Trump Presidency

[Vertigo 7]

I haven't glossed over anything. They never said what you're implying. You're making crap up to make yourself sound intelligent. Yes, they said added burden of Medicaid being gutted gave them no choice but to close. That's going to be the case for many many rurual clinics all over the nation.

Chips, what is your purpose here? You're not a stakeholder in any of this. Seems like you're just showing up to tell us that we're wrong for thinking or feeling a certain way about the destruction of our nation. You're not offering anything constructive for either side, you're only trolling. Why should anyone here care about anything you have to say?

[Alan Phipps]

@ Vertigo 7: It's enough that the poster cares, and its for other readers to decide the relevance/validity of what others post and not just down to you. External opinions, even if down to misunderstandings, do matter and have real impacts that might need discussion. Please continue by discussing the topic and stated opinions, and not the posters.

[Vertigo 7]

@ Vertigo 7: It's enough that the poster cares, and its for other readers to decide the relevance/validity of what others post and not just down to you. External opinions, even if down to misunderstandings, do matter and have real impacts that might need discussion. Please continue by discussing the topic and stated opinions, and not the posters.

If being a contrarian means caring, awesome, I know where the line is now.

[matthewfarmery]

Trump Loses Appeal of E. Jean Carroll Case

“A federal appeals court in New York on Thursday upheld a civil jury verdict that found President Donald Trump liable for sexually abusing and defaming the writer E. Jean Carroll, and which ordered him to pay her $5 million in damages,” CNBC reports.

Good, but he won't like the news, and he will probably do all that he can do to wiggle out from paying.

Still I raise a glass too E. Jean Carroll and this victory. The second case is still been processed. No sure when that will be heard?

Edit

In other news, Trump announces 35% tariff on Canada, plans 15%-20% levies on others

What a stupid move, But he will likely U turn at some point.

[felter]

I'm totally surprised that this has not been brought up. So the Epstein file was finally released, and I have to say I'm 99.99% sure it's a cover-up job by the Trumpers. First off, they released video from inside the jail it's supposed to show the door to Epstein's cell and who came and went, the first problem is that there are missing minutes from the video those minutes just do not exist, but there were backups of the video, yes I say were as those backups were mysteriously deleted in 2019, not just that it would be pretty easy to fake those videos.

With most, the biggest issue though is that Trump's AG said in numerous interviews that she had the Epstein client list sitting on her desk just waiting to be signed off before it could be released, but on the day of the file being released she said the client list does not exist. These two statements do not exist together, it's either one or the other. To me, it doesn't matter, but she should resign or be sacked from the post because she is a liar and the job she has you cannot be a liar.

My personal biggest issue though is that there was over 10 thousand hours of video from Epstein island which we know was used to assault underage girls but according to Trumps people there is nothing to see in any of the footage, 10 thousand hours on an island that was constantly being used to commit crimes and there is no footage of it. If I were to put a camera outside the front of my door and take 10 thousand hours of footage, I would guarantee you would catch something happening, for example a few weeks back one of my neighbours was running around threatening people with a machete and I stay in a very nice area, So I can say there is definitely something to see on those recordings.

The last thing is Trumps response to Epstein questions is he is telling reporters to stop asking about Epstein as he is a scum, and he doesn't want to talk about it any more, So was Epstein scum before Trump continually partied with him, or before he went onto the Howard Stern show saying Epstein was a great guy that liked the younger girls or was it after all this. Here's a question for Trump, he knew Epstein was abusing young girls as he did admit it to Stern did he ever go to the police or did he just ignore it all and maybe join in I mean one of those 49 sexual assault victims said Trump sexually assaulted her when she was a minor and did so on that Island that the video show no evidence or maybe Trump is also named on that existent none existent client list.

[felter]

So Trump is currently in Texas right now, faking interest in the damage from the recent floods, while he is there he should also have a look at the Texas farms as it is looking like Texas agriculture is on the verge of a total collapse. All the fields are empty of workers, as they have either deported all the illegals or the ones that are left are keeping away from the farms due to the fear of being deported, but not just that even the legals are staying away, also due to the fear they will be deported anyway. So currently the crops are not being harvested or planted, and the cows are not being milked. Meanwhile, Americans say they would want a minimum of $30 per hour to do the job that the illegals had been doing for a few dollars, they say that will put the price of a carton of orange juice up to around $13 - $14, I don't know how much it is right now but that's around 6 times the price here. Interesting fact around 40% of American agriculture is based in Texas, so if it does crash, need we say what that means for America.

