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Anyone see the first episode of the 'snatched by aliens and returned' mini series on Sky? It's a bit like 'Taken' (down to having the same guy starring, The Great Actor Famine obviously beginning to bite in the USA).

Now, with all the drama inherent in a comet on a near approach to the earth, and given that in this day and age it's actually possible to get an education, learn some bloody facts, why do scriptwriters do crap like this.

The comet has changed course and is heading for Earth at 3000 miles per second.

I paraphrase ever so slightly.


Anonymous Military Drone (watching screen): The Chinese have launched their missiles. (see missile traces on screen)

AMD 2: 'We're launching our Type 2's" (JFC, at least go to the trouble of googling some real missile names) (More missile tracks on screen)

AMD 1: There goes the French and the Russians!

Cut to outside and view of bright light in sky: Missile trails heading towards it.

AMD 1: Impact in two minutes.

Cut to outside, whole lot of bangs and flahes.

AMD 2: No effect.

Cut to shot of bright light sweeping round the moon and heading to Earth :evil: .

Whisky Tango Foxtrot?

Listen morons. Giant spacecraft or comets on a collision course for Earth, are, by their very nature, dramatic events. You don't damn well need to ignore the laws of physics (and if I need to explain why the above scenario is 97 or so different shades of intelligence insulting crap, walk away quietly now :wink: ) to squeeze a tiny bit of tension into it.

If you can't then you should be offering coke with that, not doing something most of us here would give at least somebody's eye teeth for. And do it better.

And while i'm ranting, surely it is possible to write a story of this type (Taken, I'm looking at you here too!) without some creepy wise-ass little girl in it?
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personaly found it yet another piece of ohh look superpowered normal looking people crap. same category as Rosswell, Highlander the series and countless other dross shows that have graced our screens.

Personaly steve I just don't bother expecting anything that resembles decent script writing or plot, my expectations are far too low these days.
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I saw it too and it made me cringe in places, the thing was so hyped up by sky you'd think it were the ultimate in sci-fi - sorry, no.

I get frustrated with stargate. Early episodes and series were good, the whole Gouuld thing was actually quite cool if a bit cheesy but as of late there just arnt the story lines, if Star Trek can keep coming up with the goods and get better as the later series come out why cant everything else, its like the x-files. They just run out of decent stories.

Nevermind the cylons are on tonight and they always raise a smile, great looking robots there (and I ain't talking about the walking toasters) :wink:
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Avis wrote: Personaly steve I just don't bother expecting anything that resembles decent script writing or plot, my expectations are far too low these days.
I heard that. I just find it so frustrating. My pet hate of all time was in one of the later batman movies where somebody is stealing a safe by helicopter, dragging it away and the safe, which you can see is a thin walled steel cylinder, dangling from ropes, starts filling up from water. WTF is it coming from?

And when Batman later saved a plummeting Robin by cunningly falling faster than him, I had to be physically restrained.

It's like we can either have decent plots that make sense or special effects. Why can't we, to go out on a wild and crazy limb, follow at your own peril, HAVE BOTH?? :twisted:

I get so stressed by this because I feel like they're taking the piss out of dumb hicks that won't know any different.

I blame child-centred education. If it was centred around badgers or some other nocturnal mammal like it obviously should be we wouldn't be having this problem. :P
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Blame the Buffy generation ;-)

what ? you watched batman movies,, dear oh dear,, you were asking for trouble really,, no sympathy :D
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Avis wrote:Blame the Buffy generation ;-)

what ? you watched batman movies,, dear oh dear,, you were asking for trouble really,, no sympathy :D
*throws a stick at Avis*

Buffy/Angel was actually more intelligent than a lot of rubbish still running amok.
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Post by KiwiNZ »

Too true, Steve. It is a real shame that scriptwriters either appear to have lost any sense for physics or alternatively, never understood the stuff at school in the first place. :(
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Physics... that's that stuff that Half Life 2 invented, right?

*runs out door*
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Call me shallow but I never bothered watching it simply because the little girl they used to front the adverts/previews irritated me so much. :shock:
If you can`t dazzle them with dynamics, then baffle them with bullsh*t :D
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Sir Crashalot wrote:Call me shallow but I never bothered watching it simply because the little girl they used to front the adverts/previews irritated me so much. :shock:
:thumb_up: good call, and good intuition

unfortunately my fate is sealed, the wife watches every piece of garbage thats on TV so no doubt this crap will be on to annoy me :-(

I know very poor show for a Galactic Emperor,, but fire, brimstone and 20 skywalkers is prefrable to being the one to say 'NO THIS IS *&%ING *(^%(*(* ) :-(
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Sir Crashalot wrote:Call me shallow but I never bothered watching it simply because the little girl they used to front the adverts/previews irritated me so much. :shock:
No, that's being prescient. Not every damn show has to have a bloody kid in it. :evil:

I blame Margaret Thatcher, Steven Speilberg and God.
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Avis wrote:personaly found it yet another piece of ohh look superpowered normal looking people crap. same category as Rosswell, Highlander the series and countless other dross shows that have graced our screens.

