Rebirth release date. - Part 2

elexis · Post by **elexis** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 01:49

Save the Pizzas!!

Save Egosoft!

Nikola515 · Post by **Nikola515** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 02:53

Hmm i think they are doing pretty good job so far with resources what they have and hand full of people .... They developed new game engine upgrading old engenes for X-games and releasing X3,X3TC,X3AP and at same time working on XR and updates/patches for all games and all in 5 years

If anything they are doing outstanding job... Anyway for all we know maybe game was done 2012 but now they managed to get more money and they are adding new features and make game better for us without having to pay for DLC later on and things like that

And they can't tell us anything about game and what they are doing because of Deepsilver

How would you feel if you wore doing everything in you'r ability to make something for someone and they are givig you just crap like this?

Sorry bad English

Yohandis Yololo Yum VII

jamesormiston previously wrote:I know what they've said, but they said that in 2011 too...and 2012...

eladan wrote:Reading between the lines of recent posts by ES employees, they foresee no likelihood of major delays, and are confident of release this year.

Yea... "Reading between the lines of recent posts by ES" to arrive at that conclusion is just another belief. It's just expectations and frustrations as usual.

elexis · Post by **elexis** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 03:16

There is no reading between the lines necessary. CBJ said that they are still on track to release this year. That means as far as he is aware there have been no delays that would cause the current release date to be postponed again.

Yohandis Yololo Yum VII

elexis wrote:There is no reading between the lines necessary. CBJ said that they are still on track to release this year. That means as far as he is aware there have been no delays that would cause the current release date to be postponed again.

That's my point, considering when CBJ says the marketing is DS's responsibility, it makes some people think that when DS puts XR's release date as "2011", then the following year puts it as "2012," then the following year puts it as "2013," it kind of makes it difficult to do anything but be baffled. I'm sure it clear to you. I'm just saying that to others it may not be based on simple discrepancies like that.

I'm not saying CBJ is doing anything but telling the truth. I just don't think it is so black and white of an issue.

eladan · Post by **eladan** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 03:34

Yohandis Yololo Yum VII wrote:Yea... "Reading between the lines of recent posts by ES" to arrive at that conclusion is pure assumption.

Excuse me? Pure assumption? Here are some quotes from CBJ:

CBJ wrote:What I don't have for you at this stage is an exact release date; all I can say for now is that it will be 2013.

CBJ wrote:We're still on track for a release this year.

Actually, I really don't even need to read between the lines - the language is unambiguous.

Just he, said she said (ES included).

And you place no weight on what an Egosoft dev (you know, the people who are making the game, and actually know what point they are at in development) tells you about when it might be released?

:EDIT:

Yohandis Yololo Yum VII wrote:I'm not saying CBJ is doing anything but telling the truth. I just don't think it is so black and white of an issue.

If you can find any posts from prior to the previous release dates from CBJ with anything like the language he used in the quotes I've given you, I'll concede the point. I don't think you will.

Yohandis Yololo Yum VII

eladan wrote:Excuse me? Pure assumption? Here are some quotes from CBJ:
CBJ wrote:What I don't have for you at this stage is an exact release date; all I can say for now is that it will be 2013.

CBJ wrote:We're still on track for a release this year.
Actually, I really don't even need to read between the lines - the language is unambiguous.
Just he, said she said (ES included).
And you place no weight on what an Egosoft dev (you know, the people who are making the game, and actually know what point they are at in development) tells you about when it might be released?

There is no need to be snarky, ok? I don't appreciate you insinuating that I don't even know who is developing the game. Obviously I found this forum (maybe I just have dumb luck). I like adult conversations, please. I edited my post before I saw this comment because assumption was the wrong word. But yes, I'm saying there is a conflict that can lead people into confusion. That's all I'm pointing out, so no need to have a cow. It's just my opinion.

I do not disagree with you that CBJ's language is unambiguous. But CBJ is not the only authority on XR. People also listen to the marketing firm that ES points the finger at so often. Read my post after the one you commented on; you only have half the story here.

Yohandis Yololo Yum VII wrote:I'm not saying CBJ is doing anything but telling the truth. I just don't think it is so black and white of an issue.

eladan wrote:If you can find any posts from prior to the previous release dates from CBJ with anything like the language he used in the quotes I've given you, I'll concede the point. I don't think you will.

This is irrelevant given the above (there are other authoritative voices besides CBJ - ex. DS).

Similarly, your point fails to address my argument, which is simply that there is a basis for people to be confused. I will not restate my argument as it is available above (previous page).

eladan · Post by **eladan** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 04:08

Yohandis Yololo Yum VII wrote:There is no need to be snarky, ok? I don't appreciate you insinuating that I don't even know who is developing the game.