[Skism]

I'm totally surprised that this has not been brought up. So the Epstein file was finally released, and I have to say I'm 99.99% sure it's a cover-up job by the Trumpers. First off, they released video from inside the jail it's supposed to show the door to Epstein's cell and who came and went, the first problem is that there are missing minutes from the video those minutes just do not exist, but there were backups of the video, yes I say were as those backups were mysteriously deleted in 2019, not just that it would be pretty easy to fake those videos.

With most, the biggest issue though is that Trump's AG said in numerous interviews that she had the Epstein client list sitting on her desk just waiting to be signed off before it could be released, but on the day of the file being released she said the client list does not exist. These two statements do not exist together, it's either one or the other. To me, it doesn't matter, but she should resign or be sacked from the post because she is a liar and the job she has you cannot be a liar.

My personal biggest issue though is that there was over 10 thousand hours of video from Epstein island which we know was used to assault underage girls but according to Trumps people there is nothing to see in any of the footage, 10 thousand hours on an island that was constantly being used to commit crimes and there is no footage of it. If I were to put a camera outside the front of my door and take 10 thousand hours of footage, I would guarantee you would catch something happening, for example a few weeks back one of my neighbours was running around threatening people with a machete and I stay in a very nice area, So I can say there is definitely something to see on those recordings.

The last thing is Trumps response to Epstein questions is he is telling reporters to stop asking about Epstein as he is a scum, and he doesn't want to talk about it any more, So was Epstein scum before Trump continually partied with him, or before he went onto the Howard Stern show saying Epstein was a great guy that liked the younger girls or was it after all this. Here's a question for Trump, he knew Epstein was abusing young girls as he did admit it to Stern did he ever go to the police or did he just ignore it all and maybe join in I mean one of those 49 sexual assault victims said Trump sexually assaulted her when she was a minor and did so on that Island that the video show no evidence or maybe Trump is also named on that existent none existent client list.

well said Felter I as going to bring this up myslef but you have done so more comprehensively

One of the more substantive things Musk said during their fallout was that the reason that the list has not been released is that Trump IS ON THE EPSTEIN LIST

I mean thats an explosive claim by Musk - but you know what? I think its true

The Maga base is really not happy about this at all - and frankly why would they be? I am subribed to several channels of that type and there are ALOT of very unhappy former Trump voters on this alone.

So Trump is currently in Texas right now, faking interest in the damage from the recent floods, while he is there he should also have a look at the Texas farms as it is looking like Texas agriculture is on the verge of a total collapse. All the fields are empty of workers, as they have either deported all the illegals or the ones that are left are keeping away from the farms due to the fear of being deported, but not just that even the legals are staying away, also due to the fear they will be deported anyway. So currently the crops are not being harvested or planted, and the cows are not being milked. Meanwhile, Americans say they would want a minimum of $30 per hour to do the job that the illegals had been doing for a few dollars, they say that will put the price of a carton of orange juice up to around $13 - $14, I don't know how much it is right now but that's around 6 times the price here. Interesting fact around 40% of American agriculture is based in Texas, so if it does crash, need we say what that means for America.

I believe also the state of Iowa is in trouble as well they have lost billions in contracts thanks to tariffs with Canada - so Canada had enough of bullying

[felter]

There are now reports that the prison video has all the evidence of it being an edited video, it's looks like it has been cut up and put back together again.

A Brian Tyler Cohen with clips from some of Trumps main supporters or, should that be, ex-supporters. I've said it for years if the deep state in America exists then you need to look at two places for it, the first being Qanon and the second being Donald J, trump.

[felter]

Just a quick video on the controversy of the prison video and the alleged changes made to it, I say alleged, but it is pretty obvious that there is something fishy going on with it.

[Chips]

So, all this about Epstein, what is the exact assumption/allegation/implication people have?

As for Vertigo - 136 rural hospitals shut over the last decade or so. As said, I'm not questioning whether Trump's policies are going to reduce the access to "affordable" healthcare; that's a given.
I'm questioning how it is that suddenly, some people *now* seem to care.

Maybe everyone always did. Maybe it's struck a nerve. It happens.