Personaly steve I just don't bother expecting anything that resembles decent script writing or plot, my expectations are far too low these days.
Or as I call it: Sci-Fi-Lite.

A tenuous sci-fi plot to hook people, but the plots are actually written by people who want to write drama or films, so they are as mainstream as possible, with a slight sci-fi bent.

e.g. Highlander the series, 50% of the plots are an enemy imortal who has killed someone or stolen something, McCloud saves the day. Only fnatasy element is the quickening at the end after the decapitation scene.

The other 50% of the plots are a regular guy who has killed someone or stolen something, and McCloud must save the day etc...

Same goes for Quantum Leap, Oddyssy 5, War Of The Worlds the tv series and loads of others. As soon as the enemies can suddenly take human form you know it is going to be cheap, mainstream. Like Wonder Woman's invisible plane (No budget of a visible plane).
"I've got a bad feeling about this!" Harrison Ford, 5 times a year, trying to land his plane.
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Post by pjknibbs »

See

http://www.badastronomy.com/

for a lexicon of such errors and poor plotting in SF shows.

However, I think you have to go a long way to beat the complete disregard for physics exhibited in Star Trek: Generations. They launch what appears to be a conventional rocket from a planet's surface and it takes 11 seconds to reach the nearest star? Furthermore, when it DOES reach said star and cause it to go kablooey, the effects are seen IMMEDIATELY back on the planet's surface?
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pjknibbs wrote:
However, I think you have to go a long way to beat the complete disregard for physics exhibited in Star Trek: Generations. They launch what appears to be a conventional rocket from a planet's surface and it takes 11 seconds to reach the nearest star? Furthermore, when it DOES reach said star and cause it to go kablooey, the effects are seen IMMEDIATELY back on the planet's surface?
sheesh paul you of all people should know about the subspace harmonic takyons that carried the light from the exploding sun via a subspace conduit to the atmosphere of the said planet so the effect was it was all instantly visible :roll: and the rocket had an alien designed inversion tatriok capacitor that accelerated the rocket beyond 22 paramouels a second thus it only took 11 seconds ;-)
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Jericho wrote:
Avis wrote:personaly found it yet another piece of ohh look superpowered normal looking people crap. same category as Rosswell, Highlander the series and countless other dross shows that have graced our screens.

Personaly steve I just don't bother expecting anything that resembles decent script writing or plot, my expectations are far too low these days.
Or as I call it: Sci-Fi-Lite.

A tenuous sci-fi plot to hook people, but the plots are actually written by people who want to write drama or films, so they are as mainstream as possible, with a slight sci-fi bent.
Think you're giving a bit of false praise there!

They aspire to be soap opera writers, but failed.

And if EastEnders turned you down, well...
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Post by Urashima Keitaro »

You HAVE no hope at writing scripts. Of course if you think those scripts are good now, <shudder>...

Walking away, walking away, their madness disturbs me... :lol:
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Post by Sir Crashalot »

Maybe they should hire the WWE Smackdown scriptwriters. :roll: :lol:
If you can`t dazzle them with dynamics, then baffle them with bullsh*t :D
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Post by Sir Crashalot »

LOL

I just caught the beginning on the repeat showing tonight and saw the bit with the missiles and the comet.

Can`t be bothered to watch any more. :shock:

Daft sods. :roll: :lol:
If you can`t dazzle them with dynamics, then baffle them with bullsh*t :D
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Post by SteveMill »

Sir Crashalot wrote:LOL

I just caught the beginning on the repeat showing tonight and saw the bit with the missiles and the comet.

Can`t be bothered to watch any more. :shock:

Daft sods. :roll: :lol:
Yes - I didn't watch the second episode. The irritating thing is that comets about to strike the earth are by their nature somewhat dramatic. :wink:

It does not need to be hyped up by ignoring the laws of physics. Dammit - if you must have shots of missiles hitting things and comets swinging around the moon, just show the bloody moon shot first THEN the interception.

Okay - it's still scientific nonsense but several orders of magnitude less - it's almost within the bounds of dramatic license.

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