Coronavirus: COVID-19

[Tamina]

And now imagine you would have gotten the intact virus.

[Mailo]

And now imagine you would have gotten the intact virus.

I'd rather not, as that would in all likelihood mean that my wife was dead.

[mr.WHO]

Heard somewhere the better immune system the faster/noticable the response will be

I heard something like that:

High response/symptoms --> you were more vulnerable to COVID, so you inmune system had a lot of work to adjust after vacine --> you would have severe symptoms if you would got actual covid --> you will have longer and better inmunity after vaccine.

Low response/symtoms - here are two posssibilities:
a) You have an illness which lowers your inmune system --> this means low response in not a good sign and you will be severly thretened by COVID --> you will have litte and short inmunity after vaccination (e.g. 3-6 months).
b) You actually already have resistance --> this mean low response because your inmune system already know how to deal with virus/vacine fast and efficiently --> you will have relatively less and shorter resistance from vacine, but the good news is that if you would get actual COVID you would also have light symptoms.


If you have light or no symptom and ticked all "NO" on all the illnes in the pre-vacination questionare then you're most probably case B, but if you ticked "YES" on anything, it might be case "A".
Whoever got stronger symptoms after vacination, should actually be happy as they have the highest chance that vacine actualy saved their life.

[Axeface]

Got my first shot of sinovac a few hours ago. Felt nothing during, I rarely even feel the needle though (which is apparently quite odd), feel absolutely nothing hours later. So either it works really well, or really badly ;p Lets see how the 2nd one goes.

pre-vacination questionare

Questionnaire?

[mr.WHO]

Got my first shot of sinovac a few hours ago. Felt nothing during, I rarely even feel the needle though (which is apparently quite odd), feel absolutely nothing hours later. So either it works really well, or really badly ;p Lets see how the 2nd one goes.

pre-vacination questionare

Questionnaire?

The paper where thy ask if you have fever, had COVID symptoms in last 2 weeks, had COVID before, had severe ilness (inmunosupression, cancer, blood clogging etc). It's done either by the paper or by questioning shortly before vacination.
I thought it's a standard procedure world wide?

[Alan Phipps]

In theory, the pre-jab questions should be a combination of those asked prior to any injection (such as are you taking blood thinners or suffer from haemophilia, do you have allergies, bad needle-reactions, etc) and those recommended by the manufacturer of the specific vaccine you that will receive plus any additional ones advised by the national medical authority. Hence the pre-question list may vary somewhat with different vaccines and in different countries but in principle it should always be pretty similar. Depending on the country and medical services involvement, some answers may be available from online access to individuals' medical records.

[Axeface]

The paper where thy ask if you have fever, had COVID symptoms in last 2 weeks, had COVID before, had severe ilness (inmunosupression, cancer, blood clogging etc). It's done either by the paper or by questioning shortly before vacination.
I thought it's a standard procedure world wide?

Here they just said "Do you have any illnesses or are you on medication" and "Have you ever had an allergic reaction to anything", I said yes hypertension and the drug I take and she said ok, gave me it and asked me to wait 15 minutes And of course upon entering everyone has to sign a piece of paper with your name and credentials saying that if you drop dead its not their fault.

Oh and no they didnt ask if ive been sick, the receptionist just took my temperature when i went in.

Outside of 1st world europe and north america the world is quite different guys ^^

[CBJ]

Outside of 1st world europe and north america the world is quite different guys ^^

Not really. It's just the same questions here, and no piece of paper to sign.

[Axeface]

Outside of 1st world europe and north america the world is quite different guys ^^

Not really. It's just the same questions here, and no piece of paper to sign.

Interesting, when he said about questionnaires it gave the impression its more in depth and some kind of safety net. So how does the registration process work where you are? (I assume you are in germany) Here its up to the individual to sign up to the app and apply, you give your identity number (we have identity cards but its just your age, name and a number basically, no details about you except criminal) then you are given a time. Your age defines when you get allocated a time. Thats to say that those 2 questions I got asked just before being vaccinated are the only safety net, to them I am a name and a number and nothing else. I also spoke to my family in the uk and they said that they were called by their medical provider (usually being the nhs) rather than signing up themselves, and asked if they want to vaccinate, I assume that medical details were used to allocate vaccines? Which obviously makes the process safer as they are already informed about preexisting conditions, etc. Could it be the same where you are?
This is the paper we all have to sign https://www.gub.uy/ministerio-salud-pub ... nto-vacuna
Put simply it says "We made a vaccine program, you are entitled to get one when we say your age group can, and you cant sue us if something happens to you because of the vaccine".

