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Capture only ships?

Post by Cactus-Soup » Fri, 5. Jun 09, 18:22

I think I have a list here of everything that can't be bought in shipyards and thus should be capture only. That said, knowing this game it'll have some clever excuse about how some of these are unclaimable. To save myself the eventual headache of trying to get them (and so new players can have a revised version of this list), could you please tell me which of these are unclaimable?

Firstly the ships that would bail:

M5:
Argon Arrow
Argon Discoverer Advanced
Argon Starburst
ATF Valkyrie
Kha'ak Scout
Pirate Harrier
Pirate Harrier Hauler
Pirate Harrier Raider
Pirate Harrier Vanguard
Pirate Kestrel
Split Jaguar Enhanced
Teladi Harrier Sentinel
Teladi Kestrel Advanced
Terran Keris
Xenon N
Yaki Fujin
Yaki Fujin Raider
Yaki Fujin Sentinel

M4:
Argon Buster Sentinel
Argon Elite Enhanced
ATF Mjollnir
Boron Mako Enhanced
Boron Mako Raider
Kha'ak Interceptor
OTAS Eurus
Paranid Pericles Enhanced
Paranid Periclese Sentinel
Pirate Buster
Pirate Buster Hauler
Pirate Buzzard
Pirate Buzzard Vanguard
Pirate Elite
Pirate Scorpion
Split Scorpion Prototype
Split Scorpion Raider
Teladi Buzzard Hauler
Teladi Kite Vanguard
Xenon M
Yaki Raijin
Yaki Raijin Raider
Yaki Raijin Sentinel
Yaki Tonbo

M3:
Argon Eclipse Advanced
Argon Eclipse Prototype
Argon Nova Prototype
ATF Fenrir
ATF Thor
Boron Barracuda Advanced
Boron Barracuda Prototype
Boron Skate Prototype
Goner Ranger
Kha'ak Cluster
Kha'ak Fighter
OTAS Notus Hauler
OTAS Venti
Paranid Medusa Prototype
Paranid Perseus Advanced
Pirate Blastclaw
Pirate Blastclaw Prototype
Pirate Eclipse
Pirate Eclipse Advanced
Pirate Falcon
Pirate Falcon Vanguard
Pirate Kea
Pirate Nova
Pirate Nova Raider
Split Chimera Enhanced
Split Mamba Advanced
Split Mamba Sentinel
Teladi Falcon Prototype
Teladi Falcon Sentinel
Teladi Kea Enhanced
Xenon Unknown Object
Xenon L
Xenon LX
Yaki Susanowa
Yaki Susanowa Hauler
Yaki Susanowa Prototype
Yaki Susanowa Raider
Yaki Tenjin

TP:
Argon Express Advanced
Argon Express Hauler
Split Iguana Vanguard
Teladi Toucan Hauler
Teladi Toucan Prototype

TS:
Argon Mercury Enhanced
Argon Mercury Prototype
Boron Dolphin Enhanced
Paranid Demeter Prototype
Pirate Pirate Ship
Teladi Vulture Prototype

(Note, due to interesting circumstances, I have no data on what the Yaki shipyard sails, so that's something else to look at.)

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Post by Cactus-Soup » Fri, 5. Jun 09, 18:29

And the ones that you'll need a marine team for:

TM:
Pirate Caravel
Yaki Chokaro

TL:
Argon Civilian Vessel Hauler
Argon Starliner Hauler
Argon Troop Training Ship Hauler
Goner Ozias
Pirate Mobile Pirate Station
Pirate Mobile Pirate Base Hauler
Terran Atmospheric Lifter
Yaki Mobile Pirate Station
Yaki Ryu

M6:
Argon Military Transport
Argon Centaur Heavy Prot.
ATF Vidar
ATF Vali
Goner Truelight Seeker
Kha'ak Corvette
Paranid Hyperion Vanguard
Pirate Centaur
Pirate Marauder Hauler
Pirate Osprey
Yaki Washi Hauler

M7(M):
Argon Griffon
ATF Aegir
OTAS Astraeus Hauler
Paranid Agamemnon
Pirate Carrack
Teladi Tern Sentinel
Yaki Akurei Hauler
Yaki Kariudo Hauler

M2:
ATF Tyr
ATF Valhalla
Kha'ak Destroyer
Pirate Brigantine
Yaki Akuma

M1:
Argon Colossus Hauler
ATF Odin
ATF Woden
Goner Aran
Goner Mobile Repair Ship
Kha'ak Carrier
Kha'ak Guardian
Kha'ak Hive Queen
Pirate Galleon
Yaki Hoshi
Yaki Shuri

And the M8 (which can bail but I had a retard moment):
Boron Marlin Hauler
OTAS Auster Hauler

And finally the unique things, which may well all be uncappable:
Goner Unidentified Object (UFO)
Kha'ak Kha'ak Cluster
Xenon Xenon Unknown Object

For all you newbie completionists out there, this should be the beginning of your hunts into rare ships.