Moving on...

[Chips]

As someone said, Trump's mentioned 35% on Canada, and now 30% on Mexico - but he's backed down (extended) these repeatedly. At first the stock markets used to mess the bed when he announced them, now they seem to just ignore it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyvj13d9ylpo

[clakclak]

So, all this about Epstein, what is the exact assumption/allegation/implication people have?

[…]

Can‘t post it here it is to graphic, but part of the allegations against Trump in the Epstein case are described in the Wikipedia article about the allegations against Trump based on sexual misconduct. You find it in the chapter „Accusations filed in Court against Trump“, subsection „Katie Johnson/Jane Doe“.

Here is the link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_ ... llegations

Before you tell me that he was not found guilty/that the lawsuit was withdrawn please note that I am answering your question about the assumptions of people regarding Trump‘s and Epstein‘s behavior and not what Trump was found guilty off. A widespread belief is that the accuser was put under pressure to withdraw her accusation. Rather or not that is what happend, I don‘t know, but your question was what people think happened. Basically people think what is written in the accusation did take place.

[Chips]

So, all this about Epstein, what is the exact assumption/allegation/implication people have?

[…]

Can‘t post it here it is to graphic, but part of the allegations against Trump in the Epstein case are described in the Wikipedia article about the allegations against Trump based on sexual misconduct. You find it in the chapter „Accusations filed in Court against Trump“, subsection „Katie Johnson/Jane Doe“.

Here is the link: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_ ... llegations

Before you tell me that he was not found guilty/that the lawsuit was withdrawn please note that I am answering your question about the assumptions of people regarding Trump‘s and Epstein‘s behavior and not what Trump was found guilty off. A widespread belief is that the accuser was put under pressure to withdraw her accusation. Rather or not that is what happend, I don‘t know, but your question was what people think happened. Basically people think what is written in the accusation did take place.

The question isn't anything to do with guilty or other, and scepticism as to why someone would ask (that, oddly, it's going to be pro Trump ) -- it was simply that the BBC published an article a few days ago:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2m879neljo

US justice department finds no Epstein 'client list'

The US Department of Justice and FBI have concluded that sex offender Jeffrey Epstein did not have a so-called client list that could implicate high-profile associates, and that he did take his own life - contradicting long-held conspiracy theories about the infamous case.

I do remember it being a direct question which was given a "I will release..." directly by Trump, which was then backtracked nearly instantly with a "well... depends" (in the same interview ), which has obviously turned into a full/absolute "nope".

So the query what do people expect to find is - if the FBI and Justice Department say there isn't such a thing, and it's a "conspiracy theory" (BBC article's words, not mine), then how can there ever be an outcome of this that's ever going to satisfy what is perceived as a mainstream "truth" with what'd appear to be zero evidence to base it on?

It is also a query upon how a legal system can ever operate with the trust of a nation if the norm is going to be "we must see the evidence for ourselves about something for which there's no evidence it exists!". As in, where did the knowledge of a list originate from and gain traction?

Of course, this assumes that what the DoJ and FBI is saying is true... or, that the devil is the detail being omitted. E.g this wording:

According to a two-page Department of Justice (DoJ) and FBI memo, investigators found no "incriminating list" of clients and "no credible evidence" that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals.

highlighting "incriminating list" rather than mentions of individuals, and "no credible evidence" doesn't mean *no* evidence...

And that then links into the video from Coffeezila linked above, looking at a video going "but it's supposed to be the raw footage, yet it's been edited". As he is saying himself, the issue is someone did do some adjustments -- but the impact upon conspiracy is that the take home from his video is that it's *definitely* imply they've removed something that *did* happened.

But it does appear there's an impasse, whereby something from which there's apparently never been evidenced to exist, has entered common "lore" that it does. And therefore, it can never be resolved trustfully. What a circumstance to end up in

So the question would be, can anyone ever accept the DoJ / FBI statement?

Still, nice to know queries aren't at face value.

[EGO_Aut]

It looks like Iran is being bombed again today. US drones and tanker aircraft are active. Israel has once again wreaked havoc with covert operations in Iran, taking out at least one high-ranking military official.

[clakclak]

It looks like Iran is being bombed again today. US drones and tanker aircraft are active. Israel has once again wreaked havoc with covert operations in Iran, taking out at least one high-ranking military official.

