Trump Presidency

[matthewfarmery]

Well, Microsoft is rasing the prices for its S series consoles, somewhere in the region of $80 plus. And Trump is saying, oh children will have to live without more toys. He has no clue on the damage he is inflicting. At some point America will head straight into a recession.

https://www.ign.com/articles/microsoft- ... is-holiday

So yeah, tariffs are going to hurt. America is shooting itself in the foot, because of Trump.

[Mailo]

Typical liberal disinformation in their zeal to see destruction as progress?

Do you ever read back what you write? WTF does "zeal to see destruction as progress" even mean? For someone outside of the US, this reads as something nonsensical someone in a weird religious cult might say, not something that is part of a rational discussion.

[matthewfarmery]

And also, looks like Musk will be out of a job soon,

Tesla Opened Search for CEO to Succeed Elon Musk

“About a month ago, with Tesla’s stock sinking and some investors irritated about Elon Musk’s White House focus, Tesla’s board got serious about looking for Musk’s successor,” the Wall Street Journal reports.

“Board members reached out to several executive search firms to work on a formal process for finding Tesla’s next chief executive.”

But then again, I would say, too little, too late, Tesla might as well go bust. as for Musk, he will be jobless, as no one will touch him.

Tesla denies contacting headhunters to replace Musk.

However, in statement on Thursday, Tesla said the report was "absolutely false" while Mr Musk wrote on his social media platform X that the paper was "a discredit to journalism". Tesla chair Robyn Denholm: "The CEO of Tesla is Elon Musk and the board is highly confident in his ability to continue executing on the exciting growth plan ahead"

Typical liberal disinformation in their zeal to see destruction as progress? Perhaps, perhaps not. Time will tell. I wouldn't worry too much about Musk becoming "jobless". He tends to create his own jobs just fine.

The problem is observe, America will very likely head into a recession, while the GOP might not have blocked the tariffs bill, its still not going to stop America doing damage to itself. While Trump and some others don't seem to care about that, its going to impact a lot of companies. Sooner or later, Americas will feel this in their wallets and bills.

It isn't about zeal, its about seeing what is happening from the outside. Trump is having a fantasy in his head. But that doesn't relate any shape or form on what is happening now.

[Incubi]

Trump's approval rating seems to be sinking, but it can't sink fast enough.

I am for one surprised it is dropping.

My question to his supporters would be - you all wanted it didn't you? What here surprised you? Not no-laws prisons for kids and immigrants obviously. Must be the eggs.

Why are you surprised? Most people didn't want him in, people just didn't vote. I know this has been dismissed, but numbers don't lie.

[felter]

The burning question is, if they didn't vote, do they even have the right to disapprove of him now?

[Vertigo 7]

of course they do. the 1st amendment isn't contingent on if someone votes or not. Further, you didn't vote in our elections so if you're making that a requirement then are you gonna stop complaining?

[fiksal]

Why are you surprised? Most people didn't want him in, people just didn't vote. I know this has been dismissed, but numbers don't lie.

Surprised because I don't believe people who don't vote have much care on who runs the government

[Warenwolf]

Tesla denies contacting headhunters to replace Musk.

However, in statement on Thursday, Tesla said the report was "absolutely false" while Mr Musk wrote on his social media platform X that the paper was "a discredit to journalism". Tesla chair Robyn Denholm: "The CEO of Tesla is Elon Musk and the board is highly confident in his ability to continue executing on the exciting growth plan ahead"

Typical liberal disinformation in their zeal to see destruction as progress? P

Liberal disinformation? You must be joking...
Wall Street Journal wrote about it (1) - Rupert Murdoch's family own the news paper. Same guy owns Fox News.

1: https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/tesl ... d-0ce61af9

[felter]

of course they do. the 1st amendment isn't contingent on if someone votes or not. Further, you didn't vote in our elections so if you're making that a requirement then are you gonna stop complaining?

This reply doesn't really answer the question, it is actually way off. For starters, what I asked has nothing to do with anyone's actual liberty rights what I was asking if someone who couldn't be bothered to vote, so didn't have an actual say in who got voted into power why now should they have a say in how someone as actually doing, this doesn't just stand for America it's everywhere if you didn't vote you cannot complain about the outcome. It's like here in the UK, if someone was to complain and moan on how much Brexit sucks and I found out they hadn't bothered to even vote on the issue, I would tell them to STFU, but if you were to tell me it sucks I would agree with you.