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Post by Carlo the Curious » Fri, 5. Jun 09, 18:33

Some of those ships can be bought second-hand as well. Some others don't exist in-game.

iirc, ATF fighters won't bail.

Not sure about kha'ak, but I imagine getting a cluster to bail would be impossible in practice anyway (and you have it listed twice, btw). I think Kha'ak capitals are unboardable.

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Post by Cactus-Soup » Fri, 5. Jun 09, 18:40

Yeah, my Encyclopedia has gone kinda weird, there's tons of things listed multiple times.

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Post by Deadbeat_Spinn » Fri, 5. Jun 09, 18:52

M5:
Argon Arrow: Doesn't exist in TC as of yet.
Argon Starburst: Same as above.
ATF Valkyrie: Won't bail and I don't believe it's in the game either.
Terran Keris: This is a Fighter Drone.
Split Enhanced Jaguar: Unsure.
Teladi Advanced Kestral: Same as above.


M4:
ATF Mjollnir: Won't bail.
Split Scorpion Prototype: Unsure.


M3:
ATF Fenrir: Won't bail.
ATF Thor: Same as above.
Goner Ranger: Never have gotten this ship to bail personally.
Kha'ak Cluster: Since it's a group of ships, no. Unsure if the player can make a cluster with capped Kha'ak fighters.
OTAS: Notus Hauler: Don't think this is in the game.
OTAS Venti: I think the only way to get one is as a reward for working for OTAS.
Paranid Medusa Prototype: Only seen one (part of the merc force of Op. Final Fury, never got him to bail). I understand one the Split starts will give you this ship.
Xenon Unknown Object: This ship doesn't exist, IIRC though it was in X3:R as Sargon's personal(?) ship.


TL:
Argon Troop Training Ship Hauler: Unknown.
Goer Ozias: Unboardable.
Pirate Mobile Pirate Station: Never seen.
Pirate Mobile Pirate Base Hauler: Same as above.
Yaki Mobile Pirate Station: Same as above.


M6:
ATF Vidar: Unique ship, only aquired by doing the Terran plot.
Goner Truelight Seeker: Only aquired by doing the Goner plot, IIRC.
Kha'ak Corvette: Unboardable
Pirate Marauder Hauler: Not in game.
Yaki Washi Hauler: Same as above.


M7:
Argon Griffon: Not in game.
OTAS Astraeus Hauler: Same as above.
Teladi Tern Sentinel: Same as above.


M2:
ATF Valhalla: Not in game.
Kha'ak Destroyer: Unboardable.

M1:
ATF Woden: Not in game.
Goner Aran: Can only be found in a certain sector.
Goner Mobile Repair Ship: Not in game. Though this ship looks just like the Aran.
Kha'ak Carrier: Unboardable.
Kha'ak Guardian: Same as above.
Kha'ak Hive Queen: To my knowledge there is only one and it's plot related, so I'd say it's unboardable.


UFO: No.
Kha'ak Cluster: No.
Xenon Unknown Object: No.

Oh one other, Deca (carrier/mothership): To my knowledge there is only one and you don't get to have it.
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Post by Nacrelven » Fri, 5. Jun 09, 20:08

In my current game I'm flying a Pirate ship I've never seen before after quite some time of playing.
It's a pirate version of a split ship.
Has anybody else run across it in TC?
An M3+ fighter.
Never saw it before in 1.4 and this is the first time I see it while running 2.1.

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Post by Deadbeat_Spinn » Fri, 5. Jun 09, 20:17

Nacrelven wrote:In my current game I'm flying a Pirate ship I've never seen before after quite some time of playing.
It's a pirate version of a split ship.
Has anybody else run across it in TC?
An M3+ fighter.
Never saw it before in 1.4 and this is the first time I see it while running 2.1.
Providing a screenie, name or details of said ship could help so people can give more accurate feedback.


