Huge Bug! Why Xenon economy dies every game! You wont believe it!

[malkuth1974]

Dam that seems like a huge oversite. Like mind boggling. So wondering if maybe the reason your seeing this is because when you modded it, it became like a normal warf. Requiring everything.

Only other thing is that it does not explain the lack of Kha'ak and pirates and why some faction also seem to stop building.

[TheShear]

Ah, Pirates are there but they are hidden. If you start scanning ships some of them will suddenly change designation to the Pirate Factions. There is even a Masked Behemoth Raider it seems.
Also maybe it's different in my Game but Kha'ak are all over the place in my game (though I admit only lone ships or small groups).

[Geonis]

None of those are used in the default loadout for Xenon.

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<loadout id="default">
          <macros>
            <engine macro="engine_xen_s_combat_01_mk1_macro" path="../con_engine_01" />
            <engine macro="engine_xen_s_combat_01_mk1_macro" path="../con_engine_02" />
            <shield macro="shield_xen_s_standard_01_mk2_macro" path="../con_shield_01" optional="1" />
            <weapon macro="weapon_xen_s_laser_01_mk1_macro" path="../con_primaryweapon_01" optional="1" />
            <weapon macro="weapon_xen_s_laser_01_mk1_macro" path="../con_primaryweapon_02" optional="1" />
            </macros>            
            

So, interesting seeing the dummy shipyard GUI, but nothing of note from this.

[StoneLegionYT]

Lot of their shipyard stuff seems to just be copy/paste off argon tbh. Makes sense why there be some strange looking things that really don't matter.

[Perahoky]

If this is the real cause for the economy bug and not war setting and egosoft fixes it... Are we next invaded by mass of xenon haha? A bit ironically

[StoneLegionYT]

If this is the real cause for the economy bug and not war setting and egosoft fixes it... Are we next invaded by mass of xenon haha? A bit ironically

I don't think the idea is xenon will invade as in destroy everything in it's path but rather cause a large disturbance. But I guess in the end will see what really happens lol

[SteveMill]

I think my single biggest frustration with Egosoft (aside from the history of releasing broken games at launch) is the lack of communication from the developer.

I am not saying they need to respond to every player but when they see a lot of people commenting about something or pointing something out it would be nice if they would try to address it.

What is going on in terms of the games economy? What about factional conflicts? Do they have a road map for fixes they can share with people? What is the end result supposed to look like?

At this point I am ready to move on when the next decent sci-fi game releases and much like X-Rebirth I unfortunately will probably not come back to the game again after.

A very good rule of thumb for Egosoft games is simply to wait a year or 18 months. By then the gane will be working and you might well get the dlc free.Probably at sale price.

I ignored that rule this time but sitting here staring at a universe where I can leave the game running for hours and lose none of my fleet, where I can play for 8 hours and not see a single enemy ship, I’m thinking of shelving it.

[Bozz11]

Did you try to bring the missing components and see if they then build anything ?
Use cheats to destroy all local ships and full the shipyard to see what happens.
As some said, maybe it's true and maybe not, but would be nice if it was koz it would be easy to fix !

[Perahoky]

Did you try to bring the missing components and see if they then build anything ?
Use cheats to destroy all local ships and full the shipyard to see what happens.
As some said, maybe it's true and maybe not, but would be nice if it was koz it would be easy to fix !

this!
please try to deliver them requried resources and let us see whether it works.

Thats like a pact with the devil ....

[ApoxNM]

We don't know that, it is very possible that they have made numbers only simulation of economy and it worked. It is likely that it will work in the game once bugs are gone or after some small adjustments. It is very hard to judge if economy works under their model, then there are production bugs.

That's the thing, we don't know anything.


For days now I have been camping the forums and posting and waiting for some official information from Egosoft. Nothing. I am even starting to wonder if the mods here have contact to the company.

[Socratatus]

These thread titles are becoming more like hyperbolic adverts designed to get views than anything substantial. I`m learning to not even look at them.

[Baconnaise]

These thread titles are becoming more like hyperbolic adverts designed to get views than anything substantial. I`m learning to not even look at them.

It's as if one were on Buzzfeed or some cancerous Youtube channel.