As for me moaning about it, that is inconsequential, it doesn't matter what I say or feel as it doesn't make any kind of difference, it's not like some American pollster is going to get in touch with me and ask how I feel about it or that they are going to come to this or any other forum to get their views on how things are going in America, but the thing is even though I don't have an actual say in it, everything that Trump is doing effects me, my family, my friends and fellow country men it affects all of us, and we have had no say in any of it, that alone I think gives all of us the right to complain and moan and groan about what is being done to all of us.

[esd]

Tesla denies contacting headhunters to replace Musk.

The board have "full confidence" in Musk.
The Prime Minister has full confidence in the Cabinet Member.
The owners have full confidence in Tim as manager of Madeitup United.
The mayor has full confidence in the police commissioner.

So often said about a week before a "mutual decision to step down" is made.

[Vertigo 7]

of course they do. the 1st amendment isn't contingent on if someone votes or not. Further, you didn't vote in our elections so if you're making that a requirement then are you gonna stop complaining?

everything that Trump is doing effects me, my family, my friends and fellow country men it affects all of us

And this is still true of every US citizen whether they voted or not as well. So yes, they absolutely have the right to speak up.

[Incubi]

Why are you surprised? Most people didn't want him in, people just didn't vote. I know this has been dismissed, but numbers don't lie.

Surprised because I don't believe people who don't vote have much care on who runs the government

Liberals literally were encouraging to not vote because they felt that voting was being complacent to the system. Personally, I found this to be a very convenient level of propaganda to Trumps benefit. Also, with the electoral college, many people feel that their vote does not matter. It still does, just not as much as if they counted each vote to determine the result. I don't believe that America has been this polarized since the red scare.

Through polarization we are controlled by the two major parties. And everything is so polarized that people do not even see how compatible socialism and capitalism really are. I feel that while we cannot ethically put a ceiling on wealth, we can use socialism to give it a floor. There is also the very ironic implication between corporation and communism, but not in a good way. There are a lot of theories supporting this but that derails this thread too much not to mention the headaches just thinking about it.

Ok, I am taking my aluminum hat off for now.

[Mailo]

of course they do. the 1st amendment isn't contingent on if someone votes or not. Further, you didn't vote in our elections so if you're making that a requirement then are you gonna stop complaining?

everything that Trump is doing effects me, my family, my friends and fellow country men it affects all of us

And this is still true of every US citizen whether they voted or not as well. So yes, they absolutely have the right to speak up.

I don't think anyone is talking about taking away a constitutional right ... especially as the first amendment only talks about Congress not infringing on freedom of speech. THAT does not depend on having voted.
I always understood "you lost your right to complain if you didn't bother to vote" as "You can talk all you want, but I refuse to listen to you complain about something that was in your power to prevent if you had just gotten off your lazy butt, you knucklehead. Go outside and shout at the clouds for all I care."
And yes, in that sense they did lose their right to complain. People not living in the US did not have the power to prevent anything, so they did not lose their right to complain.

Also, not voting is immensely stupid. For all intents and purposes, there is no difference between someone who did not vote, and someone who split his vote 50% for Trump, and 48.4% for Harris. Congratulations, you supported BOTH of the candidates you claim you did not want to support. (This also fits in with the idea above ... if you did not vote, you supported Trump with 50% of your vote, and now you got what you supported.)

[Observe]

Also, not voting is immensely stupid.

George Carlin.

[Chips]

I don't need to examine what is being said. I am advocating self-defense, apparently a completely foreign concept to some, in the face of no alternatives.

That's exactly what I'd expect the murderer to say when the Police to show up at his door "I was going to be detained, it was self defence". Okay, it's a bit of a ridicule I admit

I'm fully aware how you see the difference "they're legitimate people who should not be arrested" - and that's what the courts are for. If there's a genuine belief that the entire legal system of the US is in that terrible a state, then oh dear. Let alone, as I was saying, that each individual now has the divine right that should be recognised by their peers, to determine *what* is right with regards to their own circumstances. Remember, there's no question here about determining what's legally accurate. Just "SHOOT FIRST".

I am aware that people wrongfully convicted of crimes are well documented in the US; the process is never perfect and it can be a battle to get cleared. But if they'd shot the police going "but I'm innocent, so I'm going to extra judicial execute every bugger who comes..." then are they innocent?

