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Promethium
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Post by Promethium »

BlackRain wrote:Sorry but I disagree with most of what you are saying. Highways are fine, UI isnt that bad, just needs more information and more commands and such.

Bunch of Drama Queens in my opinion. Also, you shouldn't assume people don't like the game. There are a lot of loud voices here and on steam but thousands of people bought the game, I don't see thousands of different people complaining, just a few dozen of the same people complaining. Not saying that it isn't representative of the whole, but you can't say it is either.
Drama queens. ha. I've got a brand new Haswell i7 and an extremely high-end GPU that just came out a few months ago, and I can hardly run the game at a playable FPS. Some missions are just broken, trading doesn't seem to work at all, highways are like a boring minigame or something, some people can't play the game at all, etc.

I'm thankful that I missed the deadline for alpha/beta testing by two weeks, because I'd be ashamed right now to be associated with the release of this game.

I'll be honest with you. I'm furious. I haven't been this disappointed since Stargate Worlds got mothballed. This is the last time I'll ever purchase one of Egosoft's products, and several other X veterans have said the same. We're not pulling shit out of our asses, the game is like a broken Freelancer remake that was falsely launched on the X name.

The only reason I'm not asking for a refund is because I'm not petty enough to gripe over the $45 I paid for it. Bernd warned people this wasn't X4, well thanks, but he should have warned us that this wasn't an X game, because it isn't.
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Post by Varek Raith »

They can fix every bug in the game and it still will be a hollow shell of X.
This is the problem. We all expected bugs. It's a traditional X thing. What we didn't expect was the gutting of so many fundamental features of Trade Fight Build Think.
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Post by mnut »

Meh, the game is inherently flawed and the UI is the worst thing I saw in a game since Skyrim's UI but I can't say I hate the new highways (without the minigame, I find that it cheapens the experience, like something I would find on an IPAD) and stations, I always felt that SETA was too artificial.

Anyways, if console kids can fund the real X4 I don't really have a problem with that, if they take our money and start making X mobile games then I would be somewhat disappointed, but after Bioware I have no more heart to break.
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Post by Ebyl Vampyre »

I know, the drama queens comment was pretty cute, wasn't it? It made me giggle, as did the rest of the post. Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. Some people just can't be helped. But yes, we'll definitely see what happens, and I'm quite certain it's going to be ugly for Egosoft.
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Post by jpinard »

Bernd,
My mind i honestly boggled at how you neglected to identify several design issues such as:

* Menus, text, and item selection options are microscopic on modern resolutions such as 1920x1200 and above.
* No radar?
* No way to look around the cockpit?
* Forcing us to find tiny dots on the same space station to trade different items?

It blows my mind no one at your company had the sense to speak up and say this is going to frustrate players to no end. If you don't deem the above to be a priority, then I don't think I'm your target customer anymore.

Zero situational awareness - Can you please explain why you thought that was a good idea?
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Post by BlackRain »

The problem isn't with people with bugs, the problem is with people complaining about new design features and how the game is never going to be able to be good and nothing egosoft does except for redoing everything is going to make it good. That is what I call being a drama queen. Complaining about bugs and features not working as intended is not being a drama queen, for those who were confused. Being a drama queen is acting as if your heart was just ripped out because a game didn't live up to your expectations, and yes some people are making comments like this. That is what I call a drama queen. Someone who rationally states why they don't like a game is not a drama queen. Someone who thinks the sky is going to fall, is, in my opinion.
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Post by Jumee »

jpinard wrote:* Menus, text, and item selection options are microscopic on modern resolutions such as 1920x1200 and above.
* No radar?
* Forcing us to find tiny dots on the same space station to trade different items?
these 3 I agree with, especially the first one, it is quite difficult to read anything at high resolutions and it is strange that no one realised that
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BlackRain wrote:The problem isn't with people with bugs, the problem is with people complaining about new design features and how the game is never going to be able to be good and nothing egosoft does except for redoing everything is going to make it good. That is what I call being a drama queen.
Shut up. Go play every other game in the series and then play X Rebirth and tell me that Rebirth is an X game.

It isn't. Not even close. It's a disgrace to the franchise.
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Promethium wrote:
BlackRain wrote:The problem isn't with people with bugs, the problem is with people complaining about new design features and how the game is never going to be able to be good and nothing egosoft does except for redoing everything is going to make it good. That is what I call being a drama queen.
Shut up. Go play every other game in the series and then play X Rebirth and tell me that Rebirth is an X game.

It isn't. Not even close. It's a disgrace to the franchise.
No, I am not going to shut up, sorry. Were you actually expecting me to follow your advice? That is laughable. I also disagree with your comment entirely, sorry.
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BlackRain wrote:
Promethium wrote:
BlackRain wrote:The problem isn't with people with bugs, the problem is with people complaining about new design features and how the game is never going to be able to be good and nothing egosoft does except for redoing everything is going to make it good. That is what I call being a drama queen.
Shut up. Go play every other game in the series and then play X Rebirth and tell me that Rebirth is an X game.

