Message for Egosoft - How to fix your game 2013 Edition !

[Demongornot]

This topic is for Egosoft team.

So, here we are, X Rebirth is released since almost 2 day, and the forum is full on complain...
Do you think that people are complaining for nothing ? Well sometime yes, but look at your forum...

I will explain what is the biggest failure, what people expect to be done, HOW they expect it to be done...Cause with your game you are gone far away from community expectation and why most of the idea that people complain about is bad idea...

I will explain it in a highly criticism way but i don't want to be rude, so if i point some humor in it, its normal, but it don't mean that this is not serious...

I always do wall of texts, so rather than describe everything in a single topic, i will make a topic per subject for avoid one of the biggest wall of text of the history, and i know that you don't like wall of text...But sadly most of the time people that write wall of text have a lot of things to say and it is sometime the most important post of the topic...


So, you have not only make bad things, you have do nice sing also, your game is a success...At lease for the launch, but my advise to you its to avoid to spend your money and start to rest now...Cause if you do nothing you will begin to have a lot of campaign and other petitions for be refund...

I'm not a stupid one that think he know everything, i'm inventor and its part of my job to understand what is possible, what is not, what is useless and what people want and will like to have.

This is way i will not ask for feature that can be modded, but don't think that anything i will say its optional, you will create a huge rebellion and probably have to do a massive refund if you do nothing with your game...
And i think with bug fixing you must do from this your priority, way more priority than any other feature you have planed from the 1.0 to the 2.0...
Of course a lot of things can be done though mods, but a lot can't or don't have to or will broke the game/cause a bench of bugs if its is done with the limited possibility that we have through mods.

And by the way...And cause i know how commercial product work, ALL my idea will change the game WITHOUT force anyone here to change how they actually play, it mean that it will give choices without too much the "make it optional" aspect...
And anyway between a broken game where some things don't work and the fact that you can release a feature without spend all your time to test it and give thing that will...Maybe work, its way better than a missing thing or something that don't work.
I know you don't like the "make it optional" cause its cause you to test over and over the same features, but damn it we will ALL be happy to get this feature even if their are NOT tested at all and that WE send you bug report rather than get a game like this...
Anyway it CAN'T be worst.


So point per point, not in priority order...



First thing that people complain about (not the top one)...The voice over :

Yes no link for this...This is not really the best voice over i have ever hear, but we can't blame you about it...It is not you that have do it, you have paid people that have do a bad job...And its still better than the previous game for voices...


The graphics :
http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... 53#4203753


The interface :
http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... 51#4203751


The AI :
http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... 56#4203756


The AI command :
http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... 58#4203758


General game features :
http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... 63#4203763


The Controls :
http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... 68#4203768


I think everyone will agree with the fact that all things i have describe in this different topic is important to fix, popular request and top priority.
And by the way it will make your game more popular and WAY MORE people will buy it, i can't count how many people i have see that refuse to buy the game cause of this...

I think everyone (except the gamepad retard that are too stupid to understand the word "complexity" and "freedom", the kind of people that buy COD and are happy with how the game is...) wait after you for this !

Thanks to not forget people that have give you enough money in the past to lets you build them this new game !

[Demongornot]

NPC, Stations and Minigames !

Well Egosoft...I have new idea for you for fix the game :

First thing first, like i have already say with my other post, complexity must be back, that include REAL ship and fleet management with freight transfer, discount like now but ALSO the old trading system back...

A lot of people don't like walking around and repetitive stations/NPC, but it don't mean that it should be delete, just give an alternative.

Like say in this video :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxUx96-6 ... e=youtu.be

The docking system is a pain and for majority station walking is also a pain, and for most of the stations we can physically see the docking area...
So what now ?
Possibility to MANUALLY dock, it include "auto dock" like X3 and FULL MANUAL one, how to do it ?
For auto dock, well we just flight to any hangar, hit comm button and ask for docking, we just put the ship close enough of a position, and a giant "arm" catch the ship and put it to a secure position on the outside of the station/open hangar, like previously (with the arm in +), the mars will put our ship into the docking position where others "arms" will secure the ship, if it don't use a long animation, people will like it, it is realistic and in general people like watch big mechanic things like a giant automated arm bigger than our ship !

If we get close enough of the station docking port, the HUD show some information about ship position, inclinations and position, the player can if he want put the ship in the perfect docking position, he ask for docking and no big arm will come, he will just get the ship secure on the dock position.