[Mightysword]

And now imagine you would have gotten the intact virus.

I wonder if the reaction to the vaccine can be used as an indication how one would fair if caughting the real virus unprepared? Like those with just a sore arm or 1 day body ache are the one who would passed covid by as just a simple cold, while the one getting strong reaction are the one who could have been hospitalized or face higher risk of serious illness.

[Mightysword]

Outside of 1st world europe and north america the world is quite different guys ^^

Not really. It's just the same questions here, and no piece of paper to sign.

My place have you answer the questionnaire during the online appointment set up, have you verified it again 2 days before when they send you reconfirmation link. You are then asked directly by the staff when your car is in queue (it's a drive through vaccine center), and then when you get in the spot, another staff ask you one more time when the nurse prepare the dose. So yeah ... 4 times, and this happens with both of my shot.

I think the protocol is the same in most countries, the only question is how diligent the staffs are at your particular place. Even a strict protocol won't mean squat if the local staffs don't care.

[CBJ]

So how does the registration process work where you are? (I assume you are in germany) .... I also spoke to my family in the uk and they said that they were called by their medical provider (usually being the nhs) rather than signing up themselves, and asked if they want to vaccinate, I assume that medical details were used to allocate vaccines? Which obviously makes the process safer as they are already informed about preexisting conditions, etc. Could it be the same where you are?

I'm in the UK. Everyone over the age of 50 or in a high-risk category got a call when it was their turn. Now that they're on to younger people, those people can use a website to book one instead once their age group has been announced. I don't know whether medical records are used, but they confirm a few details on the phone or website when you book your appointment, and they ask you the same questions again when you arrive at the appointment.

[mr.WHO]

And now imagine you would have gotten the intact virus.

I wonder if the reaction to the vaccine can be used as an indication how one would fair if caughting the real virus unprepared? Like those with just a sore arm or 1 day body ache are the one who would passed covid by as just a simple cold, while the one getting strong reaction are the one who could have been hospitalized or face higher risk of serious illness.

That's pretty much how you described, with single exception:
People with very weak immune system or inmunosupression illness could also react very little to none to vacine, but the actual virus would be really deadly to them.

[Ehli]

So how does the registration process work where you are? (I assume you are in germany) .... I also spoke to my family in the uk and they said that they were called by their medical provider (usually being the nhs) rather than signing up themselves, and asked if they want to vaccinate, I assume that medical details were used to allocate vaccines? Which obviously makes the process safer as they are already informed about preexisting conditions, etc. Could it be the same where you are?

I'm in the UK. Everyone over the age of 50 or in a high-risk category got a call when it was their turn. Now that they're on to younger people, those people can use a website to book one instead once their age group has been announced. I don't know whether medical records are used, but they confirm a few details on the phone or website when you book your appointment, and they ask you the same questions again when you arrive at the appointment.

I'm pretty sure the comment "1st world europe" also meant to include the UK, as UK is in the same continent as Germany: Europe

[CBJ]

I'm well aware of that, thanks. I was explaining why it wasn't so different to where Axeface is, and more specifically pointing out that I was in the same place as his relatives, rather than in Germany as he assumed.

[Panos]

And now imagine you would have gotten the intact virus.

I wonder if the reaction to the vaccine can be used as an indication how one would fair if caughting the real virus unprepared? Like those with just a sore arm or 1 day body ache are the one who would passed covid by as just a simple cold, while the one getting strong reaction are the one who could have been hospitalized or face higher risk of serious illness.

Nope cannot be used. Because is different thing to receive a normal attack through proper way than having a virus already pushed into your cells forcing them to replicate it to trigger a response.

[CBJ]

Right answer, wrong explanation. No, vaccine side effects don’t tell you how well your immune system will protect you from COVID-19.

[Tamina]

Right answer to a different question The article explains that you gain the same level of immunity no matter if you get/got any side effects or not. However, the question was, if the side effects of a vaccine are correlating with how well (or bad for that matter) you would have perceived the real virus.

[BaronVerde]

I doubt that such a question can be answered with some certainty. The jab is a well defined dose, but catching a virus in the wild can be a massive burst from somehwre. or just a few casually encountered organisms. It can be after a drunken night when the immune system is having a hangover, of fresh and fit in the morning. I would assume that there are too many variables.

But am ready for correction.

[CBJ]

Right answer to a different question The article explains that you gain the same level of immunity no matter if you get/got any side effects or not. However, the question was, if the side effects of a vaccine are correlating with how well (or bad for that matter) you would have perceived the real virus.

I suggest you read the article again. The last paragraph addresses exactly that question.