It isn't. Not even close. It's a disgrace to the franchise.
No, I am not going to shut up, sorry. Were you actually expecting me to follow your advice? That is laughable. I also disagree with your comment entirely, sorry.
What's laughable is that you think Rebirth has the potential to be a good X game.
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Post by jpinard »

Maybe this thread should be "cleansed" of the unhelpful stuff so the CEO can stay focused? (that would this current post too)
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Post by BlackRain »

Promethium wrote:
BlackRain wrote:
Promethium wrote:
BlackRain wrote:The problem isn't with people with bugs, the problem is with people complaining about new design features and how the game is never going to be able to be good and nothing egosoft does except for redoing everything is going to make it good. That is what I call being a drama queen.
Shut up. Go play every other game in the series and then play X Rebirth and tell me that Rebirth is an X game.

It isn't. Not even close. It's a disgrace to the franchise.
No, I am not going to shut up, sorry. Were you actually expecting me to follow your advice? That is laughable. I also disagree with your comment entirely, sorry.
What's laughable is that you think Rebirth has the potential to be a good X game.
It's time to take off the Tiara.
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Post by mnut »

Promethium wrote:
BlackRain wrote:The problem isn't with people with bugs, the problem is with people complaining about new design features and how the game is never going to be able to be good and nothing egosoft does except for redoing everything is going to make it good. That is what I call being a drama queen.
Shut up. Go play every other game in the series and then play X Rebirth and tell me that Rebirth is an X game.

It isn't. Not even close. It's a disgrace to the franchise.
That's going a little far bro, no need to become antagonistic. And yes Rebirth is an X game, just not the kind we are used to, think of it as a spin-off of another, albeit similar, genre.

There are a lot of things to hate about Rebirth, but I think we can do it in a civilized manner, we are past the age of getting angry at video games.
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Post by onewheeldoin200 »

Bernd, people are pissed because they paid full price to beta test your half-baked game. Not a good feeling.

I have no doubt that Egosoft will iron out the bugs, and maybe even tweak the trading and NPC flaws so they aren't so enraging...but that should have been done before you took people's money.

For me, between CTD's and generally very poor framerates on minimum settings, I can't even play the game I paid $50 for.
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Post by LittleJP »

Well, for one, every time I go onto a station to buy stuff, I feel the need to punch a kitten/kick a puppy/throttle a bunny.

God, I was able to deal with the old voice acting because most of it was skippable. "Show me your wares, please" is not.
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Post by LittleJP »

Well, for one, every time I go onto a station to buy stuff, I feel the need to punch a kitten/kick a puppy/throttle a bunny.

God, I was able to deal with the old voice acting because most of it was skippable. "Show me your wares, please" is not.
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Post by Playbahnosh »

onewheeldoin200 wrote:Bernd, people are pissed because they paid full price to beta test your half-baked game. Not a good feeling.
That's a notion oft repeated "we didn't pay $50 to beta-test this mess". While I completely agree with it, I sense there is something else in the background. I think Egosoft plain ran out of money and they were forced to release the game as it was, bugs and horrible decisions and all, unless they wanted face bankruptcy. Honestly, that's the only reason I can think of that would explain this horrible disaster.

Releasing bug-ridden messes is nothing new to Egosoft or the X franchine, but Rebirth went way beyond what's acceptable. X3R and TC-AP were at least basically functional and fun at release, despite all the bugs. Rebirth is just an unplayable broken mess, and I don't know if being pushed for money could be an excuse...
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Post by Lyth »

Quoting Bernd from the Trading and Mining youtube preview of Rebirth.
"Without any complicated user interface I can very quickly and easily tell the ship exactly what I would like it to do."

I would like my ships to stop following me. :(
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Post by Creston »

I'm disappointed with the game, but you guys have given your fans every reason to believe that you'll fix the most annoying things, as you've always done so in the past.

Allowing us to look at the beautiful universe you've constructed is a good step (why hide it? Let me sit there for hours and gaze at beautiful outside camera views!!), as is adding shortcut keys for targeting back, etc.

Two additional things I would like to ask for:

1) please make it easier to find docking ports on the main stations. I've spent so much time just trying to find where to dock, and it gets frustrating. Either do something simple, like change the color of the icon (to say, green or red) so it stands out more, or allow us to Comm the station and ask for docking, at which point it lights up the docking port like it used to.

2) Inside stations, please put all important NPCs (such as arms dealers, engineers etc) either on the landing pad itself, or at least near them. It makes literally zero sense that merchants would hide in a little corner office off the beaten path, in some obscure side corridor in a space station. The way the NPCs are now, it's like they're actively trying to avoid getting customers.

I don't mind the inside stuff as it does increase immersion, but having to wander around boring empty corridors trying to find a defense officer is just plain and simple NOT FUN. :(

I'm sorry the launch didn't go as we all would have liked, I'm sure you'd have far preferred a smooth one as well. However, I definitely have faith in you guys. You've never let us down yet.

Thanks for the update, Bernd. I hope you guys can hammer this thing into the game we all want it to be.
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Post by Eagle22 »

I total agree (1) no cap ships to flay (2) one playable ship and this ship is ugly as hell really UGLY. (and more)

I was so looking forward to play this game with full potential of the game
and now it is CRAP sorry CRAP for 50£ i rather spend it for the EVE online ore other better games instead of buying this game.

I wish I never bought the game I am a huge fan of X series all the X games were good i love them but the x the rebirth and limited tings in the game sucks You make me very disappoint.

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