[WIP] JaySuS Space Ships (5 + (2 x 1/2) ships) (1st version released!)

[JaySuS]

i just added some more props and i guess ill just keep it that way and start uvmapping it now

top view:
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bottom view:
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side view:
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general view:
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stat ideas:

name: ??
race: aldrin
role: combat (similiar to heavy) M6/ mid level playership (till crusader rank) / M3++ (will have to check docking first, might be too large)
shielding: larger than springblossom (SB) (3-4x 200mj)
speed: slightly slower than SB but still above 200m/s
weapons: more than SB, small choice of commonwealth weapons
turrets: ??
cargo: ??

opinions, tipps, ideas and so on are all welcome

[Zayltsin]

Your new design looks like the USMC Hammerhead from Space Above And Beyond.

Here is the Hammerhead;
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[JaySuS]

i only ever saw half an episode of that lol... was a nice one tho,
however i wouldnt say it "looks" like that ship, it has some of its features obviously like the bow wings or the edgy cockpit, however that fighter you name looks very close to the Hornet from wing commander
id say its a hornet with an x-wing cockpit, some aldrin hokuspokus and lots of my own
but well thats open for debate probably, in the end i just made that thing from scratch without looking at anything, i cant deny that my designs are heavily influenced by the stuff ive seen over the years though

[Zayltsin]

Well i like your design, and yeah i didn't mean to say it looks like the Hammerhead i did mean it had very close features.

[JaySuS]

well well well well, i textured it now

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the nasty bright red on the cockpit for example will be replaced by glow ingame, the dark red is supposed to stay

do you people thing the "dirty" version looks better than the "clean" one? i do but id like to hear your opinions

slowly it really needs a name btw... i just need to convert the normal map and prepare the scene now...hence im eagerly awaiting even more ideas on a name otherwise ill simply name it "L.I.S.A." aka Light Intelligence Seducer and Avenger ... mmh well, nah, prolly not lol... but well, maybe, maybe

[Zayltsin]

How about the Aldrin 'Ice Shark'?

Oh yeah and it looks better with the dirty effect imo, but with the name 'Ice Shark' i guess the lighter clean grey would go better.

[Vanguard3000]

I'd go with the dirty look. Aldrin's probably full of space dust from all those rocks.

[Killjaeden]

Texturing Rule Nr 1:
Always use weathered/used/dirty textures

Ship looks good, could have done with a few more details at the wings & bottom though.

This thing looks like a small corvette or oversized fighter (=bomber) ...
Propably few heavy frontweapons (MAM, CIG, IPG?)as a 'laserbomber' ?
(similar to planes like JU-87 G1; or IL-2; or A-10)

[JaySuS]

@zalytsin
nah, i dont like ice shark, doesnt fit imo... shark would theroetically fit but the boron use all those fish names yet (tho i must admit egosoft really messed the names up somehow for example by giving some argons greek mythology names and such things...)
no offense of course lol, just my opinion

@killjeden
that a good rule but doesnt always apply, make that texturing rule #3 or somin
in x games for example 90% of the ships use perfectly clean textures for whatever reason, never saw a ship wash station so far, hence a dirty ship may look out of place, however i also like the rugged up look alot more and as vanguard mentioned it makes sense, hence it stays dirty...

and ya i know you love detail... but there has to be an end to all detail eventually or nothing would ever get done, but your opinion has been noted for future projects...

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its an M3 now btw, barely fits hangar bays but hey, it fits lol...

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dunno yet if i keep the red glowing cockpit and engines,
does anyone have an idea how i can actually change the engine trail color? the number in the tships somehow doesnt show any effect at all...

i named it Autumn Rain for now... dunno, not perfect imo
dont have a story for it neither so far... ideas welcome of course

3x200mj (same as with the speed, for balancing id go with 1 or 2 but for the fun of it i want some more)
240ms (well, for me personal... for balancing id probably slow it down but i want to actually get to moon one day)
8 front guns
up and down turrets aiming forward with 1 gun each
800 cargo
price 85000 (slightly less than a springblossom)
IRE, PAC, PBE, EMPC, EEMPC, PSSC, PMAML all round
8 front guns
light commonwealth missiles and poltergeist aswell spectre terran missiles

i'll probably add another back turret as these standard "turretdummies" seem to only cover a 90° radius and not 160° like the rest and hence only aim forward and up/down but not backwards like these M6 turrets do for example

[Killjaeden]

in x games for example 90% of the ships use perfectly clean textures

Not true, Split are 99% weathered (the redish brown isn't a paintjob, it's corroded metal), and if you take a closer look at argon fighters for instance you'll see a few 'used' places.
Not so much on capitals because they use tiled textures but nevertheless they use weathered textures too.
(scratches at paranid hulls, a little bit rust on teladi textures)
It's not very obvious and pretty subtle.

and ya i know you love detail...

Detail depends on size... you planned it as a corvette and as a corvette it should have more details but for a fighter it's ok i think.
tris count fighters: ~10k
triscount corvettes: 15-20k

does anyone have an idea how i can actually change the engine trail color?

You have to make a new engine effect for your ship, and then you can change the color of it (textures)

i'll probably add another back turret as these standard "turretdummies" seem to only cover a 90° radius and not 160° like the rest and hence only aim forward and up/down but not backwards like these M6 turrets do for example

All turrets cover the same angle (180°, hemisphere)
check my guide (signature) for further descriptions on this topic

[Zayltsin]

@zalytsin
nah, i dont like ice shark, doesnt fit imo... shark would theroetically fit but the boron use all those fish names yet (tho i must admit egosoft really messed the names up somehow for example by giving some argons greek mythology names and such things...)
no offense of course lol, just my opinion

None taken.

