Egosoft please reinstate classic bore-sight fire/steering

[ZacUK]

ZacUK
Lionick explained it perfectly

Actually he just quoted something about CTRL+N to toggle classic flight mode.

This made far more sense:

They don't like gimballed guns and want fixed forward a la WW2 fighters.

Your terminology was wrong, and now I understand.

Personally, I've been using the mouse steer/shoot since X3R, as I always preferred it. I don't think I could get used to any other way in an X game now.

[AlienM1nd]

I get that if that's an option, it would be good.
So bore-sight is like you fly a plane with mouse in e.g. Battlefield 1? If that's the case, I'm glad we have the Starlancer model here where I don't have to rudder the mouse on the pad if I want to constantly go into one direction.

[DJC]

ZacUK
Lionick explained it perfectly

Actually he just quoted something about CTRL+N to toggle classic flight mode.

This made far more sense:

They don't like gimballed guns and want fixed forward a la WW2 fighters.

Your terminology was wrong, and now I understand.

Personally, I've been using the mouse steer/shoot since X3R, as I always preferred it. I don't think I could get used to any other way in an X game now.

Everyone has their own preference and that's ok I am not asking for a change in the game
just to put an option back in that has existed since the beginning of the franchise.
Also try a game from before XR and you might understand better.

StormMagi That is a very simplified way to put it. It is much more then that.

[Dave242]

Combat in X4 is not as fun as X3, I don't know why, but I'd point to the lack of proper boresight.

The auto-aim with Boresight in X3 was nowhere near as accurate as auto-aim in X4. I don't want to simply hold down space and auto-kill everything, I want to be challenged!

X3 with boresight felt more like a dogfight than it does in X4. You can get by without a mouse cursor.
Also, when you hide the cockpit the auto-aim reticule will vanish, making it mandatory to use auto-aim.

Jesus Christ on a stick - modern military hardware like Tanks, ships and planes have "auto-aim", there are even firearms with auto-aim now - this is no longer World War 2 where you have to aim manually.

Why comment if you don't understand what is being requested?

All OP is asking for is the OPTION to have classic flight controls reinstated. It's nothing new. You won't lose anything so stop trying to belittle those that have been using this feature since before rebirth.



It's quite simple, the ship goes where you point the mouse just like a joystick and you shoot with the left mouse button.

Looks like this is going to fall on deaf ears again (just like with rebirth) maybe scripts and modding could help. They couldn't with rebirth because it was hard coded in...

[SirNukes]

It's quite simple, the ship goes where you point the mouse just like a joystick and you shoot with the left mouse button.

Looks like this is going to fall on deaf ears again (just like with rebirth) maybe scripts and modding could help. They couldn't with rebirth because it was hard coded in...

From poking around, it looks like flight controls are still in the exe (as you might expect). It might be possible to fake something with an Autohotkey script, or maybe a lower level tool that intercepts mouse movements. Eg. if the physical mouse is being moved right, then the in-game steering cursor will be placed toward the right of the screen; when the physical mouse stops, the in-game cursor recenters. The hard part might be getting a smooth, consistent experience.

[kyoo]

They're asking for shift+space mode to have no dead zone, so that the cursor is locked to the center and moving the mouse directly moves the ship without having to drag it around the edge of an invisible circle.

I badly want this too. Flying and fighting doesn't feel as fun.

[LeanderVan]

Can you explain exactly what you mean by this? As was said you can toggle mouse steering with Ctrl+Space, but if that's not what you're referring to then please explain.

Copied from steam manual of X3 TC - keybindings section: Toggle classic flight mode [Shift + N]

This would make ship steering comparable to a 1st person shooter. The cursor disappears, when you move your mouse to the left, the ship turned left. When you stopped moving the mouse left the ship would stop turning left as well, regardless of where the "cursor" would have been.
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I think shift spacebar control feels silly.. but that's because I've always used previous described method

Sounds like its the same thing as shift+spacebar except when you stop moving the cursor automatically re-centers. Could probably be added as an option down the road?

You can experience, what an classic flight mode is, when you press the arrow-keys to steer your vehicle. The same function of these arrow-keys on the keyboard, that's what we want to use our mice with.

[Recon777]

X4 is not Quake.

Also why don't you just turn of aim-assist?

Does aim assist actually move your gimballed turret for you or does it simply give you a "tolerance" for missed shots? I'd far prefer the former because the latter is immersion breaking.
Also, something like this should be purchased as software like the docking computer. Having it be in the game settings makes it feel like a crutch.

Personally, I fly with a joystick. So I don't even get the luxury of mouse cursor aim.

[StormMagi]

ZacUK
Lionick explained it perfectly

Actually he just quoted something about CTRL+N to toggle classic flight mode.

This made far more sense:

They don't like gimballed guns and want fixed forward a la WW2 fighters.

Your terminology was wrong, and now I understand.

Personally, I've been using the mouse steer/shoot since X3R, as I always preferred it. I don't think I could get used to any other way in an X game now.

Glad to help.

I have been using the mouse to steer and shoot as well, but I am 99% sure that in X3:TC you could also hit CTRL or some other key, while mouse steering, and have the guns fire at the fixed crosshair. I recall using that a fair bit in M3s

[DJC]

Personally, I've been using the mouse steer/shoot since X3R, as I always preferred it. I don't think I could get used to any other way in an X game now.

