Israel War

[EGO_Aut]

More ships attacked with drones and missiles including a US destroyer. Some ships were hit with drones/missiles and might sink?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... from-yemen

Anti Israel news celebrate that the USS Carney is sunk or at least heavily damaged.
Pro Israel news didn´t say nothing

Shame on Yemen and the never ending conflicts.

[Chips]

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If you want to read the entire article for yourself, I am afraid you will have to find a way to access it.

Thanks, that helps!

Browser settings -> Javascript, turn off sites can use Javascript. Open new tab for https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/worl ... ticleShare - read without any issues.... obligatory -> "Profit"

[Observe]

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If you want to read the entire article for yourself, I am afraid you will have to find a way to access it.

Thanks, that helps!

Browser settings -> Javascript, turn off sites can use Javascript. Open new tab for https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/worl ... ticleShare - read without any issues.... obligatory -> "Profit"

Another way is to go to https://archive.vn/ and paste the url of interest into search field. My understanding is that this is legal because even paywall sites are considered in the public domain and it is legal to "archive" them. Anyway, it always (almost) works for me.

[fiksal]

Browser settings -> Javascript, turn off sites can use Javascript. Open new tab for https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/worl ... ticleShare - read without any issues.... obligatory -> "Profit"

huh, well that's just lazy web development

[clakclak]

so that's agreed act of war?

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If you want to read the entire article for yourself, I am afraid you will have to find a way to access it.

Thanks, that helps!

I am not sure if that is a sarcastic thanks or not. I am assuming sarcasm.

[fiksal]

so that's agreed act of war?

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If you want to read the entire article for yourself, I am afraid you will have to find a way to access it.

Thanks, that helps!

I am not sure if that is a sarcastic thanks or not. I am assuming sarcasm.

actually in this specific case this was not as this was a good summary)

[EGO_Aut]

Israel military says 2 civilians killed for every Hamas militant is a ‘tremendously positive’ ratio given combat challenges ........

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/05/midd ... index.html

[Chips]

Israel military says 2 civilians killed for every Hamas militant is a ‘tremendously positive’ ratio given combat challenges ........

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/05/midd ... index.html

Of course it's tremendously positive. It's not *their* civilians. If they had to sacrifice 15000 Israelis to kill 7500 Hamas militants, they may think it's not as positive.

Then again, some think there is no way they could not know about the impending attack on October 7th, given Hamas literally trained in plain view for everything for 2 years. So maybe they did view a certain number of Israeli citizen deaths as "tremendously positive".

It's all comfort for the bereaved families I'm sure.

[Observe]

The original sin was the creation of the State of Israel, without regard for the Palestinians who already lived there and who's homes and land was stolen in exchange for interminable prison camps. Short of dismantling the State of Israel there is no realistic outcome that will serve the cause of justice in terms of righting past wrongs. Hamas must be obliterated, but the problem is, to do that effectively, most Palestinians would also need to be eliminated. That strategy is just as bereft as the idea of elimination all Jews. Probably, a two-state solution is the only way to begin resolution.

I would suggest, that half of the GNP of Israel (200 billion) should go to building a Palestinian State that would provide a standard of living that would be acceptable to Jews themselves. No more Israelis living in the lap of luxury, while surrounded by prison camps populated by those who the Jews displaced when they stole the land and murdered the people.

[fiksal]

who would be able to accomplish such a feat

[EGO_Aut]

who would be able to accomplish such a feat

Who gives money to Israel?

[fiksal]

who would be able to accomplish such a feat

Who gives money to Israel?

who? I am sure several countries do

if you mean US I don't think US alone can fix the region, or knows how.

[notaterran]

Judging by the civilian death toll, I agree with the assessment that Israel's war crimes are making things worse in the long term. For example the U.S. and Russia have experience with conflicts that cannot be won militarily.

It doesn't help that this Netanyahu character is bringing religion into the mix:

“We will realise the prophecy of Isaiah 60:18 – ‘Violence shall no more be heard in your land’.”

The biblical verse refers to a holy city of Zion being created in Israel for an oppressed people.

“Light will defeat darkness,” he added.

Link

[mr.WHO]

Aparently Turkey consider re-settlement of 250k Gaza Palestinians to Norther Cyprus and Turkey Kurdish regions...what can possibly go wrong here?

[chew-ie]

Aparently Turkey consider re-settlement of 250k Gaza Palestinians to Norther Cyprus and Turkey Kurdish regions...what can possibly go wrong here?

It's just disgusting how Erdogan exploits human suffering for his agenda -.-

[EGO_Aut]

45.000 tank grenades for 500.000.000 US $ ca. 11.000 US $ per Grenade?

US Biden wants to dirty bomb Gaza with Merkava tanks, or what will they do? Sounds like Uranium Ammo to me, but where are the enemy tanks. Israel neighborhood has a ridicolous army with donkeys and horses but no "tanks"....

[Alan Phipps]

Be careful as different countries understand the term 'grenade' differently. To me those would likely be concealing smoke grenades for the turret side launchers and not main armament rounds. Hence more a defence against ambush by soldiers with anti-tank missiles/RPGs of various sorts. Yes, the price tag does seem high for tank smoke grenades, however fast-blooming, IR screening, or relatively persistent.

[JSDD]

Judging by the civilian death toll, I agree with the assessment that Israel's war crimes are making things worse in the long term. For example the U.S. and Russia have experience with conflicts that cannot be won militarily.

It doesn't help that this Netanyahu character is bringing religion into the mix:

“We will realise the prophecy of Isaiah 60:18 – ‘Violence shall no more be heard in your land’.”

The biblical verse refers to a holy city of Zion being created in Israel for an oppressed people.

“Light will defeat darkness,” he added.

Link

what israel is doing now is creating hatred and disgust in each and every palestinian, hatred against israel and their very guts
"For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind" ... (like that goes the saying, i think)

regarding usa and russia: they didnt have religious Xtremists in their rows, civilians posing as military men, terrorizing the people at the (current) "border"
those jewish Xtremists evict palestinians from their land (at the current west bank / or "border" if you want)
with israeli military backing them up IF something should go wrong (perhaps palestinians grabbing some arms and start defending themselves)
currently nobody is helping those helpless palestinians to defend themselves, quite on the contrary, the whole west is backing israel

the right way to solve this mess (i think) once and for all is, to flood palestine with arms and ammo, just give everybody (man, woman, child) a gun and let'em fight it out
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
... i think whats good for america cant be that bad for palestine ...

imagine some armed jewish Xtremist coming onto your property, saying: "hey, you have to leave this place, this is now military security zone"
when resonding "why is this now security zone and why do i have to leave MY property?" and getting the answer "this are orders" ... what you gonna do?
--> in case you are well armed, you have the option to do something against this outlandish claim by those intruders ...

/// thats not a wild dream i've had yesterday ... its documented fact what is happening these days in the west bank
(i think it was ARTE where i saw the documentary ... on youtube)

[EGO_Aut]

@JSDD
This would speed up the genozid even more "legal".
Palestinians can not win, they are doomed.

Only international sanctions, with or without US, could help them! Remember S-Africa, they still would be ruled by white men...and treat the black like slaves.

[fiksal]

a gun and let'em fight it out

I don't see how the outcome will be better


if the goal is peace then the steps should be towards creating independent states, and making terrorists, extremists, war criminals accountable.

there's no such peace with Hamas for example