I did something to VIG and want to reconcile...

[hairoom]

I removed them from entire map only leaving them 4 stations to exist.

Well... that was my counter action for part of 'memory optimization' to reduce some lag and frame drop.

But quite a while after i did some 'memory optimization', i realized that want shih and barbarossa BP.

And i suppose 'reconcile' from -30 to +10 or +20 rep will take some time.

At least there is way, time is not important. i did it to all major factions(yeah literally all of them from -30 to +30)

Normally, lure some xenon or khaak from boundary of sector and kill them near one faction's station will help 'reconcile'.

But, VIG and RIP(ok i confess. i did it to them too...) seems quite different than other factions.

Interestingly, this 'reconcile' method seems not working to those two factions i suppose...

I did lured some xenon and khaak but it didn't work well.

Please someone prove me wrong or other guys are experiencing same situation(especially at -30 rep with them) as well?

Maybe Diplomacy update could help...? then i need to just herd them until the update i suppose...

[z1ppeh]

Take some really slow ships to their station range. Sell them to a VIG/RIP enemy, kill them.

You may suffer some minor rep loss from the toher faction but your aim is to raise VIG/RIP. They have no criminals spawning on their station so you will need to do this to -9 and then trade with them

[hairoom]

Take some really slow ships to their station range. Sell them to a VIG/RIP enemy, kill them.

You may suffer some minor rep loss from the toher faction but your aim is to raise VIG/RIP. They have no criminals spawning on their station so you will need to do this to -9 and then trade with them

Well i tried with selling my behemoth to MIN but its not working... if it need to work, it should have work at xenon and khaak cases... but thanks for inspiration...

[adeine]

It's not reasonably possible.

You can get VIG missions from station scans in neighbouring TEL sectors, which does raise your rep, but it's so little at a time it would take forever considering how long scanning for a mission can drag on. What's worse is that as you do this, VIG will start to rebuild and likely suicide their ships against your assets travelling in the area, which will instantly undo any progress you may make.

[Casishur]

That was the worst programming decision in my eyes, to make it only possible via signal leak missions, with a shockingly low reputation gain.
I've given up on doing anything about it.

I only hope it gets better with the Diplomacy update.

I don't think so......

[adeine]

Maybe. Though what I really hope for is that alongside the diplomacy update they fix the problem with eliminating non-Xenon factions where any allied faction will rebuild them from zero. It's incredibly silly that RIP want VIG bad so badly that they throw all their resources at them and the rest of the game is spent playing whac-a-mole with VIG shipyard/wharf construction sites.

Something along these lines for a simple solution:

Ability to Totally Destroy a faction without them Necroing back to life after all their ships and stations have been destroyed. Any associated mission from the dead faction will also be disabled and unavailable to the player due to faction destruction.

I've been thinking about this, and a simple yet effective solution might be to change it so when a faction has no sector ownership left they cannot hire builders from other factions except their own and the player.

This would allow the player to nurse a faction back to health from 0 if they're allied, but avoid factions from being in perpetual cockroach mode unless you wipe out literally every faction they're not hostile with.

[hairoom]

It's not reasonably possible.

You can get VIG missions from station scans in neighbouring TEL sectors, which does raise your rep, but it's so little at a time it would take forever considering how long scanning for a mission can drag on. What's worse is that as you do this, VIG will start to rebuild and likely suicide their ships against your assets travelling in the area, which will instantly undo any progress you may make.

i don't worry about that.

put some of my ship until docking bay are full and they can't produce anything

i'll try signal leak by the way...

[jlehtone]

"Normal" faction has civilian traffic around stations and some of them are "criminals". These factions reward kills of criminals with reputation. VIG is not such a faction. Their "nobody is a criminal" might extent to their real enemies.

Due to that the Teladi stations may have VIG missions in signal leaks to provide a way to work up from low prestige.
Similarly, the FRF stations may have FAF missions in signal leaks; FAF has no stations, so no option to kill anything near them.

The RIP are (probably) "normal".

[adeine]

put some of my ship until docking bay are full and they can't produce anything

at -30 rep?

[Tempest]

in the same boat as you OP.

But i have yet to "savescum" and drop a few slow assets and "pop" those in front of their doorstep (as mentioned here)

What i'd like to know, in the end, is having a positive relation with VIG a benefit?, or, if they are like SCA, which, after TERRAFORMING THEM A PLANET still continue to harass my trade fleets..

My upcoming "DLC diplomacy" option for them might be: Would you like me to drop 38M Tons of methane in your homeplanet's atmosphere? or: will you stop taking shots at my freighters? the choice is yours.

[hairoom]

put some of my ship until docking bay are full and they can't produce anything

at -30 rep?

well not at -30 rep...

when i want to remain in -30 its no problem.

The issue will happen when they are at least normal relation with me and i allow them to build wharf and shipyard(yep they don't have wharf or shipyard by some 'actions' during 'memory optimization').