By the way that proves my point. Just imagine if they just took your option away in the
next game, you would not like it would you. Of course not you are use to it.
I have been playing the way I describe (along with others) since X2 The Threat that's
around 16 years. That's hundreds if not thousands of hours . That is what "WE" are use to
All "WE" want is the option put back into the game.
Not to change anything, not to undo anything, not to ruin anyone else's game play. Just so "WE"
can enjoy the game as you do. Play the way we want to play. I believe that was promised to us in one of the trailers.
Some of the video clips even indicate this type of control, and it is even stated that "X4 supports ALL models of controls"
Egosoft My (our) request is not unreasonable.

[silenced]

What you guys want to have back is the classic flight mode with "fight software mk2" active, where you just pointed your ship towards the aim-reticule until it's matched and fired at your target, moving around by simply moving your mouse.

A very intuitive and relaxed way of controlling a fighter. This is what is missing in X4 is seems.

[Tattoonation]

I miss the classic bore fire/steering with Fire on left mouse very much too! is was much more precise and direct.

Please Egosoft, give us back this Option!

[CaptainX4]

I add my vote to this. As an old fighter pilot so I cant use this crappy mousefollow flightmode, please add direct mouse control. I never understood why to take away options. No need of menus and selection when I'm flying just wanna fire with my left button target with my right button and fly my ship with the mouse... C'mon Egosoft, you can do it

[linolafett]

I just wanted to chime in and say that we are reading the feedback here.
I already poked DocAce about implementing the shift+n behaviour. Sadly its not trivial to add, he said, otherwise it would have been already in.

Time will tell when we can take a look at it again. Trying to get it on a list somewehere!

[Zippo342]

I just wanted to chime in and say that we are reading the feedback here.
I already poked DocAce about implementing the shift+n behaviour. Sadly its not trivial to add, he said, otherwise it would have been already in.

Time will tell when we can take a look at it again. Trying to get it on a list somewehere!

Thanks for getting back to us. If it can be added, I'd greatly appreciate it, and I'll amend my review on steam.

Currently this is probably the worst offender at keeping me from enjoying the game fully. While there are other problems, having to fight the controls while I do combat feels horrible.

[DJC]

I just wanted to chime in and say that we are reading the feedback here.
I already poked DocAce about implementing the shift+n behaviour. Sadly its not trivial to add, he said, otherwise it would have been already in.

Time will tell when we can take a look at it again. Trying to get it on a list somewehere!

Thank you for your response. It good to know that we are being herd
Don't really like the "Time will tell when we can take a look at it again" part so Please don't let this end here.
Get it on that list and if you can please keep us informed.
Thank you again
David

[vtecem]

I just wanted to chime in and say that we are reading the feedback here.
I already poked DocAce about implementing the shift+n behaviour. Sadly its not trivial to add, he said, otherwise it would have been already in.

Time will tell when we can take a look at it again. Trying to get it on a list somewehere!

Thank you for listening and replying to feedback!!!

Also, please add me to the list of ppl that would like this feature, it would make the joystick play so much better!

[Tattoonation]

I just wanted to chime in and say that we are reading the feedback here.
I already poked DocAce about implementing the shift+n behaviour. Sadly its not trivial to add, he said, otherwise it would have been already in.

Time will tell when we can take a look at it again. Trying to get it on a list somewehere!

It is very nice to see an official feedback here. Thank you!

[StormMagi]

I just wanted to chime in and say that we are reading the feedback here.
I already poked DocAce about implementing the shift+n behaviour. Sadly its not trivial to add, he said, otherwise it would have been already in.

Time will tell when we can take a look at it again. Trying to get it on a list somewehere!

What about instead adding in an option for a keybind to fire the guns at the center of screen/fixed crosshair as an alt fire mode regardless of flight mode? That way you could either use mouse to fire gimbal or CTRL (as an example) to fire down the sights and not have to mess with flight modes?. (TBH I don't know if this exists, I haven't had time to really put more than maybe 30 minutes into X4 so far, and probably won't for another week or two )

[DJC]

What about instead adding in an option for a keybind to fire the guns at the center of screen/fixed crosshair as an alt fire mode regardless of flight mode? That way you could either use mouse to fire gimbal or CTRL (as an example) to fire down the sights and not have to mess with flight modes?. (TBH I don't know if this exists, I haven't had time to really put more than maybe 30 minutes into X4 so far, and probably won't for another week or two )

I think I get what you are saying, and is very close to what I "WE" are asking for. But those of us that are asking
just want the old options put back in. Also I don't think your idea would be any easier to implicate then
what we are asking for. Or even make sense for all types of steering as you suggest. To be fair the steering
settings that exist now are perfect, at least I think (I don't use one) for a stick. Just not for a mouse/keyboard
setup. A stick auto centers when released and just has a different feel then a mouse, thus steering/firing
goes straight this does not work with a mouse or in my opinion make sense and can get very confusing, especially
if you are used to the old way. I tried to do it this way in XR but just could not enjoy the game. Using the gimbal
with the aim assist is the way it was originally set up and at least for me the original way is what I am asking for.

Egosoft has responded and I can only hope that the original bore-sight fire/steering settings get reinstated. I want
to play this game but I won't at this time because I want to enjoy it as well.