Dock will permit to lets NPC get on board, trade and do things like this that require physical access between station and the ship.
We can call any NPC on the station, but we can also without docking from outside, but for some things like get people on board or transfer crew/freight we can't...Logic except with "transporter device" !
If we want we can LAND on station (not the same thing than dock) it mean do exactly the SAME thing than actually for those who like land on stations...

It mean : everyone will be happy with my idea, and anyway if we can remotely talk to Yisha from the station, their is no reason why we can't talk to NPC inside the station on the same way.
Of course back of the regular trading in plus of the actual "mini" trading, capital ship can simply use the regular trading like X3 but can also do the discount one.

NPC and Stations issue fixed...
Now about minigames...

Well first, the highway mini game, even if jump drive or "Level 2" boost will be better, highway need a fix !
The mini game is horrible, why EVERY ship including the bigger one are faster than us ? logic fail...

How to fix that :
When we push the Boost button the shield are drained really slowly, when we accelerate with the boost we keep our speed until we press the slow down button, engine to 0 will make us leave the highway, the real mini game will be when we get stuck behind a slower ship than our own to simply avoid him, possibility for the rare ship that still faster than us to use follow them, but if we change the lane we keep our speed !

Long range scanner :
Simply put 2 modes on the scanner, the same actual and another where when pressed the wave go out of the ship and longer we press, longer the wave travel, if we release the button the wave stop, it mean the mini game will still here, and another that use close functionality but way better will be available for those who DON'T want to do the mini game...

NPC smalltalk :
Well, keep the small talk possibility, and, for replacing it i have a really nice idea :
We can keep contact with any NPC, those that we "keep contact with" can give us their position, which station, which ship etc...
More we trade with them, more we get a discount that stay indefinitely cause we are a good/regular customer and when buy/sell more than 2 or 3 times or for more than, for example 5000 credits (that can be fast enough for not boring people or lets them without information) he will be able to give us information on discount offer and who is a nice hire, when buying/sell more than for example 10 time or for more than 15000 credits he will give us information about stations discount and nice npc to hire on others stations of the zone, and the third step if in the whole sector for the best discount and the best NPC to hire, simple limitation of time between 4 question (yes 4 cause ask for NPC and stations discount should be different).
When talking to someone we can hire (not someone advised by another NPC) while docking, he will when we ask him to show his stat show us a stat information whiting a range, it mean we know that he is for example between 3 to 7 star on 10 for this spec and 2 to 4 stars (mean that it can be 2 3 or 4 and not just 3) to 10 for this spec, when landing on stations and meet them, get more accurate information, like 50% more but only get the real skill information when recommended by another NPC, and by the way when recommended by another NPC he will say : "Ho ! As i see we have a common friend, well for you i will lower my prices" and we can hire him for lower price depending of how well we know the NPC that recommended him to us.



So Egosoft, i have give you all the idea you can ever need for fix the game in all my "Message for Egosoft" topic, some of them allow fast and low resource consuming/light modification to be ready.

Please Egosoft don't wast the opportunity to really listen to your community this time, this is not too late for fix the game !

[Hardcard]

LOL now I understand why your English is so bad...you are French! No offence, I thought you were Spanish, but then I saw some "et" instead of "and"... I'm Spanish, by the way.

Don't waste your time. Egosoft knows all this, they will end up doing whatever pleases them and it will be up to modders and players to finish (and improve) this unfinished game.

[Demongornot]

LOL now I understand why your English is so bad...you are French! No offence, I thought you were Spanish, but then I saw some "et" instead of "and"... I'm Spanish, by the way.

Don't waste your time. Egosoft knows all this, they will end up doing whatever pleases them and it will be up to modders and players to finish (and improve) this unfinished game.

Np, and i'm also dyslexic...