[sh1pman]

We don't know that, it is very possible that they have made numbers only simulation of economy and it worked. It is likely that it will work in the game once bugs are gone or after some small adjustments. It is very hard to judge if economy works under their model, then there are production bugs.

That's the thing, we don't know anything.


For days now I have been camping the forums and posting and waiting for some official information from Egosoft. Nothing. I am even starting to wonder if the mods here have contact to the company.

You mean moderators? This has nothing to do with them. They usually only have a contact with Community Manager (if a company has one), or someone who’s responsible for running the forum. And if there’s a problem, and it’s not about forum management, they’re just like us normal players, waiting patiently till it’s fixed. Really not much else they can do.

[CBJ]

Moderators are volunteers, and their "job" is primarily to make sure everyone sticks to the forum rules. When they have time and know the answer to something, then they may decided to respond to a question, but that's not their primary focus.

The primary focus of the developers, right now, is fixing urgent problems. While we can respond to some threads, we cannot possibly respond to every single one or there would be no time left to fix things. Rest assured, however, that important and frequently-reported issues are right up there on our priority list.

[zzehirbazz]

Moderators are volunteers, and their "job" is primarily to make sure everyone sticks to the forum rules. When they have time and know the answer to something, then they may decided to respond to a question, but that's not their primary focus.

The primary focus of the developers, right now, is fixing urgent problems. While we can respond to some threads, we cannot possibly respond to every single one or there would be no time left to fix things. Rest assured, however, that important and frequently-reported issues are right up there on our priority list.

Are you going to release a patch this week addressing further into stale economy and bugs?

[ApoxNM]

Rest assured, however, that important and frequently-reported issues are right up there on our priority list.

Thank you. That's something I wanted to know, so if there is lots of posts of the same bugs you do transfer the information?

I don't want to repost bugs but also want to make sure that my bug threads are taken into account, wihtout spamming the forum.

[Ranix]

I think my single biggest frustration with Egosoft (aside from the history of releasing broken games at launch) is the lack of communication from the developer.

I am not saying they need to respond to every player but when they see a lot of people commenting about something or pointing something out it would be nice if they would try to address it.

What is going on in terms of the games economy? What about factional conflicts? Do they have a road map for fixes they can share with people? What is the end result supposed to look like?

At this point I am ready to move on when the next decent sci-fi game releases and much like X-Rebirth I unfortunately will probably not come back to the game again after.

the game was crashing and deleting saves last weekend dude, they have their priorities straight here you know

[Cisor]

Moderators are volunteers, and their "job" is primarily to make sure everyone sticks to the forum rules. When they have time and know the answer to something, then they may decided to respond to a question, but that's not their primary focus.

The primary focus of the developers, right now, is fixing urgent problems. While we can respond to some threads, we cannot possibly respond to every single one or there would be no time left to fix things. Rest assured, however, that important and frequently-reported issues are right up there on our priority list.

I think this is fair enough. When the short-term urgent work is done, there will be a time to take feedback on board and communicate to the community where you guys want to take the game.

[bl3ek]

There's another thing about the economy...

Egosoft have gone for a full simulation - which should be applauded.

However, testing a simulation and every iteration of an economy cannot be underestimated. In isolation it probably worked for them as they played entirely to design. However, in the hands of joe public the sheer volume of play styles of iterations means that, we as players, are finding far more loopholes and flaws. We're not operating or adhering to the script and that's incredibly hard to second guess.

I don't believe they've been lazy and not tested.

I think they've tried to do something ambitious - that we all want - but new discoveries happening all the time means refinement will take time.

[Tadas]

Moderators are volunteers, and their "job" is primarily to make sure everyone sticks to the forum rules. When they have time and know the answer to something, then they may decided to respond to a question, but that's not their primary focus.

The primary focus of the developers, right now, is fixing urgent problems. While we can respond to some threads, we cannot possibly respond to every single one or there would be no time left to fix things. Rest assured, however, that important and frequently-reported issues are right up there on our priority list.

Are you going to release a patch this week addressing further into stale economy and bugs?

They have released patch every day last week, this is a game breaking bug, I am sure it will be addressed very soon.