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Joubarbe · Post by **Joubarbe** » Fri, 1. Jan 16, 19:03

There are many problems with the Linux version. I switched back to Windows after trying the install of LU on Linux (using the comments that have been posted on the old wiki).

The sun is a problem, yeah, a lot of them have black borders. And there are many other tiny problems as well, like a lot of games (textures, AA, ...), but I'm pretty sure that the balance and the commands are preserved, because they are "within" the game. It's not like you use a different engine to read gameplay elements like OpenGL instead of DX.

dizzy · Post by **dizzy** » Fri, 1. Jan 16, 19:44

idont wrote:I recently installed this mod to my linux version of AP, and it works okayish. However there's a few things that I'm not sure if they're broken or just not documented well enough for me to find.

Most of the Linux modding problems (of any game) stem from the case sensitive filesystem. As modding generally requires that certain files override original game assets, filename case sensitivity matters a lot because if they are different then the files don't overwrite each other. You could simply try to install LU and the game on a filesystem with case-insensitive filenames.

[*]There seems to be a weird balance in the missions offered, in that I am almost only offered defend station, patrol and build station missions. I have however seen a single transport personnel one, so they're not totally missing. Is this intended?

That's normal, that's the same in Windows version of LU. It's frustrating but that's how it is. Transport missions are the rarest (about 5%). It will be even more frustrating the second you manage to get a TL because suddenly those large numbers of Build Station missions seem to drop significantly.

[*]When the automated explorers explorer a new sector, they always enter the sector, then immediately turn around and land in a station in the previous sector, with the command land somewhere safe. Then they launch again, fly to the new sector and map it. Why?

Again normal. I don't know what Litcube's original motivation for it was but one possible explanation from my side is that the explorer tries to stay safe. Imagine that it's discovering an enemy sector (Xenon or Pirate or OCV) so it needs to first enter it (to discover the sector and get the sector data, like who owns it), then it needs to go back to a safe location (which can only be the previous sector it came from), then decide what to do (and because it's an enemy sector it will avoid going back to fully explore it). How else would you have this work?

[*]There are some new wares like artificial fertilizer or construction equipment, but I can't see any information on what they're for.
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Yeah, I saw those too, no idea. Try to use the Encyclopedia to look up the ware and see if it's required by any station.

BlackArchon · Post by **BlackArchon** » Fri, 1. Jan 16, 20:35

idont wrote:...
There are some new wares like artificial fertilizer or construction equipment, but I can't see any information on what they're for.

I assume they exist only for immersion purposes and for stimulating the universe economy. You won't need these products anywhere.

Lord Dakier · Post by **Lord Dakier** » Sat, 2. Jan 16, 01:46

Is there a recommended turret mod with this? I tend to use Mars over Smart Turrets, just wondering if it's compatible and all that?

solarahawk · Post by **solarahawk** » Sat, 2. Jan 16, 02:47

No, neither are compatible. I was thinking last year about working on Smart Turrets to make it LU-friendly. Maybe I'll take a look down the road.

But to be honest, I don't think they are really needed. Litcube rewrote all the turret scripts (not to mention everything else).

idont · Post by **idont** » Sat, 2. Jan 16, 03:02

Thanks for the help. I was mostly concerned with the stuff that felt weird, like the missions being different or the cowardly explorers. Now that I know that's intended, I'll just have to learn to live with it.

How I installed the mod:

Get Linux Steam to install me a fresh version of AP.
Download the no steam exe from egosoft. This will never be executed, but makes the installer happy.
Start Windows in a virtual machine, and expose the AP install as a network drive.
Point the installers at the network drive and let them do their thing.
Shut down the virtual machine and start AP normally. Apart from the suns, everything apparently works as it should.

Looking at the suns a bit more, the only broken ones are ids 91-100, 105-120 and 125-128. So I figure that instead of working out what is broken about the suns, I'll just make my own mod that replaces all those suns. I actually did something similar many years ago, when I got annoyed by the lens flare in the original game, and I remember it not being too hard. Now I just need to remember how to do that, and then the OCV is going down!

Jack08 · Post by **Jack08** » Sat, 2. Jan 16, 03:07

Ok, looks like that would result in a OK install - as for the suns, its likely a compression issue on the texture, The loading of the DXT textures in OpenGL or a converter can sometimes result in a lost alpha channel depending on the compression type. You could try replacing the textures for the suns with issues with other suns that dont have thoes issues; or re-compressing them with DXT1 (i think).

BlackArchon · Post by **BlackArchon** » Sat, 2. Jan 16, 10:42

Lord Dakier wrote:Is there a recommended turret mod with this? I tend to use Mars over Smart Turrets, just wondering if it's compatible and all that?

The weapon switching part of Smart Turrets for your ships is working with LU, there is only a minor problem with smart main guns (weapon switching for your ship's cockpit guns) - don't use this. I'm using Smart Turrets in my current LU game and it is working perfectly fine.
I haven't tested the more advanced stuff the script can do with missile frigates, only the weapon switching part.

