I wish autotraders had a bit more self-preservation instinct

This forum is the ideal place for all discussion relating to X4. You will also find additional information from developers here.

Moderator: Moderators for English X Forum

fcth
Posts: 226
Joined: Wed, 6. Nov 02, 20:31
x4

I wish autotraders had a bit more self-preservation instinct

Post by fcth »

Just lost four in quick succession because they decided it would be good to trade in Faulty Logic I (should not have bought that HOP price subscription). Frankly I wished they'd stay out of any sector with anything more dangerous than an m5. The 2.5 sector blacklisting can't get here soon enough.
Rastuasi
Posts: 504
Joined: Mon, 1. Oct 18, 16:28
x4

Re: I wish autotraders had a bit more self-preservation instinct

Post by Rastuasi »

The 2.5 sector blacklists do not work though, been on the Linux beta since launch and mine still decided to pass through an invaded Hativ system
nickolaiproblem
Posts: 246
Joined: Mon, 5. Nov 18, 23:12
x4

Re: I wish autotraders had a bit more self-preservation instinct

Post by nickolaiproblem »

Rastuasi wrote: Sun, 5. May 19, 17:19 The 2.5 sector blacklists do not work though, been on the Linux beta since launch and mine still decided to pass through an invaded Hativ system
What? yes they do though the only time they ignore your orders is when you tell them to do so. Or they have other orders conflicting against that same order. Infact I just tested global orders by ordering my traders to work exclusively in argon sectors its worked just fine. Also tell me more about this invasion if it was a full on invasion to a sector already controlled by argon and HAT. Also set sectors owned by enemies or sectors containing dangerous regions. Also when get a new trading vessel make sure to mark pirate harassment to flee instead of fight that's usually the number 1 killer of auto trade ships. It also might be helpful to select in turret management hold fire that way they aren't stuck fighting a xenon ship or pirate ship.
Falcrack
Posts: 5730
Joined: Wed, 29. Jul 09, 00:46
x4

Re: I wish autotraders had a bit more self-preservation instinct

Post by Falcrack »

nickolaiproblem wrote: Sun, 5. May 19, 17:25
Rastuasi wrote: Sun, 5. May 19, 17:19 The 2.5 sector blacklists do not work though, been on the Linux beta since launch and mine still decided to pass through an invaded Hativ system
What? yes they do though the only time they ignore your orders is when you tell them to do so. Or they have other orders conflicting against that same order. Infact I just tested global orders by ordering my traders to work exclusively in argon sectors its worked just fine. Also tell me more about this invasion if it was a full on invasion to a sector already controlled by argon and HAT. Also set sectors owned by enemies or sectors containing dangerous regions. Also when get a new trading vessel make sure to mark pirate harassment to flee instead of fight that's usually the number 1 killer of auto trade ships. It also might be helpful to select in turret management hold fire that way they aren't stuck fighting a xenon ship or pirate ship.
It seems to me that there are ships which ignore the sector blacklist, though these seem to be subordinates to stations. In my experience, the autotraders seem to do a good enough job avoiding blacklisted sector (in 2.5).
j.harshaw
EGOSOFT
EGOSOFT
Posts: 2200
Joined: Mon, 23. Nov 15, 18:02

Re: I wish autotraders had a bit more self-preservation instinct

Post by j.harshaw »

Falcrack wrote: Tue, 7. May 19, 01:09It seems to me that there are ships which ignore the sector blacklist, though these seem to be subordinates to stations.
They shouldn't. Would you happen to have a repro? Still have time to fix anything that's broken with blacklists before 2.50 leaves beta.
Imperial Good
Moderator (English)
Moderator (English)
Posts: 4933
Joined: Fri, 21. Dec 18, 18:23
x4

Re: I wish autotraders had a bit more self-preservation instinct

Post by Imperial Good »

It is possible that the movement blacklist might have bugs.

The other two appear to be working perfectly for me. I do not see any of my ships trying to trade or mine in Xenon space, auto traders and free traders included. I also do not see any of my traders trying to trade with either HAT or SCA which both have been blacklisted due to being hangouts for pirates. However what I have not tested is the movement restriction blacklist, since in my playthrough there is no use case for it (all Xenon are well pushed back into their space, am allied with everyone else).

Be aware that Minotaur Raiders are classed as military ships. Some players like to use them as station subordinate traders as they are pretty much immune to lone pirates. As such they will not be effected by default blacklists for civilian ships, only default blacklists for military ships.
User avatar
MakerLinux
Posts: 304
Joined: Tue, 14. Nov 17, 13:10
x4

Re: I wish autotraders had a bit more self-preservation instinct

Post by MakerLinux »

Also using Linux, and yes, the blacklists also work for me.
Brazilian Linux-only user living in Poland, https://steamcommunity.com/id/patolinux on Steam. PC I use for playing: Ryzen 7 7800X3D with 64 GB 6GHz DDR5 CL30, AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX, ArchLinux on KDE 6 Wayland
Controllers: steam controller via sc-controller or HOTAS set: Saitek X52 Pro + MFD F-16 + G29 pedals.
VR headset: Valve Index & Meta Quest 2. My other PC: Steam Deck OLED with nReal AIR AR headset
User avatar
Tamina
Moderator (Deutsch)
Moderator (Deutsch)
Posts: 4626
Joined: Sun, 26. Jan 14, 09:56

Re: I wish autotraders had a bit more self-preservation instinct

Post by Tamina »

Last time when someone reported a problem, j.harshaw - if you excuse when I am talking for you even though you are present :) - noticed that the order to fly through or into this sector was given BEFORE the blacklist entry was set.

The blacklist does not alter already planned flights. Also, wings ignore a blacklisted sector if their commander is located in one.

Code: Select all

Und wenn ein Forenbösewicht, was Ungezogenes spricht, dann hol' ich meinen Kaktus und der sticht sticht sticht.
  /l、 
゙(゚、 。 7 
 l、゙ ~ヽ   / 
 じしf_, )ノ 
Sanshy
Posts: 102
Joined: Thu, 14. Mar 19, 16:07
x4

Re: I wish autotraders had a bit more self-preservation instinct

Post by Sanshy »

2.5B3 and black lost is working fine.

Be careful that there are 3 different black list.
It must be setup correctly. It’s very functional and flexible. An example is, I want to up my rep with ARG to 30. I can creat a black lost that my traders will use only argon stations and argon sectors. :-)

Return to “X4: Foundations”