And I don't appreciate being told I'm making baseless assumptions.

I do not disagree with you that CBJ's language is unambiguous. But CBJ is not the only authority on XR. People also listen to the marketing firm that ES points the finger at so often. Read my post after the one you commented on; you only have half the story here.

CBJ, being a dev, is a pretty damn good authority. Sure, DS sets the release date, but they obviously can't and don't do it without advice from Egosoft.

Egosoft say it will be released in 2013. I don't think it likely that DS would then sit on the game, releasing it six months later. In fact, it would be utterly shocking if they didn't release it immediately it was ready. So, I think it's reasonable to say that if Egosoft says it will be released this year, it's far more likely than not that it will be released this year.

Similarly, your point fails to address my argument, which is simply that there is a basis for people to be confused. I will not restate my argument as it is available above.

Again, if you can point me to any posts by CBJ or other Egosoft authority saying the game "will be released in 2011" or "will be released in 2012", I'll concede the point. Otherwise, I'm not confused at all, and I don't see why anyone else would be.

Frostnads · Post by **Frostnads** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 05:06

Actually,....... I believe CBJ. Why complicate?

...when KISS is the best motto
Φροντίστε να είναι απλή ηλίθιο

Fallent · Post by **Fallent** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 05:26

You are all talking about it being released "this year"....

Hell, I'm dissapointed we didn't get it for this Christmas, as I thought was the general hope of most people in this forum...

BUT NEXT CHRISTMAS? You've got to be kidding me. That's a massive delay! It's only the start of March! I want an March/April release date, not a few days before 2014! I guess I've exhausted my optimism and patience stage, and moved on to the "just release it already" stage.

theeclownbroze · Post by **theeclownbroze** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 05:39

i'm pretty sure the game will be released somewhere in may.

and the marketing campaign starts somewhere is march.

Sibilantae · Post by **Sibilantae** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 05:43

Oh come on.

2011: "Hey guys, next game is in development, it's called X Rebirth. Here's a video and some screenshots. Should be released soon."

2012: "Hey guys, some more screenshots - it's looking like 2012 now."

2013: "Can't really talk right now, we're developing the game we announced before. 2013 hopefully, but again, no guarantees."

How does this translate as "HEY GUYS WE'RE ABOUT TO RELEASE THE NEXT GAME BUT LOL WE'RE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING"?

I think that's the only time I've ever caps-locked on this forum. The mind-blowingly projective assumptions some people are making about this is embarrassing.

edit: in fairness this seems to be less prevalent recently. I think L&P is making me inexplicably angry >.>

StarSword · Post by **StarSword** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 06:02

I think something klohunt3r posted in the Steam thread a few months back says it all:
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Frankly I think the best thing to happen to this thread since the blackout began was when I jokingly asked Egosoft to confirm they weren't dead and they came back with that collective Portal shout-out.

CBJ and a dozen other Egosoft guys wrote:I'm still alive.

Gave us something else to talk about for a little while, at least.

I'm with CBJ: Star Citizen and Project Eternity have spoiled fans.

theeclownbroze · Post by **theeclownbroze** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 06:14

ok guys and gals we are going to call the information blackout the "dark age incident" D.A.I

happy dai's

pun intended

grbaker · Post by **grbaker** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 07:18

I like the old days when you first heard about a game on its release date or when you spotted a disk or CD in the game shop.

You may have picked up on a few rumors in the various PC gaming mags but no Internet meant no mass, ill-informed, guesstimations and BS.

All at Egosoft.. done when done is fine by me.

True information wets the appetite but so does a good beer.

kilerkg · Post by **kilerkg** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 09:22

grbaker wrote:I like the old days when you first heard about a game on its release date or when you spotted a disk or CD in the game shop.

You may have picked up on a few rumors in the various PC gaming mags but no Internet meant no mass, ill-informed, guesstimations and BS.

All at Egosoft.. done when done is fine by me.

True information wets the appetite but so does a good beer.

Couldn't have said it better myself

Everyone is being far too spoiled by games that are released at alpha/beta as well as funding projects such as kickstarter. It's making everyone feel like they are entitled to know exactly what is happening all time, just wait for the game to be released. What difference is it honestly going to make if they release a screenshot, people will just complain and what more just like they did when screenshot of the week was a thing.

