Egosoft please reinstate classic bore-sight fire/steering

[akeelah]

I just wanted to chime in and say that we are reading the feedback here.
I already poked DocAce about implementing the shift+n behaviour. Sadly its not trivial to add, he said, otherwise it would have been already in.

Time will tell when we can take a look at it again. Trying to get it on a list somewehere!

Yes, thanks for the reply. After many years away from the X games and this Forum, I decided to give X4 a try. I must concur with the OP that the "classic bore-sight" flight mechanics are very much missed. Small-ship dog-fighting used to be one of the most enjoyable aspects of the game, but not so much now. It's a pity.

Please, bring it back!

[DJC]

I have copied and pasted this post from one I left at viewtopic.php?f=146&t=413180&p=4838338#p4838338
"Egosoft
All these things are great and I applaud you for your continuance to update and upgrade.
But I see no evidence in this update (1.60) or in the future updates that you list, that you
have any intention of reinstating "Classic Bore-sight steering/fire" as requested by many of us
long time players. Just to show one example "Link to this post was here"
for me it's been 14+ years . Can you please inform us of your intentions for this in the future "

I hope the answer I get is a positive one for those of us who want this back

[Helken Mootyflops]

You can add my request here.

I am predominantly on hotas and kb, but I sometimes like to use the mouse and I am avoiding that right now. I am dreading the day when I play eg on a laptop away from home (as I did with the previous games for many happy hours) because I just don't find it enjoyable to use the mouse like this.

[Horux]

For me is the big problem with current mouse flight mode is, that You always have to remember to deactivate the flight mode. Because the ship is always turning, if You do not deactivate mouse flight mode or after returning from map mode. Also it was very nice to fly in spirals at the enemy, this is almost no more possible with this mode.

[DJC]

Dear Egosoft,
Let me be the first to say THANK YOU
I had lost hope that you would do this. I am glad to see that I was wrong.
I have not played the game since I first tried and am looking forward to trying
it out with the new settings. It looks like a great game.
I hope you have integrated it in just as it was in the old games.
Keep up the good work with all that you have done to address the worries of the Players.
You have restored this longtime supporters faith, again THANK YOU

[radcapricorn]

Dear Egosoft,
Let me be the first to say THANK YOU

You were not first
Sorry, I just had to do this.

[DJC]

This is in response to my Thank You Egosoft post.

Well much to my dismay it seams that the requested control of this Topic
Implemented in 2.20 Was not implemented the same way as in the X Games
that preceded it. For some reason you still cant map the left mouse button
for firing or anything for that matter. Maybe this is due to its use for the
menu, even though there should be no conflict between the two. It was possible
in the previous games. I know I mentioned mapping the "right mouse button" in
this topic, an apparent typo by me, But I still referred to the "left mouse button" for
bore-sight fire in the same sentence. While mapping the "middle mouse button"
can take the place of the Fire option, it is still not the same. However I would probably
not be complaining about this if it were the only issue. Whenever you go to the in game
menu or anyplace that stops you from flying (ie any menu, leaving the ship) the
control goes back to default. So you have to turn it back on again this can get
rather tedious during flight or in a battle. It really feels like this was just tossed
back in with out thought just to appease those of us that wanted this option reinstated.
I would ask that you please fix the "going back to default" issue as well as letting us map
the "LEFT" mouse button.

Before I go I would like to say that even though I am disappointed with the out come of this
Fix I am, as I am sure others are as well, happy with your diligence to fix issues as best and as fast
as you can.

[DiveBomberDave]

I'm trying to get back into this game but this defaulting to indirect controlling is driving me mad, everytime I go into any menu my controls go haywire and I have to shift-N again to regain control.

I expect as this last post is 2 years ago thats it's unlikely to be fixed although there has been many patches since so adding a dropdown/radio button/checkbox in the settings for a default control style has been very do-able.

As an X player since X2 I just can't understand why this option has been taken away when Egosoft has such a loyal band of followers like myself.

Please, please Egosoft, please give us an option to set our default flight control style.

[DJC]

I'm trying to get back into this game but this defaulting to indirect controlling is driving me mad, everytime I go into any menu my controls go haywire and I have to shift-N again to regain control.

