[MOD] Variety and Rebalance Overhaul (VRO) 4.x

[Scoob]

- Fixed modifiers omission that lead to stations did not deal enough damage to capital ships in OOS.
- Another OOS pass trying to fix some outliers

Hi,

Wanted to say that the OOS balance, from what I've seen of it so far, is much improved in 2.1.9.

I witnessed a station take care of a Xenon K OOS, just as well as it'd taken one out when I was In Sector previously. It took damage, lost Drones etc. as you'd expect, but the battle played out much closer to IS. Additionally, I'd been seeing small groups of Xenon Fighters, with a P or two, slowly whittling away a Station OSS. This station dominated them IS. That station got attacked again while I watched OOS and while it took a bit longer than IS to defeat them, it did so in a fairly timely manner.

Balance seems pretty darn good now.

Scoob.

[EtherealZucchini]

Hello,

What are the "spinal" versions of the fusion accelerator, heavy plasma array, ion projector, etc. that are available for purchase as blueprints? I tried buying the "fusion accelerator spinal" blueprint, but it doesn't actually seem to exist in the build menu when I went to go construct a behemoth at my shipyard.

[maseren]

- Fixed modifiers omission that lead to stations did not deal enough damage to capital ships in OOS.
- Another OOS pass trying to fix some outliers

Hi,

Wanted to say that the OOS balance, from what I've seen of it so far, is much improved in 2.1.9.

I witnessed a station take care of a Xenon K OOS, just as well as it'd taken one out when I was In Sector previously. It took damage, lost Drones etc. as you'd expect, but the battle played out much closer to IS. Additionally, I'd been seeing small groups of Xenon Fighters, with a P or two, slowly whittling away a Station OSS. This station dominated them IS. That station got attacked again while I watched OOS and while it took a bit longer than IS to defeat them, it did so in a fairly timely manner.

Balance seems pretty darn good now.

Scoob.

It's interesting that is what you saw Scoob. For me, i see an extreme slow down by Xenon. No I's in 3-4 hours. Maybe i killed them all, maybe they're fighting the free families. They can't fight anyone else, as I have them evil locked up behind defense platforms filled with turrets. ...I'll keep reporting.

[ScandyNav]

Hello,

What are the "spinal" versions of the fusion accelerator, heavy plasma array, ion projector, etc. that are available for purchase as blueprints? I tried buying the "fusion accelerator spinal" blueprint, but it doesn't actually seem to exist in the build menu when I went to go construct a behemoth at my shipyard.

They are for one ship only - Centaur.

[Shuulo]

Hello,

What are the "spinal" versions of the fusion accelerator, heavy plasma array, ion projector, etc. that are available for purchase as blueprints? I tried buying the "fusion accelerator spinal" blueprint, but it doesn't actually seem to exist in the build menu when I went to go construct a behemoth at my shipyard.

They are for one ship only - Centaur.

Actually, Centaur can fit spinal weapon of Fusion blaster, CIG, ISR and M/AM, but not Fusion Accelerator or Plasma Array, these are the remnants of balancing, forgot to comment them out, will be fixed in next patch as no ship uses them.
But Ion Projector is Behemoth main weapon, you should be able to use it.

[Shuulo]

Wanted to say that the OOS balance, from what I've seen of it so far, is much improved in 2.1.9.

Scoob.

It's interesting that is what you saw Scoob. For me, i see an extreme slow down by Xenon. No I's in 3-4 hours. Maybe i killed them all, maybe they're fighting the free families. They can't fight anyone else, as I have them evil locked up behind defense platforms filled with turrets. ...I'll keep reporting.
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Scoob meant balance between OOS and IS combat and not about Xenon fleets etc, and Im very glad to hear such feedback.
I decreased amount of Is in attacking fleets from 3-5 to 1-2 per galaxy (vanilla is 1) as they tend to destroy factions quite fast, so what you see is normal, Is are more of a boss ships, so having many of them made no sense.

[Scoob]

It's interesting that is what you saw Scoob. For me, i see an extreme slow down by Xenon. No I's in 3-4 hours. Maybe i killed them all, maybe they're fighting the free families. They can't fight anyone else, as I have them evil locked up behind defense platforms filled with turrets. ...I'll keep reporting.

Xenon are still a fairly significant presence in Hatikvah's Choice I and I've seen several Destroyers - no I's though. It good to see the stations able to take on those K's both In and Out of Sector - it has restored the balance. Previously, while OOS, those K's would have gone from station to station destroying them. Only another Fleet or large ship showing up had a chance to stop them.

I've not checked other Faction's sectors bordering Xenon space, though I see the two Eastern Teladi Trading stations are taking a hammering. Also, HOP are REALLY aggressive in my game. They're skirmishing with PAR, but haven't really made any major dent on their sectors yet. However, they took Second Contact II Flashpoint very early on. What I find odd in that HOP have a Fleet camped at every gate in that Sector and are killing ALL ARG, ANT and TEL ships that try to fly through - including civilians. An ARG fleet is camping the south gate of Argon Prime, but largely ignore HOP Civilians. Indeed, to my surprise, I get more HOP visitors to my station there than ARG. ARG are desperate for Hull Parts, but rarely come to me, HOP do all the time.

Xenon I's scare me lol.

Scoob.