Nikola515 · Post by **Nikola515** » Sun, 3. Jan 16, 06:39

Something seems pretty messed up with this mod.... I used cheat script because I didn't wont waste another 40h to find out that something is wrong here..... I used Terran ships 6x M6 and 1xM2 armed with Wraith,Spector and Poltergeist Missiles. They wore all set up to 100% chance to shoot missiles. Also I set up MLCC so they fire :

1)Wrath on M1,M2,M7 and stations.

2) Spector on M6,M8,M3,Fragters and TL/TM.....

3)Poltergeist Fighters,M3,M4 and M5.

Now problem is M2 rarely fires Wraith missiles on stations only and M6 use only Wraith on everything (even M5).....

I installed everything again from scratch even started new game and still same problem. Does anyone know what a hell is going on because It is annoying and I like this mod and I don't want to uninstall it.
Also I used cheat script but I didn't use it with Plugin Manager so I don't thing it would have any effect on behaving. Also does anyone know if steam version comes automatically with bonus pack ???

Sorry for my bad English.

Litcube · Post by **Litcube** » Sun, 3. Jan 16, 07:42

MLCC Missile ROEs are only used when ships are executing MLCC orders.

Nikola515 · Post by **Nikola515** » Sun, 3. Jan 16, 08:15

Thanks for answering.... Those ships wore assigned to station running MLCC... I called them to assist in pirate sector and that was outcome ... Also ships that are not assigned to MLCC do the same thing (especially capital ships) M7M don't have any problems though...... Do you have any idea what could have happened. Im installing fresh AP copy form Steam and I will try again....

Retrox · Post by **Retrox** » Sun, 3. Jan 16, 11:04

I've got a little ... optical problem.

http://i.imgur.com/a2xKvzf.jpg

I've installed this mod over a new AP download, but somehow the VOL and TC values at stations aren't where they should be. Do you have an idea to fix it?

As you see, behind the number, thats shows how many drones are at the station, there is a grey 'M' that should show how big the ware is.

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BlackArchon · Post by **BlackArchon** » Sun, 3. Jan 16, 12:33

Why does the Terrans don't have shield production factories?

Lord Dakier · Post by **Lord Dakier** » Sun, 3. Jan 16, 14:03

How do you take over sectors on this. I've got a trading station and EQ dock set up, but don't see any option for it.

Joubarbe · Post by **Joubarbe** » Sun, 3. Jan 16, 15:41

@Retrox : known bug. I don't think Litcube can fix that ; it has been reported several times.

@BlackArchon : because they don't

(I mean, even in Vanilla, they don't have any shield factories)

@Lord Dakier : you can't.

BlackArchon · Post by **BlackArchon** » Sun, 3. Jan 16, 17:38

About Terran shield production factories:

Joubarbe wrote:...
@BlackArchon : because they don't (I mean, even in Vanilla, they don't have any shield factories)
...

I thought immersion is an important point in LU. So when I'm asking the question "Where do all Terran ships get their shields?" and the answer is "They came out of thin air", then something isn't right.

Lord Dakier · Post by **Lord Dakier** » Sun, 3. Jan 16, 18:44

BlackArchon wrote:About Terran shield production factories:
Joubarbe wrote:...
@BlackArchon : because they don't (I mean, even in Vanilla, they don't have any shield factories)
...
I thought immersion is an important point in LU. So when I'm asking the question "Where do all Terran ships get their shields?" and the answer is "They came out of thin air", then something isn't right.

Does the STO script work with this then do you know?

jaws104 · Post by **jaws104** » Sun, 3. Jan 16, 19:06

Having problems with the station agent and my weed plex. He's only selling to nearby stations (around 15 jumps) repeatedly in very small quantities when there are empty teladi stations a bit further away

Have autojump fuel set to 100 jumps on the agent, and around 80 jumps i think on the station itself...

Its a SCH so he only has to sell

Is there some sort of leveling requirement to trade further out like UT? He's been station agent for ages so would be surprised

dizzy · Post by **dizzy** » Sun, 3. Jan 16, 19:19

jaws104 wrote:Is there some sort of leveling requirement to trade further out like UT? He's been station agent for ages so would be surprised

Yes there is a leveling requirement for both DAs and SAs. Just press "u" on your SA and you'll see the current level. Goes up to 20.

EDIT: actually, what I only meant to say is that there are levels. If this level affects the trade range I don't know (would have to look at the code) but it's possible. Other reasons your SAs might not be working as expected:
- need to have player presence in every sector where a deal might be found (ie have a satellite, station or ship in that sector)
- the sell price could be too high, press "d" on the station and adjust it and look at the number of jumps (on the rightmost column) for the nearest sale at that price
- need to have certain minimum reputation with the faction owning the station that you'd sell to (don't remember exactly what reputation level, probably better than -2)
- the cargo bay may be full or for some reason there isn't room in the cargo bay

jaws104 · Post by **jaws104** » Sun, 3. Jan 16, 19:44

Ok just checked, he's rank 20.

I have satellites in all sectors, selling 1 below normal price, loads of room in cargo. Station is rammed full of weed and have export set to above 30%

level 20 jump range for the UT on wiki it says 18 for selling. Maybe this is max for the station agent?

EDIT :: I transferred all the weed to a dock i have in a sector in middle of the map and the docking agent starting selling it in proper quantities to the empty stations... so yeah

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