I expect as this last post is 2 years ago thats it's unlikely to be fixed although there has been many patches since so adding a dropdown/radio button/checkbox in the settings for a default control style has been very do-able.

As an X player since X2 I just can't understand why this option has been taken away when Egosoft has such a loyal band of followers like myself.

Please, please Egosoft, please give us an option to set our default flight control style.

I haven't touched the game since my last post here. I to have been playing since X2. It is really hard to believe that they won't implement this seeming small fix that so many want or would like. I personally have lost faith that they will ever do anything about it. At last glance, I believe, I found that a joystick (an old side winder I have lying around) has the exact operation that we are looking for (been a long time so not really sure) why that can't be implemented on a mouse is beyond my understanding. I'm a mouse & keyboard player and switching to a joystick just wont work for me at this time.

So it sits and collects dust, I know its a download Its just a figure of speech. So they got my money, I guess that is all that matters.

[JoeVN09]

I rebound Shift+N or whatever it was to middle mouse button, and have been using two side buttons on my mouse for weapons fire (and long-range scan). I haven't tried binding left and right clicks to that purpose as I'm too used to having them for the contextual menus now, but rebinding the mouse steering key made a huge difference to my game. Would be super nice to have it default to classic mouse steering when you're out of the map, but it's not a dealbreaker when that control's still on my mouse.

[DiveBomberDave]

I...

I haven't touched the game since my last post here. I to have been playing since X2. It is really hard to believe that they won't implement this seeming small fix that so many want or would like. I personally have lost faith that they will ever do anything about it. At last glance, I believe, I found that a joystick (an old side winder I have lying around) has the exact operation that we are looking for (been a long time so not really sure) why that can't be implemented on a mouse is beyond my understanding. I'm a mouse & keyboard player and switching to a joystick just wont work for me at this time.

I hear you mate, I haven't used a joystick since my Commodore 64. Since I've been using Windows OS the mouse has been the joystick as a substitute and quite franklyI have no interest in buying a joystick just for X4 that I'm not sure I like. Last time I played X4 my save game counted only 4 days 15 hours of gameplay before I'd had enough compared to completing most plots including vanilla hub plot in X3, I think that game worked out to about 6 months solid play 24/7 (i.e. hours/24/7/4.?).

I'm thinking tonight I'll play with standard controls, some people like X4 better than X3, it can't be that they all just want to stand next to an AI pilot and give him orders through the map, there must be a way to make this system actually work in a dogfight.

So it sits and collects dust, I know its a download Its just a figure of speech. So they got my money, I guess that is all that matters.

Yes well, I'm thinking about buying the 2 expansions and I'm not doing that unless I can make the foundation work, they already have my $ for X:Rebirth and X4 niether I feel I've got my moneys worth.

[DiveBomberDave]

I rebound Shift+N or whatever it was to middle mouse button, and have been using two side buttons on my mouse for weapons fire (and long-range scan). I haven't tried binding left and right clicks to that purpose as I'm too used to having them for the contextual menus now, but rebinding the mouse steering key made a huge difference to my game. Would be super nice to have it default to classic mouse steering when you're out of the map, but it's not a dealbreaker when that control's still on my mouse.

Good idea I'll try that, sounds slightly less immersion breaking

[DJC]

Well, I'm Back.
The reason for this post was the primary reason I stopped playing this game but eventually it got updated right out of my PC's Specs.
Imagine my surprise, after a long argument with myself if I should try this game again, I find the game and the above-mentioned Mechanic the way
they are today.

I want to thank you,
After many hours of playing I am finally learning how to play this game again. Thanks to the return of the above mentioned mechanic.
I have purchased all the DLC and eagerly await the release of the Kingdome End update. The improvements and additions are outstanding.
While I miss the old X games this one feels like/reminds me of X2 to some extent. AH if only I could fly through or inside an asteroid again.

There are a few things I need to open a new thread for but all in all great job.! Thank you.

[Falcrack]

There are a few things I need to need to open a new thread for but all in all great job.! Thank you.

Welcome back! Hopefully the mods don't get too annoyed with the necro.