[maseren]

HLTs are for sure best option for defense platforms. I even glad that ai don't use em.
For personal use ships: AlphaMD+Reapers or AlphaMD+Storm cannons. But ai-driven ships can't use properly these highROF-ships because they have to maintain target tracking for a long time. AI is bad at this.
AI is good with alpha-damage weapons. They miss 4 times, but critically strikes on 5th. So for ai-diven ships weapons will be: CIG, Fusion repeater, Storm cannon. Maybe plus Plasma Incinerator.
L turrets for ships? I don't know. They are all good. But my preference is HMDs, because of no-clip firing type. Green "Slasher" mod turns on beast mode on no-clip weapons. PPC and Gauss also benefits greatly from this type of mod.
M turrets. Well...They are mostly bad, at least when InSector. CIWS, Cyclone, Plasma are quite ok though.

What do you mean no-clip?

[ScandyNav]

HLTs are for sure best option for defense platforms. I even glad that ai don't use em.
For personal use ships: AlphaMD+Reapers or AlphaMD+Storm cannons. But ai-driven ships can't use properly these highROF-ships because they have to maintain target tracking for a long time. AI is bad at this.
AI is good with alpha-damage weapons. They miss 4 times, but critically strikes on 5th. So for ai-diven ships weapons will be: CIG, Fusion repeater, Storm cannon. Maybe plus Plasma Incinerator.
L turrets for ships? I don't know. They are all good. But my preference is HMDs, because of no-clip firing type. Green "Slasher" mod turns on beast mode on no-clip weapons. PPC and Gauss also benefits greatly from this type of mod.
M turrets. Well...They are mostly bad, at least when InSector. CIWS, Cyclone, Plasma are quite ok though.

What do you mean no-clip?

Weapons that are not magazine type. You got ROF, that can be modified by "Weapon Reload" type of mods and then you got magazine reload time, that is not affected by this type of mod. To speed up magazine reload you need "Weapon Charge Time" type of mod. But you can cheat yourself "Weapon Reload" through save/loading grind up to 90-100% , as for "Weapon Charge Time" - it is limited only, i don't know, 20 or 25%.
So, if you want maximum damage you better stick to no-clip, no-magazine type of weapons.

[rosssack]

hi is there any point in using the FOCW mod now in game are just use this one

[Shuulo]

hi is there any point in using the FOCW mod now in game are just use this one

FOCW and VRO are dramatically different mods doing different things, not sure how you can compare

[gr4vediggr]

So I really like the overall set-up of this mod, and I know that you're balancing the Xenon vs the rest of the universe with every update, but is there anything I can do to give them a little bit more firepower in a local version of the mod? All factions are holding and the HOP is even pushing into Faulty Logic with relative ease.

[Shuulo]

So I really like the overall set-up of this mod, and I know that you're balancing the Xenon vs the rest of the universe with every update, but is there anything I can do to give them a little bit more firepower in a local version of the mod? All factions are holding and the HOP is even pushing into Faulty Logic with relative ease.

Use FOCW mod to adjust their difficulty to whatever you prefer.

[joey86]

I am interested to know which ships and weapons players use as playership with the goal of destroying weapons from capitalships.
I don`t like the idea of careing about having enough rockets and torpedos.
For the moment i use Dragon with Rapid Plasma Turret (Weapon Pack), Alpha Massaccelerator and Fusionsomething. I play in german so sorry for having not the precise english name.
Would help much if you dont use shortcuts so i can more translate it easier for me.

I tried a kobra with plasma and hoped that the second shield helps but somehow it gets destroyed faster and the damage from a 3rd heavy weapon and 2 aditional turrets don`t compensate the 4 missing light weapons.

[ScandyNav]

I am interested to know which ships and weapons players use as playership with the goal of destroying weapons from capitalships.
I don`t like the idea of careing about having enough rockets and torpedos.

I think you need weapons which do most damage before overheat for this.
If this weapon stats spreadsheet is correct for current version of VRO...
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1326693489

That can be Dragon with 4 Heavy Tau Accelerator + 2 Demolisher Cannon.

[MiFoludek]

Hi,

This mod introduces a lot of new missiles and torpedos. Is this mod also add complex algorithm to pick up the right missile for AI?
PS. Vanilia AI can use only current missile.

BR

[Shuulo]

This mod introduces a lot of new missiles and torpedos. Is this mod also add complex algorithm to pick up the right missile for AI?
PS. Vanilia AI can use only current missile.

No, AI is not changed. What do you mean ai will use only current missile?
AI will restock default missile stetted in macro file of the launcher in most cases, and those were changed to new missiles.

[Realspace]

Love the concept and think that this mod in combination with no highways and much larger sectors delivers exactly the game as I wished. One thing i miss thou, a bit more real physics. Nothing crazy but seeing the ship going from 6000ms to zero in a second using the front thruster simply kicks my immersion out of the window. Any chance of a version with more inertia and such? I took a look at the props/engine and all the parameters I touched in my Rebirth physics mod (before v. 3.6) are no more there. Top speed depending from acceleration and mass? Is the duration to stop travel drive the parameter to at least have decently beliavable decelerations?

[Shuulo]

Love the concept and think that this mod in combination with no highways and much larger sectors delivers exactly the game as I wished. One thing i miss thou, a bit more real physics. Nothing crazy but seeing the ship going from 6000ms to zero in a second using the front thruster simply kicks my immersion out of the window. Any chance of a version with more inertia and such? I took a look at the props/engine and all the parameters I touched in my Rebirth physics mod (before v. 3.6) are no more there. Top speed depending from acceleration and mass? Is the duration to stop travel drive the parameter to at least have decently beliavable decelerations?

hi, I improved some aspects of this comparing to vanilla already but dont really want to overboard, as i think more realistic flight model will hurt game flow and AI especially as it was not done with it in mind.
Top speed depends on forward drag value in ship macros, nothing more. Deceleration from travel speed is in drive macros and mass is in ship macro.

[MiFoludek]

Hi,
Is it possible to get titan blueprint?

BR