Rebirth release date. - Part 2

AndrewR · Post by **AndrewR** » Mon, 25. Feb 13, 23:11

Ooh, new thread...

..."are we there yet?"

Andrew

Lord Dakier · Post by **Lord Dakier** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 01:15

GreasyBaz wrote:
X2-Illuminatus wrote:An April 1st release would be so awesome. Who doesn't like driving to their favorite game store, just to notice that it's closed as it's Easter monday...
That sounds like a perfect April 1st to me.

Steam baby, Steam!

Shrewd135 · Post by **Shrewd135** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 01:27

April 1st is known as April Fools Day... so even if it was "to be released" on that day... I wouldn't believe it.

Notchi · Post by **Notchi** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 01:46

I wonder what can we expect in next X:R news...
1) An exact targeted release date
2) Quarter in which they plan to release
3) Release in 2014 or later

Also, I hope that egosoft will explain one day how the game went from 2011 release date to don't know when in 2012, then don't know when in 2013. 2 years is a lot of time ( time enough to develop a game, much less "polish" an almost made one).

This might be a new gen console conspiracy. Xbox 720, PS4 release dates and X:R as one of the first games to come out for the said consoles. (A lot of money there). I'm hoping that some staff member got drunk, destroyed all their work and ES is too embarrassed to admit that rather than console stuff^^.

Nikola515 · Post by **Nikola515** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 02:15

Hey didn't you hear? They will release game as soon as possible

EmperorJon · Post by **EmperorJon** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 02:16

You think 2 years is enough time to write a free-form sandbox space engine, design the assets, do all the artwork, write the story, put it all together, test it, fix it, balance it, etc. for a small company like Egosoft?

Nikola515 · Post by **Nikola515** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 02:37

EmperorJon wrote:You think 2 years is enough time to write a free-form sandbox space engine, design the assets, do all the artwork, write the story, put it all together, test it, fix it, balance it, etc. for a small company like Egosoft?

I think they are working on game for almost 5 years

But still that is big job for small team....Even x3 si more complex than many today's games

Anyway they are doing good job

It's this no information thing that is making things bad

eladan · Post by **eladan** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 02:49

Nikola515 wrote:I think they are working on game for almost 5 years

While that's right, it's a bit misleading, since Egosoft clearly haven't been focusing all of their resources onto Rebirth for the entire five years. They've released Terran Conflict and Albion Prelude within that time frame, as well as various patches for both.

Notchi · Post by **Notchi** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 03:02

I'm saying that 2 years is a lot of time. They didn't start working on the game in 2011 ( but they did planned to publish it then -.- ). Star Citizen, wasteland 2, both have about 2-3 years of dev time, and they are being done by the team roughly the same size, ~20 employes.

ES usually takes 3-4 years to publish a new game. What is their dev process can be discussed in some other thread...

If you take that you have to pay for 20 employes 26k € a year on average( my estimate, college educated indie team,various seniority ) which comes to say 500k € a year ( i'm too optimistic/pessimistic with that number ?, put your own estimate + equipment and software ) . What reason would deep silver have to give them full 2 years of delay ... Usually normal delays are from 1-6 months (DN4ever excluded)

Also, if you save 5 € a week for every week that their forum quest ( which gives 3 copies of a game ), you'll probably have enough money to buy both PS4 and X:R for it.

"EGOSOFT @EGOSOFT Aug 20, 2011

X-Universe Forum Quest is underway! Win Prizes!"

eladan wrote:
Nikola515 wrote:I think they are working on game for almost 5 years
While that's right, it's a bit misleading, since Egosoft clearly haven't been focusing all of their resources onto Rebirth for the entire five years. They've released Terran Conflict and Albion Prelude within that time frame, as well as various patches for both.

If you count TC as a "distraction" then they began working on X:R in 2005, after X3:R, and not in 2008 when TC came out which gets you to 5 years...

Nikola515 · Post by **Nikola515** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 03:06

eladan wrote:
Nikola515 wrote:I think they are working on game for almost 5 years
While that's right, it's a bit misleading, since Egosoft clearly haven't been focusing all of their resources onto Rebirth for the entire five years. They've released Terran Conflict and Albion Prelude within that time frame, as well as various patches for both.

That is what i actually wanted to say

Project X Rebirth is 5 years old and they had working prototype demo when they announced game 2010 or 2011 not sure

And with their team making X3,X3TC and X3AP, plus all updates and patches...And developing XR at same time it's not easy

That's why im saying that they are doing good job and why i don't care about release date for game i just want some info(pic or video)

Sorry bad English

Zloth · Post by **Zloth** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 03:11

Toramo wrote:
Are you seriously thinking about a release in 1 month after the marketing announcement ?

I think this take more days... (i mean months in reality ...)

How much did Albion Prelude get? A week? It's a smaller game, of course, but it was still far less than you would get for something like a Mass Effect DLC.

Actually, I expect the game is already done. Before they release, though, the publishers want the developers to play through the whole game themselves, front to back. While most games only get pushed back about a week by this requirement, the "dress rehearsal" will take roughly six months to complete for Rebirth's 900 hours of gameplay.

eladan · Post by **eladan** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 03:12

Nikola515 wrote:Sorry bad English

No, that's all right. I wasn't criticising you, just clarifying for anyone else who read it.