Edit: I'm guessing its a Chimera or Enhanced Chimera. I'm pretty sure (not posiitive though) I've seen a Pirate version of the standard one but offhand I don't think I've come across a Pirate version of the enhanced one.
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Post by Nacrelven » Fri, 5. Jun 09, 20:29

Deadbeat_Spinn wrote:
Nacrelven wrote:In my current game I'm flying a Pirate ship I've never seen before after quite some time of playing.
It's a pirate version of a split ship.
Has anybody else run across it in TC?
An M3+ fighter.
Never saw it before in 1.4 and this is the first time I see it while running 2.1.
Providing a screenie, name or details of said ship could help so people can give more accurate feedback.
Here's a picture.
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The weird thing is.
It's not listed in the M3 class ships as "pirate" in encyclopedia.
And has identical stats and looks to the Split version.
But I'm entirely sure it was a pirate ship since I had to gun down some other pirate ships it was with.
I'm starting to wonder if I've gone batty.

Edit: You're right about the Chimera part. Only I had never through a lot of days put into this game to the the level of honestly obtaining the PHQ, seen the Chimera as a pirate. But since it has identical stats I suppose pirate or split doesn't matter.
This is now just a pile of wasted posts and I should alt tab and continue playing... :P

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Post by Vandal20 » Fri, 5. Jun 09, 20:39

Looks like a Chimera of some sort. I've seen pirates using em.

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Post by Deadbeat_Spinn » Fri, 5. Jun 09, 20:42

There's nothing wrong about having questions and asking. I still find things in posts/threads that I didn't know about, having greater knowledge of things in X can prove to be rather useful.


Edit: As to the Chimera both the standard and enhanced look indentical with exception to their stats. Personally though I tend to go after the Blastclaws (both reg and proto) cause I like how they look and the proto's cargo bay is a big plus as well.
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Post by Nacrelven » Fri, 5. Jun 09, 20:54

The Blastclaw Prototypes massive cargo bay is lovely.
Though I at the moment really enjoy the Chimeras slightly faster speed and a bit higher laser battery despite the smaller cargo bay.
When I do capture a prototype I'll have some considering to do as it makes for a lovely player ships with it's good space for Ecells.

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Post by gamer993 » Sat, 6. Jun 09, 02:57

goner rangers are cappable Ive got one to bail before.
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Post by 1muvwndr » Sat, 6. Jun 09, 09:18

Deadbeat_Spinn wrote:M5:
ATF Valkyrie: Won't bail and I don't believe it's in the game either.
I'm sure I saw more than one during the Terran plot but I think it was in 1.3 or 1.4.
Split Enhanced Jaguar: Unsure.
One can be acquired during the Terran plot, another one is flying around Split sectors.
Teladi Advanced Kestral: Same as above.
Not in the game AFAIK
Split Scorpion Prototype: Unsure.
Look for Split High-Tech Traders with an M4 icon. Or you may check all fighter-iconed High-Tech Traders, you'll find many interesting ships.
Goner Ranger: Never have gotten this ship to bail personally.
Can be acquired with the corp assassination carriers exploit only AFAIK.
Kha'ak Cluster: Since it's a group of ships, no. Unsure if the player can make a cluster with capped Kha'ak fighters.
Actually there are 3 types of clusters, depending on how many ships are in. While you CAN destroy a whole cluster with a single shot (did it with IBL fire), they split apart the same moment they take non-lethal damage. Theoretically I think it is possible to make one bail (with a single shot that takes away shields and at least 13% of it's hull) but never heard of someone being able to do it.
OTAS: Notus Hauler: Don't think this is in the game.
There's one at a time in Argon space, usually tied to an OWP, Military outpost or am
n escort group (mostly tied to a normal/heavy Centaur). it's always called Argon Notus Hauler.
Kha'ak Hive Queen: To my knowledge there is only one and it's plot related, so I'd say it's unboardable.
I never saw it and I've finished FF at least twice.
Oh one other, Deca (carrier/mothership): To my knowledge there is only one and you don't get to have it.
Yep, even if you succeed in boardig it during the Terran plot (as i did bringing in a Cobra filled with experienced marines), the control is switched to the Terrans thus making you lose all the marines.

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Post by Gold Dragon » Sat, 6. Jun 09, 09:52

Altho this might have been because of a modded script, I actually did get a Goner Ranger to bail (or rather, the Xenon did. What in Blazes was a Goner doing in a Xenon Sector anyways?)...

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Post by Deadbeat_Spinn » Sat, 6. Jun 09, 13:59

Gold Dragon wrote:Altho this might have been because of a modded script, I actually did get a Goner Ranger to bail (or rather, the Xenon did. What in Blazes was a Goner doing in a Xenon Sector anyways?)...
Trying to preach to the Xenon......with disasterous results.
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