Weapons Agency

“Hundreds of staff at the agency responsible for maintaining the U.S. nuclear stockpile were fired Thursday in the wave of mass Trump administration terminations,” ABC News reports.

Might as well hand the nuke codes over to Russia, as things going as they are, America won't be able to defend anyone. Seriously, things are going to keep on getting worse.

This is just a joke, but what if Russian stockpile is defunct due to corruption, Chinese stockpile is fake due to corruption and now Trump/Musk would do the same with US stockpile - somehow from sheer stupidity we would attain Nuclear disarmement more effective than all treaties ever made.

That' wouldn't be the craziest event in this decade, just a normal friday of 2024.

[clakclak]

Elon Musk finally did something potentially good, by leaking classified information on a American intelligence agency (the National Reconnaissance Office). Now this is good, from my perspective, because I am not American and with America becoming more and more hostile towards the rest of the world it is helpful if we get an inside into their intelligence activities. So I applaud Elon Musk for this move, it will certainly help other intelligence services and if not them, then it will be information the general public might find a use for. Of course it is also information that might be fairly harmful to America, but well, with all the other stuff going on I wonder if anyone cares about that anymore.

Source

[chew-ie]

Who would have thought that unqualified nerds won't do any mistakes? And as there are no layers of supervision .. well. I won't offer an oopsie her. This was bound to happen.

the website was supposed to exclude data from U.S. intelligence agencies

[mr.WHO]

I have a rather dreadful realization for people cheering what Tump and Musk are doing.


Remeber "Defund the Police?" - well, they took this stupidity, increased by the whole order of magnitude and now you're stuck with "Defund EVERYTHING".
Same logic, same justification, same delusion, just the opposite vector.

And when they will be done, Trump will just pardon everyone for everything, carte blanche for whole period, just like Biden did at the end of his term.


Current Trump blitz with 200 executive orders won't end well.
Eventually, Democrats version of Trump will get elected to do the same.
This time, it will be 20'000 executive orders (mostly written by AI) - instead of two weeks spree, it will be 2 years of just signing executive orders, daily, from early morning to late night - Democracy will turn into Idiocracy.
or maybe it aleady did, but we failed to notice.


Suddenly, I feel that EU, with it's bureacracy, slowness and lagging behind in AI field, might be slightly better suited to endure this than US.

[EGO_Aut]

Maybe in the future US will be ruled by Elon's AI. In order to distract the people, similar to Caligula in ancient Rome, a puppet is used as president who fools the people with bread and circuses.