War with an outside force is always a good way to deflect from internal issues, but I think in this case it is a bit to transparent.

[Chips]

It looks like Iran is being bombed again today. US drones and tanker aircraft are active. Israel has once again wreaked havoc with covert operations in Iran, taking out at least one high-ranking military official.

Can't find any source to support this so far - only thing about Iran I've found so far today is:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/ ... risis-live

Iran says it would resume nuclear talks with US if guaranteed no further attacks

According to state media, Iran’s foreign minister, Abbas Araghchi, said on Saturday that his country would be willing to re-engage in nuclear talks with Washington if there were assurances of no more attacks against it.

Araghchi served as lead negotiator in the strained nuclear talks with the US over the summer, which collapsed after Israel launched a surprise attack on Iran’s nuclear sites on 13 June, including at the key Natanz nuclear site as well as at ballistic missile sites.

Referring to the subsequent 12-day Israeli bombardment of Iran’s nuclear and military sites, and the US airstrike on 22 June, Araghchi said that if the US and others wish to resume talks with Iran, then:

First of all, there should be a firm guarantee that such actions will not be repeated. The attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities has made it more difficult and complicated to achieve a solution based on negotiations.

and the other reports were that Iran's leader was slightly injured in the attacks last month.

Iran's President Masoud Pezeshkian was injured in an Israeli attack on Tehran on June 16, during the 12-day war, according to Iranian reports.

https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/me ... 2-day-war/

So is there a source?

[matthewfarmery]

Author Michael Wolff says Jeffrey Epstein showed him photos of topless girls sitting on Donald Trump’s lap by Epstein’s pool, and one “with a stain on the front of Trump’s pants with 3 or 4 girls laughing and pointing at it.”

https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/19 ... 7173839261

And also a judge was going to release names of Epstein's clients, that was before the presidential elections. Trump also campaigned on a promise that he would release the files. So he basically now accusing others, like Biden and Hillary Clinton for writing the files. But the more he keeps talking about this, the worse it;s getting.

Probably keeping him up at night. So, its a cover up. and a very poor and botched way of doing it.

[felter]

It's so hilariously incompetent, it has gone from, there is a client list, to there is no client list, to I wasn't talking about the client list when I said the client list I was talking about the Epstein file, but there is no Epstein file, to there is a list, but it's a fake list created by Obama, Biden, Hillary Clinton and James Comey, just like the fake Russia, it's now also the reason we didn't release any video was because it is far too graphic for the public as it contains child pornography. The story is all over the place shooting off in a multitude of different directions and I just end up having even more questions than answers, A good one is Trump used to bash on that Bill Clinton is on the list, which two days ago didn't exist to now he is now saying, it's a fake list that Hillary Clinton made, did she do that before or after Bill Clinton was added to the list. Or if the videos are so bad for showing child pornography, why are the people in those videos not being arrested and charged, they have the evidence, by trying to justify not releasing the videos they have now admitted to actually having the evidence, so why are they not acting upon that evidence and saying they didn't have that evidence.

They are saying it was all just Epstein but believe it or not there are now over 1,000 allegations of child exploitation and all of those allegations are not being made against Epstein, I'll throw one name at you Andrew, you know that well known British guy better known as Prince Andrew, if it was just Epstein then his allegations are not his, but they are.

The one good thing about it all is Trump is not having fun over it any more, he is trying to use it to blame others but because of the cover-up no one is believing him, As for his AG, I don't think she will be in that Job for much longer, some of the names that are calling for her to go, well let's just say they are some of Trump's biggest supporters.

[clakclak]

If Pam Bondi is going to go I am sure the will find a good candidate to replace her. What about that first guy, the one who was nominated before Bondi. One Matt Gaetz, he seems uniquely qualified to handle this issue given his first hand experience in the buisness, I am sure the public would love it.

[Vertigo 7]

It's a sad state of affairs when its the possibility that the orange one being a pedophile is the thing that takes him down. Not the blatant racism, not the destroying of the economy, not the unprovoked attacks of Iran and supporting of genocide of the Palestinians, not the total subservience to Russia - all of that is fine, but the known rapist and felon now also likely being a pedophile, thats the bridge too far for the maga freaks.

And hey, if this is the thing that finally ends him, great, won't be sad to see him go. Just mindboggling its taken this long with all the crap he's done.