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Can someone please help me?

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If any of you guys n gals can help me, i need a small fast shooting tower, to catch the pesky small Xenon ships, i've just spent over 6.6 billion on chasing the Xenon out of 3 systems, but the tower i made, is to slow for the smaller ships, and i just haven't the time or more to the fact, knowhow on to do it, ill be most grateful indeed, thank you Daf 8)
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X4 is not an MMO and not a concurrent universe. Players will not be able to help you in that regard, like sending credits or ships or the likes.

All I can advise you is that you need to plan ahead and build up a fleet for seperate tasks: exploration, trade, defense. Apart from advise, there isn't much we can do.
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If there is nothing suitable in the Construction community viewforum.php?f=195

Then you are probably going to need beam weapons, or maybe some Boron weapons which slow the target ship down.

Pulse Laser weapons can also be good, accurate and good range https://roguey.co.uk/x4/weapons/

If you already built your "Tower", how about compliment it with an Asgard fitted with all Beams, and the slasher mod on each of them is a very good fly swatter (it will just be a bit crap versus larger enemies), a couple of these are good for going up against the VIG too.
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Build the "standard defence platforms" using closed loop production approximately 10km from the gate you wish to defend.

Simple dock with two Argon Defence modules (the 4-connector ones) either side and 5 placed vertically towards the gate you are defending. The result should look like a + sign.

L turrets should be Argon L Plasma and M turrets should be Argon M Flak. Shields should also be Argon variant (using closed loop everything must be Argon).

Back that up with some destroyers and you should be good. To avoid having to pay any attention to them I assign 8 destroyers and one battleship or carrier to defend the area. Note that if the commander of the fleet is a carrier you must set it to defend the station itself as you cannot set the fleet to defend an area (or just set one of the destroyers as the fleet leader.)

You will still get the occasional ship that might slip past but usually AI factions will clear those up. You might want to patrol your own owned sectors though and regularly check sector plots to ensure Xenon aren't trying to build a structure in the fog of war away from the gate.
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Thanks for the tips, most of what has been said I'm doing, i made the Argon tower like that, flak and plasma. but the damn things are still getting past my ships, that i have there? I hate making stuff, but ill look to make another tower, small with just beams on.
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I did make a different station for Tharka's Cascade XV Xenon gate that might be more effective but it is also vastly more expensive and uses Boron parts (so no closed loop production). Everything is set to maximum spec.

Here's a picture to give an idea of scale and layout:

https://ibb.co/pvX9q2sr

As you can see I call it Snowflake (tehe)... it doesn't let a lot past unless it comes as part of a swarm. Most things are instantly vapourised. 8)
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@Blaze1st The snowflake looks great, if it does what you say, then can i have your plan plz? I only have 3 billion left, i lost a lot of ship and have to build more, and i just cant let any into my territory, not just yet, anyway :lol:
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Not sure how to share plans but it is pretty simple. Apart from the arms to the back hosting the dock which is just standard structure pieces, it is just the ring connectors with defence platforms stuck to every single connection.

Start with one ring for the middle and put it on its side and facing the gate, then put defence modules (the 2-connection one) on each connector to that central ring. Put more rings on the end of each of these defence modules, then connect all the outer rings with the 2-connector defense modules again.

NOTE: I recommend copying the central ring each time to add the other ones to ensure it is the exact same orientation. If it is out on any axis by even a degree you will have trouble getting the outside rings to connect unless you override modules to be able to occupy the same space.

Finally attach bridge defence modules (the 3-connector ones) around all the outside connectors that remain.

The large ship piers are more for style or docking Shuyaku boarding freighters (and to make it look even more like a snowflake).