:EDIT:

Notchi wrote:I'm saying that 2 years is a lot of time. They didn't start working on the game in 2011 ( but they did planned to publish it then -.- ). Star Citizen, wasteland 2, both have about 2-3 years of dev time, and they are being done by the team roughly the same size, ~20 employes.

Not sure about Wasteland 2, but certainly Star Citizen is using an engine which has already been developed. Apparently, none of the existing game engines were suitable for what Egosoft had planned, so they had to write their own - not a decision to take lightly, since it probably doubled their development time.

Nikola515 · Post by **Nikola515** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 03:23

eladan wrote:
Nikola515 wrote:Sorry bad English
No, that's all right. I wasn't criticising you, just clarifying for anyone else who read it.

Rushing game will get us nowhere

Be patient and at the end you will be happy or rush and at the end you will be disappointed

(i dont't want another game like Fallout New Vegas )

Notchi · Post by **Notchi** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 03:58

Notchi wrote:I'm saying that 2 years is a lot of time. They didn't start working on the game in 2011 ( but they did planned to publish it then -.- ). Star Citizen, wasteland 2, both have about 2-3 years of dev time, and they are being done by the team roughly the same size, ~20 employes.

Not sure about Wasteland 2, but certainly Star Citizen is using an engine which has already been developed. Apparently, none of the existing game engines were suitable for what Egosoft had planned, so they had to write their own - not a decision to take lightly, since it probably doubled their development time.[/quote]

I agree that developing your own engine takes time, but they have projected their release date in q4 2011, and they are pushing it further since then. I'm just trying to figure out the reason for the delay. Do you believe that they have some catastrophic engine problem which they couldn't fix in 2 years? Bern put out some sticky info faq's on 30. Sep 11. Then in March 12 they started SoTW section... which lasted for a few weeks. 2 Months ago we got another FAQ round in the form of a newsletter... and yet... no release date in sight or a gameplay showcase.
I don't know about you, but for me, a minute of a video in which they showcase the new ( and hopefully improved ) UI, interior ( a bit more then the ss version) of the ship and maybe a station or 2, and I can happily lurk around for another year or so.

Fallent · Post by **Fallent** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 05:43

The X:R Frontpage doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. "X Rebirth for PC is expected to be released in 2013".

"Expected"?

Athraku · Post by **Athraku** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 06:28

Nikola515 wrote:
eladan wrote:
Nikola515 wrote:Sorry bad English
No, that's all right. I wasn't criticising you, just clarifying for anyone else who read it.
Rushing game will get us nowhere Be patient and at the end you will be happy or rush and at the end you will be disappointed

(i dont't want another game like Fallout New Vegas )

"Rushing" I think that's the first time in at least the last 6 months that has been used to describe the possible speed of the releasing of X Rebirth lol.

Nikola515 · Post by **Nikola515** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 06:48

Athraku wrote:
Nikola515 wrote:
eladan wrote:
Nikola515 wrote:Sorry bad English
No, that's all right. I wasn't criticising you, just clarifying for anyone else who read it.
Rushing game will get us nowhere Be patient and at the end you will be happy or rush and at the end you will be disappointed

(i dont't want another game like Fallout New Vegas )

"Rushing" I think that's the first time in at least the last 6 months that has been used to describe the possible speed of the releasing of X Rebirth lol.

Lol what i'm saying almost everybody wants game out

But do you want game that is buggy and keeps crashing all the time? If game is not ready they should keep working on it as long they need to .... (don't get me wrong im not defending them and i don't agree how they are handling thing but there is nothing we can do right now...)

I wan't that game as much as everyone else here but if game is not done it's not done i just wish they tell us something about it and what is going on

Or i might be wrong maybe game is already done and they are waiting for PS4 to come out because PC games are not selling that good

eladan · Post by **eladan** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 07:16

Notchi wrote:I'm just trying to figure out the reason for the delay. Do you believe that they have some catastrophic engine problem which they couldn't fix in 2 years?

From this post in the long, long ago*:

CBJ wrote:As many of you have guessed already, we're not now going to hit our previously-stated target of releasing in 2012. There are various reasons for this, but it's just an accumulation of additional work (something quite common in game development especially when a whole new engine is involved) not some major problem that we've run into.

* 3 months seems an eternity in this thread.

Athraku · Post by **Athraku** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 08:14

Nikola515:

Lol what i'm saying almost everybody wants game out But do you want game that is buggy and keeps crashing all the time? If game is not ready they should keep working on it as long they need to .... (don't get me wrong im not defending them and i don't agree how they are handling thing but there is nothing we can do right now...)

As long as it sticks to the latest release.... year I'll be happy otherwise I think it time to call it quits cause by the time they release it i fear it will be the Duke Nukem of space sims lol.

Incubi · Post by **Incubi** » Tue, 26. Feb 13, 09:09

The delay could be a good thing, like making some core changed to the game as a result of feedback from the fans. They may be mourning the loss of a favorite pizza guy, or the coffee machine broke, bringing productivity to a halt.

There is a reason we do not have a release date now, so I am more intertested in news on where the game is, and why ( within reason ) things 'seem' to be in delay.

My guess; last april, a pizza guy attempted to play an april fools joke on the staff. He delivered the pizza dressed like a Kha'ak. CBJ having had no sleep for months trying to keep up with kitchen spams, freaked out and broke the coffee pot over his head. This resulted in no coffee or pizza. Meanwhile someone decided to make some drastic changes to the game.

Sounds like a very good reason for an unspecified delay in news to me.

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Rebirth release date. - Part 2