No.

If, as you're suggesting, people start murdering federal employees to "protect their freedom", then do you believe they should be allowed to do so without examination of the courts?


Again, it's not a "this is all gravy" - and frankly, I don't give a damn. But this is kind of amusing to see how fast it dissolves into, essentially, mini self righteous dictators against dictators. "I SHALL CONDEMN YE TO DEATH BECAUSE I AM RIGHT".

Could it be "lulz, look at your own back yard!" if we get the likes of Farage in the UK? Absolutely. But I'm not one for trying to incite violence.

There's no rallying or protesting or anything else that's going to stop anyone from being kidnapped when ICE comes kicking in doors - its far too late for that nonsense. So yes, murder, maim, dismember, do whatever it takes to the intruders if it means you get to live free for one more day.

As said, that applies to any criminal. So upon what criteria does it suddenly become "legitimate" vs "nut job".

Just because they are wearing a badge, that doesn't make them right.

Who said it did. That's what the courts, and laws, are for. If it's being subjugated then the first point of call should not be to shout "KILL!!!!".

And these abductees aren't being given a trial.

Yep, aware, again, not a legitimate cause for murder. Unless it's a capital offence in the country?

What would you do if someone breaks into your house with the intent of kidnapping you or a member of your family?

Heading down the old straw man. If the Police entered my premises without a warrant, it'd be one for the courts. Yes, it'd likely take some time. But that's the *correct* way.

I would not determine I had any right to take lives.

Let alone the classic telling people they should FIGHT FOR THE DEATH when it's not your life that'd be snuffed out. It's always entertaining when people are that arrogant as to tell others they SHOULD die to achieve something.

@Chips and @Observe

I think the two of you are a bit nonchalant in dismissing what is going on as ‘just normal laws and those who don‘t follow them are anarchists‘. It sometimes feels like the two of you think your societies are somehow immune from sliding towards fascism, understandable as both America and the UK have long traditions of democracy, but the slope is indeed slippery at times.

While I may disagree withe Vertigo on practical questions,
I think the general idea of having a plan what to do if the situation worsens is correct. Inaction in the face of injustice will lead to violence anyway, the question is only who perpetuates it and if it is one sided or not. The Stolpersteine in my street serve as a daily reminder of that.

Not immune, and I don't think it's *that* far at present. There may be a differing on opinion as to how far it's gone, but the media over here aren't reporting much about large scale protests *yet*, so I just base my viewing on how the nation overall appears to react to it. Think many many weeks ago I expressed surprise for just how little they seemed to care. If the US population as a whole are majority apathetic then... I'm not wasting my energy on their behalf.

Do I agree with what's happening? No. But I have that opinion on many things happening in many countries.



As for all the "how can Harris be worse than this, so why did they vote Trump" rhetorical queries - they didn't *all* vote for Trump because they thought he was better than Harris. They wanted a change. They weren't really thinking through where it'd go; they *wanted* a change. One said that in this thread... though I think he also said Harris would be worse, so I'd agree, "upon what metric"

The same may happen in the UK over the next few years, and it'll be a failure - likely due to how dumb the population has become over their consumption of media and believing nearly anything written without question... from *any* source. But more by ignoring, marginalising, castigating and patronising them... as that tends to backfire. They have a vote, they're members of society. Discourse *is* the correct option, not the arrogant hand waving "they're just crazy" (okay, some are, but "some" don't elect a countries leadership - that requires a majority, or if trying to split hairs, the majority in whatever voting system employed).

If you're getting an increasingly disenfranchised population, and increasingly polarised people, then decide what's the best way. Because if it's just to call them "trumpanzees" with "no point in engaging" then that's precisely how you got here. Because being *that* patronising means you're as close eared and bigoted as them.

[Vertigo 7]

I don't need to examine what is being said. I am advocating self-defense, apparently a completely foreign concept to some, in the face of no alternatives.

That's exactly what I'd expect the murderer to say when the Police to show up at his door "I was going to be detained, it was self defence". Okay, it's a bit of a ridicule I admit

I'm fully aware how you see the difference "they're legitimate people who should not be arrested" - and that's what the courts are for.

mmkay i stopped reading here because you've been told a half dozen times now, at least, that people aren't being given a trial. I hope you enjoyed typing out that wall of text.