But seeing the ship ingame, it really does look like a modern day fighter, so i guess you could call it the Aldrin 'Mig', or another modern day fighter name as it would prob suit it.

[JaySuS]

@enigne trail
oh noes, that means i need to modify that effects.txt... which will result in annoying conflicts and make merging mods even more annoying , ill prolly just change the color of the models glow then... (thats why i dont make custom turrets, guns, etc; tships is worse enough imo)

@turret
oh, lol, thats a r******* arc of action for the "normal" turretdummy
wouldnt have thought its supposed to aim through the floor lol, but well, ill just place it like you did in that tutorial then, feels really idiotic but ok, if it works...

@Zalytsin
Mig wouldnt fit cause its the acronym of the inventor/engineer/conglomerat who designed them (Mikojan-Gurewitsch), somin like F-77 would work tho or even Autumn Rain Fulcrum or somin though every ship in X3 can go Fulcrum and not just the mig-29
but youre right it looks a bit like an experimental fighter of the 70ties or somin
anyway ill go with Autumn Rain now, i like it and it fits the Springblossom naming sheme, well ok spitfyre doesnt fit that theme but thats one ugly ship anyway and i never use it so... well... screw the spitfyre

btw:
my theory about the springblossom is that it was purely made as a birthday present of some kind for that chinese kid which is named on the aft, hence it doesnt fit the usual x style (looks like somin from starfox N64 imo), is overpowerd and carries such a beautiful name
if im right plz send me an xmas gift

[Vanguard3000]

btw:
my theory about the springblossom is that it was purely made as a birthday present of some kind for that chinese kid which is named on the aft, hence it doesnt fit the usual x style (looks like somin from starfox N64 imo), is overpowerd and carries such a beautiful name
if im right plz send me an xmas gift

The in-game description says they're an advancement on an older Terran ship, the Winterblossom. Someday, I'd like to try and make a Winterblossom (I figure similar to the Springblossom, but without the aft stabilizers and "ears").

[JaySuS]

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added another turret and repositioned them slightly

changed the glow a bit and added some more glowing bits, just somin subtle

also made a version without the bow wings called "Autumn Rain Raider"

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Shortly after loosing contact to Terran space the colonists of Aldrin developed a heavy strike fighter which would allow them to sleep peacefully at night. The Autumn Rain was born and soon became famous for its exploits during hostile AI raids in which it prooved itself under heavy fire.
It is most famous for saving the lives of thousands of inhabitants of the remote Mining Outpost GM-7HJ where it singlehandedly took out 3 AI corvettes and smiled while doing so.

Due to the harsh environment Aldrin offeres the ship had to be fitted with heavy shielding to withstand the space dust aswell as a fast engine which allows it to travel between Aldrin stations in no time.

After the lost Aldrin colonies were rediscovered and diplomatic aswell as trade connections were established the Autumn Rain was refitted to be able to use commonwealth weapons as to give it the ability to scout into deep space and survive on its own over prolonged periods.

It's vast shielding, incredible speed and manouverabilty might astonish the usual commonwealth pilot but so will the pricetag.

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"Aldrin Autumn Rain"

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"Aldrin Autumn Rain Raider"
less shielding, less weapon energy, more speed

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[JaySuS]

@vanguard
i just realize that i never read SB's description
winterblossom sounds cool too tho id have renamed it to somin like Winter Cold, Winter Ice, Winter Storm, or somin... blossoms and spring fit, there are few in winter though one might call ice crystals blossoms of some kind.

oh, the winterblossom seems to have been the first spaceship of mankind that carried humans beyond the sol system...

id like to see that somewhere, in a museum or somin maybe
gogo create it!

[em3e3]

If it is an Aldrin M3+ Heavy Fighter (which, judging by the cockpit, it should be), I think 3x200MJ shields is a bit much. Stats-wise, it should lie between the Spitfyre and Springblossom.

[JaySuS]

mmh,
well maybe youre right... 7x25 for the raider and 10x25 for the normal? keep in mind that its rather large for a fighter and terran ships have around 6x25 for "normal" sized fighters yet. Additionally ist supposed to be a corvette killer hunter till you reach crusader rank and hence needs some heavy defense.
Since Aldrin only has 2 ships to offer anyway i really woulndt say that these two create a lore base like for example split or teladi do (split = fast, teladi = slow) and these lore-basics are more or less getting softened up with ships like the kestrel yet. This ship is simply like the ferrari under space ships, one the gals will fall for , nothing ordinary like a blend (irony) Springblossom.

[Zayltsin]

Ohh very nice, and yeah that name goes with the ship ryther nicely

[JaySuS]

aight, after my engineers told me that fuel is too expensive to waste i had to come up with new ways of space travel, for now im toying round with solar sails, not perfect but they could be an nice addon to conventional drives if enough suns are near

somin called UFT or UFB in reminiscence of the good ol 50ties UFO but with sails
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and a more sofisticated draft of an alien design
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both are just drafts for childish giggles and shape finding, nothing serious so far

[StormMagi]

The second reminds me of a Boron ship, maybe a TP class.