Total cost I think is in the region of 17M. For more money you could potentially keep adding further rings to make ships have to detour even further to get around it but as I recall they don't join up quite so neatly after the first outer set of rings.
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Blaze1st wrote: Fri, 11. Apr 25, 17:02 Not sure how to share plans ..
Have a look at this topic viewtopic.php?t=457430
Basicly just do the reverse of that, and export them, then upload the file somewhere to link it for people to download.
If you make a topic in the Construction community forum, you can append files to your post instead of having to upload them elsewhere.
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If you want to lock sectors down, build something like a ring gate defence or this one for superhighway/accelerators (Terran plans, though best with ARG flak/plasma). Here is a Boron one that works about the same, but is a lot more expensive due to having to rely on BOR turrets.
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DJ Daf wrote: Fri, 11. Apr 25, 16:12 i made the Argon tower like that, flak and plasma. but the damn things are still getting past my ships, that i have there? I hate making stuff, but ill look to make another tower, small with just beams on.
Thx all
Flak and plasma are really good for a slugfest but beams are a lot better at hitting ships trying to run past in travel drive.
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zakaluka wrote: Fri, 11. Apr 25, 23:32
DJ Daf wrote: Fri, 11. Apr 25, 16:12 i made the Argon tower like that, flak and plasma. but the damn things are still getting past my ships, that i have there? I hate making stuff, but ill look to make another tower, small with just beams on.
Thx all
Flak and plasma are really good for a slugfest but beams are a lot better at hitting ships trying to run past in travel drive.
The problem with beams though is they don't actually kill anything so eventually a swarm will get enough critical mass to push through. Double-edged sword just to catch a few scouts that will still probably slip through during a swarm...

I started with beams (on destroyers gate camping) but soon dropped them due to poor performance. The only exception being TER beams which are half decent but mostly when under player control.

Plasma and flak OoS has a much quicker TTK helping to quickly cut through swarms before they get out of hand.
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adeine wrote: Fri, 11. Apr 25, 21:53 If you want to lock sectors down, build something like a ring gate defence or this one for superhighway/accelerators (Terran plans, though best with ARG flak/plasma). Here is a Boron one that works about the same, but is a lot more expensive due to having to rely on BOR turrets.
Thank you so much! that's what i need, i have dl'ed them both, I'll use them where i can, cant thank you enough fella :D
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Thank you all for your help, sorry in late posting, I'm selling our house, and got to keep on top of the cleaning and keeping it tidy :lol:
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If you need a Terran solution and have the blueprints, my Teslaboom might be of use - check the link in my sig. The trick is to maximise zones of crossfire while minimising friendly fire risk. I've yet to build Collections for the other races, but as a design it is highly efficient.

Nota Bene: The Teslaboom is scalable - you can prune the Terran Disc stacks by removing pieces of the build queue, I recommend at least a stack of three Terran Discs. If loadout doesn't suit - for example wanting to use flak and plasma - then you can load up the Construction Simulator. Hit 'Confirm Changes' and then 'Force Construction' so the game will keep track of loadouts changed for you.
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Targ Collective wrote: Sat, 12. Apr 25, 10:47 If you need a Terran solution and have the blueprints, my Teslaboom might be of use - check the link in my sig. The trick is to maximise zones of crossfire while minimising friendly fire risk. I've yet to build Collections for the other races, but as a design it is highly efficient.

Nota Bene: The Teslaboom is scalable - you can prune the Terran Disc stacks by removing pieces of the build queue, I recommend at least a stack of three Terran Discs. If loadout doesn't suit - for example wanting to use flak and plasma - then you can load up the Construction Simulator. Hit 'Confirm Changes' and then 'Force Construction' so the game will keep track of loadouts changed for you.
Hello Targ, i have all your blueprints, i didn't know you could remove bits? ill give yours a go too, thank you
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adeine wrote: Fri, 11. Apr 25, 21:53 If you want to lock sectors down, build something like a ring gate defence or this one for superhighway/accelerators (Terran plans, though best with ARG flak/plasma). Here is a Boron one that works about the same, but is a lot more expensive due to having to rely on BOR turrets.
I just went in game, the plot wont go over the gate, turns red? what am i doing wrong fella?
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If you hover pieces then the pieces snapped in after will 'light up' in the editor. Right-click and you can remove just that module, or the module and connected pieces.

Please remember that building stations in-game is not for free like the Simulator. It will cost you resources, money or both, and the Teslaboom is a Terran design that needs Terran build methods.
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Plots have collision detection. They can only go so close. There's a trick for it though - resize your plot so it 'walks' closer. Some players like to build weapon arrays directly on the gates themselves.
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Targ Collective wrote: Sat, 12. Apr 25, 11:11 Plots have collision detection. They can only go so close. There's a trick for it though - resize your plot so it 'walks' closer. Some players like to build weapon arrays directly on the gates themselves.
Ah, never knew that! that's what i like about this game, I've put so many hours in, and still I'm learn something, yes that works! Thanks again Targ for all your help :D
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