Notchi · Post by **Notchi** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 09:37

I took a look at the egosoft youtube page. They have published the x3:tc THINK, TRADE and BUILD trailers around a month before the game was published ( in EU ). Trailers early september, game mid october. I hope that they will follow the same approach with X:R. I guess we can probably expect the game in october.

ES, will you update the sticky's with some quality info when you get the marketing for the game starts ?

EDIT:

kilerkg wrote:Couldn't have said it better myself Everyone is being far too spoiled by games that are released at alpha/beta as well as funding projects such as kickstarter. It's making everyone feel like they are entitled to know exactly what is happening all time, just wait for the game to be released. What difference is it honestly going to make if they release a screenshot, people will just complain and what more just like they did when screenshot of the week was a thing.

Everyone is spoiled by the normal part of game marketing for the last 10 years ? The thing about screenshots is that they are only showing the obvious. And that is that the graphics in 2011/12 ( when they were taken) is better than the one in 2008( and 11 for AP). It showed a general art direction for the ships, and that all is fine. But people under some strange disillusion ( like the release dates of 2011, 2012) expected to get the info about the stuff that really matter. Like changes in UI, sector set up ( not 199 c/p sectors), pilot animations, voice acting changes(heeee yaaaaaaaaaa), quest improvements, economy improvements, fleet management, ship supply changes ... and so on. Egosoft right now has a lot of years in development of space games, and hopefully they will make an impact in the genre with this title ( or in case they fail... we can always count RSI to save the day).

Post by **Cycrow** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 10:08

Fallent wrote:You are all talking about it being released "this year"....

Hell, I'm dissapointed we didn't get it for this Christmas, as I thought was the general hope of most people in this forum...

BUT NEXT CHRISTMAS? You've got to be kidding me. That's a massive delay! It's only the start of March! I want an March/April release date, not a few days before 2014! I guess I've exhausted my optimism and patience stage, and moved on to the "just release it already" stage.

the only person to blame for your assumptions is yourself. There was never anything offical about releasing it last christmas, you just assumed it would happen.

you are also assuming that the game is not going to be released until the end of the year. Again nothing offical has confirmed this.

going on the previous games, its likly the game will be released a month or 2 after the marketing starts. As it hasn't started yet, it will likly not be out in march, and april would be pushing it i think.

im sure if the game was released now and was really buggy/unplayable, you would be the first to complain about it

Athraku · Post by **Athraku** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 10:47

Cycrow wrote:
Fallent wrote:You are all talking about it being released "this year"....

Hell, I'm dissapointed we didn't get it for this Christmas, as I thought was the general hope of most people in this forum...

BUT NEXT CHRISTMAS? You've got to be kidding me. That's a massive delay! It's only the start of March! I want an March/April release date, not a few days before 2014! I guess I've exhausted my optimism and patience stage, and moved on to the "just release it already" stage.
the only person to blame for your assumptions is yourself. There was never anything offical about releasing it last christmas, you just assumed it would happen.

you are also assuming that the game is not going to be released until the end of the year. Again nothing offical has confirmed this.

going on the previous games, its likly the game will be released a month or 2 after the marketing starts. As it hasn't started yet, it will likly not be out in march, and april would be pushing it i think.

im sure if the game was released now and was really buggy/unplayable, you would be the first to complain about it

That's kind of not true... the official release year has been post on the egosoft site and has changed as the date has come and gone, it only makes sense that people would get frustrated as yet another date is gone lol.

I think your point is valid that a game released before its ready will cause more harm than good maybe they should set slightly more realistic... umm years for a release, better yet just leave it as "To be announced".

I don't know that's just my two cents.

kilerkg · Post by **kilerkg** » Fri, 1. Mar 13, 11:17

Notchi wrote: Everyone is spoiled by the normal part of game marketing for the last 10 years ? The thing about screenshots is that they are only showing the obvious. And that is that the graphics in 2011/12 ( when they were taken) is better than the one in 2008( and 11 for AP). It showed a general art direction for the ships, and that all is fine. But people under some strange disillusion ( like the release dates of 2011, 2012) expected to get the info about the stuff that really matter. Like changes in UI, sector set up ( not 199 c/p sectors), pilot animations, voice acting changes(heeee yaaaaaaaaaa), quest improvements, economy improvements, fleet management, ship supply changes ... and so on. Egosoft right now has a lot of years in development of space games, and hopefully they will make an impact in the genre with this title ( or in case they fail... we can always count RSI to save the day).

If they tell us everything now what do you expect them to tell us in the marketing campaign and honestly I would prefer to find out a lot of details for my self in game by exploring the game myself not to be told everything on the forums before the release.

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Rebirth release date. - Part 2