[Alan Phipps]

Can we get back to discussing the topic and not each other, thanks.

[matthewfarmery]

This is why RFK is bad for health,

If anyone in this misbegotten, evil administration deserves to leave this earth early, it's this quack.

RFK Jr. believes many weird things about the causes, treatment, and prevention of infectious diseases. These false beliefs might seem disparate and unrelated, but they’re not. They’re all rooted in a single belief described on pages 285-288 of his book, The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health. In short, RFK Jr. doesn’t believe in the germ theory. He believes in something called the miasma theory.

The miasma theory is a long-abandoned medical theory that holds that diseases are caused by poisonous vapors (i.e., miasmata) that are generated by rotting organic matter, such as trash sitting out on the street. According to the miasmists, diseases aren’t passed from one person to another; rather, they are the product of poor hygiene and sanitation.

Understanding that specific bacteria and viruses caused specific diseases led to treatments like antibiotics and preventives like vaccines, which has caused us to live 40 years longer than we did in the late-1800s.

If you want to avoid infection, according to RFK Jr., all you need to do is maintain a healthy immune system. This explains why he has said that no vaccine is beneficial, that the polio vaccine killed more people than it saved, that young parents shouldn’t vaccinate their children, that HIV does not cause AIDS, that HIV is not spread from one person to another, and that the anti-AIDS drug AZT was an example of “mass murder”. It also explains why he drinks raw, unpasteurized milk.

Basically, he been saying find other forms of treatment for measles, including vitamins, So yes, he is VERY much against vaccines. To say otherwise, would be silly. But we have this clown who is only making things worse. As his theories are based on defunked theories that have no basis for today's medicine. Sorry Observe, but I have to say this, but RFK is very anti vaccines. And because of RFK's BS views, a once treatable disease is now spreading. He should not be in the position he is in. And as a result, America will very likely go backwards in terms of health and care.

[Observe]

Basically, he been saying find other forms of treatment for measles, including vitamins, So yes, he is VERY much against vaccines. To say otherwise, would be silly. But we have this clown who is only making things worse. As his theories are based on defunked theories that have no basis for today's medicine. Sorry Observe, but I have to say this, but RFK is very anti vaccines. And because of RFK's BS views, a once treatable disease is now spreading. He should not be in the position he is in. And as a result, America will very likely go backwards in terms of health and care.

Here we go with vaccines again. I think RFK's views are being misrepresented. Contrary to claims that he’s anti-vaccine, RFK Jr. has repeatedly stated that he and his family are fully vaccinated, as noted in interviews like his 2019 discussion with The Atlantic.

He’s not against vaccines but advocates for thoroughly tested and effective ones, emphasizing transparency and safety in their development. His critiques, as outlined in The Real Anthony Fauci, focus on pharmaceutical influence and regulatory shortcuts, not a rejection of science itself.

The accusation that RFK Jr. denies germ theory in favor of miasma theory oversimplifies his position. He’s never explicitly endorsed miasma theory; instead, he emphasizes strengthening the immune system through nutrition, lifestyle, and environmental health.

What’s wrong with promoting a healthy immune system? A robust immune response, supported by diet and exercise, is widely recognized as complementary to medical interventions like vaccines. His advocacy for raw milk, for example, aligns with his belief in natural foods, though it’s fair to debate the risks of unpasteurized products.

The U.S. has the lowest health outcomes among developed nations-highest rates of chronic diseases, obesity, and infant mortality-despite heavy reliance on pharmaceuticals and vaccines. If the current “science-based” system was flawless, would we see these dismal results? RFK Jr.’s push for scrutiny of public health policies, including vaccine safety and environmental toxins like mercury, aims to address these systemic failures. His controversial claims, like those on HIV/AIDS or AZT, reflect a broader skepticism of profit-driven medicine, not a denial of infectious diseases.

In short, I am very happy with how RFK is doing as HHS Secretary. More and more, I am seeing articles about eating healthy, removing food dyes, improving school lunches, removing junk from food stamp programs, and more. Give the guy a break. He is on your side, whether you recognize it or not.

[matthewfarmery]

Sorry, observe, but I totally don't believe you, He isn't qualified for the position he is in. He, like Trump are totally unfit for office.

Besides, I don't even live in America.