And i'll see but if the more important thing are not done, or badly done i will ask for a refund and if they refuse i will launch a petition for those who want to be refund.
The funny part is that they are happy with 10 000 customers, Star Citizen will be release in one year or maybe more and already have 300 000 customers 301,936 and with an average of 90$ per people they get right now 27,592,097$ from it...
Why ? cause they REALLY listen their community unlike Egosoft pretend to do...
Egosoft should probably reach something like 50 000 customers only with full capital ship commanding system like i have described cause people LIKE it, that why Star Citizen handle it and even handle it in a advanced way...WILL handle cause tis not yet done...
By the way i'm sure now their is only 6000 people playing the game, and a lot have already ask a refund...
So the funny part is that if their should be smart enough to listen to their community, they will reach 10 time more customer than right now, why ? cause if the community want something well it mean that the most interested people want it, and all people susceptible to like this kind of game will also want it...But they have try to attract the wrong customers and forget the important people, so yes, its a fail, and i'm sure that the only thing that make them reach 10 000 customers its the steam ads...
Nothing else !

And by the way the things i have described are the more important and its include bug fixing and over the fact that its not the community that have to do it, what i have write, ALL the list can't be done by modders, or can't be done without bench of issue or even can't be done without a small basis from devs...
That why this list is important, its the more demanded/missings things and that can't be fixed by ourselves.

Their is ONLY ONE chance that can lets us fix the game by ourselves, the more smartest thing that Egosoft can do to save his reputation, his game series and even themselves (cause i can't see now who will want to finance them and they have probably not enough money to wait more than one year while creating a game...)...
This action will be to release the source code of the game to the community...

Anyway pirate have already (and easily) break through game security like they always do, so except fix the game with 20 time more man power than they will never have lets people create a NICE game, i don't see what can possibly happen, anyway except changes that comunity modders can do, i don't see who will want to "steal" their work and anyway if someone really like he will break through their server to take the source code, even Rockstar was not able to prevent people from access to their source code for GTA 5...

So the last real big things that Egosoft can do if they want to save themselves its to release source code, and they will probably earn more money through the unofficial patch and mods that will attract more customers and even someone using some part of the game (i personally think that their is nothing really interesting to take) to create another game different from X Series on a huge DLC form, Egosoft will of course get money if the guy want to sell his work under the agreement of Egosoft...

But they are not that smart, the huge failure and the ridiculous work 100% against everything what people wanted prove it...
The only thing that i find nice next to previous game is the graphics, and it depend on certain conditions...

[Brandon49]

Well... the list of problems seems to cover pretty well every aspect of this game.

Not much left to say is there really....

[Foilpact]

LOL now I understand why your English is so bad...you are French! No offence, I thought you were Spanish, but then I saw some "et" instead of "and"... I'm Spanish, by the way.

Don't waste your time. Egosoft knows all this, they will end up doing whatever pleases them and it will be up to modders and players to finish (and improve) this unfinished game.

Ah and you know all this from the 2 hours you have been signed up here?

What about all the other games released by Egosoft that got fixed up for free and the loads of free content included also over time? Forget about them or do you not really know what you are talking about?

[DaWilko]

Thank you for putting all these well thought out posts in one place. Here's hoping the Devs are going to see it and read your good work.

[Demongornot]

Well... the list of problems seems to cover pretty well every aspect of this game.

Not much left to say is there really....

Thrust me this is only the biggest issue here, i can make 10 or even 20 time bigger topic (and they are already all wall of texts) if i start to talk about various bugs and all the small aspect and ran into details of things that are not correct.
And to be honest, their is not a single aspect of the game that don't need to be completely review except maybe graphics in space/effect (and i can make 2 wall of text style topic to describe the error that) and the soundtrack.

+1 Foilpact, but this time, regarding how far away from community, the lie and too deep commercial aspect, i don't think they will still do the same, they have changed and not in good...

@DaWilko
Your Welcome, i have the possibility, the time and i'm crazy enough to send a whole night to write all this wall of text, so this is my duty to do it !

[TheRealBix]

I'm totally agree with you, on everything (really..).

The fact is, even with all you've described, you've ONLY covered the most basic things to fix/add. That is really terrifying and is also why i'm more and more feeling pessimistic about this game.

I've tried to play it, I even forced myself to play it, forced myself to like it (believe me, I also tried to create small mods to make it more pleasant/playable).
But now I give up. I can't bring myself to play it again so I'm scared to actually uninstall it (Yes I'm a fan of the X series and I want to stay it).
The last patches didn't brought us what we were expecting.

And because i'm going to cry if I stay on this forum, i'll now go to sleep and dream about a future X4 and Star Citizen..


And many thanks for your hard descriptions, I really hope Egosoft has or will read all of it, and more important APPLY all of it.

[Alan Phipps]

Please do not resurrect threads from game release date after all the updates released since.