[hairoom]

in the same boat as you OP.

But i have yet to "savescum" and drop a few slow assets and "pop" those in front of their doorstep (as mentioned here)

What i'd like to know, in the end, is having a positive relation with VIG a benefit?, or, if they are like SCA, which, after TERRAFORMING THEM A PLANET still continue to harass my trade fleets..

My upcoming "DLC diplomacy" option for them might be: Would you like me to drop 38M Tons of methane in your homeplanet's atmosphere? or: will you stop taking shots at my freighters? the choice is yours.

they are not like SCA. they act just like other major factions.

more precisely, they act like after-terraform SCA or paranid tempest plot TEM like behavior.

If you are in good rep with them, they will not raid your vessel.

Also, my focus is obtain BP for VIG ships.

If X4 were like X3 that as long as you secure just one ship then it can be reverse engineered and BP is all yours but in X4 its can't...

[TheDeliveryMan]

What i'd like to know, in the end, is having a positive relation with VIG a benefit?, or, if they are like SCA, which, after TERRAFORMING THEM A PLANET still continue to harass my trade fleets..

At +10 they stop harassing your assets. At +20, after the promotion ceremony, they allow you to trade ice, water, and food rations in their space.

Furthermore, Windfall/Avarice is very safe, almost no other pirates operate in that area.

[Tempest]

@OP
wasn't able to cheese this by parking a few carriers on their doorstep and selling those to ARG, could not find any patchnotes related to reputation/recycling/ship sale changes, but feels like this was changed at some point. maybe i'm doing it wrong though..

i've barricaded them in Windfall III and left them to their devices... (tired of hunting for VIG stations there)

[adeine]

well not at -30 rep...

when i want to remain in -30 its no problem.

The issue will happen when they are at least normal relation with me and i allow them to build wharf and shipyard(yep they don't have wharf or shipyard by some 'actions' during 'memory optimization').

In my experience, if you're at hostile, you won't get to neutral/allowed docking rep before this becomes an issue. The VIG missions give truly minuscule amounts of positive rep.

[Raptor34]

in the same boat as you OP.

But i have yet to "savescum" and drop a few slow assets and "pop" those in front of their doorstep (as mentioned here)

What i'd like to know, in the end, is having a positive relation with VIG a benefit?, or, if they are like SCA, which, after TERRAFORMING THEM A PLANET still continue to harass my trade fleets..

My upcoming "DLC diplomacy" option for them might be: Would you like me to drop 38M Tons of methane in your homeplanet's atmosphere? or: will you stop taking shots at my freighters? the choice is yours.

You must be doing something wrong then. Like still stealing their destroyers. Because they stopped harrassing me when I started and by the end my rep was high enough that I'm no longer a plunder target.

[zakaluka]

Vig will give out those "chaos, uncertainty " mission offers even to hostile players. The ones where you have to kill a bunch of mass transit

I understand only a handful of vig stations left. I would leave a ship parked nearby and teleport through every half hour or so to check for mission offers.

[Tempest]

in the same boat as you OP.

But i have yet to "savescum" and drop a few slow assets and "pop" those in front of their doorstep (as mentioned here)

What i'd like to know, in the end, is having a positive relation with VIG a benefit?, or, if they are like SCA, which, after TERRAFORMING THEM A PLANET still continue to harass my trade fleets..

My upcoming "DLC diplomacy" option for them might be: Would you like me to drop 38M Tons of methane in your homeplanet's atmosphere? or: will you stop taking shots at my freighters? the choice is yours.

You must be doing something wrong then. Like still stealing their destroyers. Because they stopped harrassing me when I started and by the end my rep was high enough that I'm no longer a plunder target.

I assumed it was "person in chair" error yeah, expected anything other, settings wise, than "comply" , to pirate harassment to be the primary reason. (Default for me was "escape")

I don't remember reading about "being taken off the plunder list", being the result of the TF mission. (All i remember is being handed a batch of destroyers upon completion)

Not sure about the cause, i didnt mess with SCA after that, and they seem to have reverted back to their shennanigans. (Guess it is impossible to find the reason at this point.

Vig will give out those "chaos, uncertainty " mission offers even to hostile players. The ones where you have to kill a bunch of mass transit

I understand only a handful of vig stations left. I would leave a ship parked nearby and teleport through every half hour or so to check for mission offers.

Thanks for this tip, worth camping a bit for those missions perhaps.!

[Raptor34]

in the same boat as you OP.

But i have yet to "savescum" and drop a few slow assets and "pop" those in front of their doorstep (as mentioned here)

What i'd like to know, in the end, is having a positive relation with VIG a benefit?, or, if they are like SCA, which, after TERRAFORMING THEM A PLANET still continue to harass my trade fleets..

My upcoming "DLC diplomacy" option for them might be: Would you like me to drop 38M Tons of methane in your homeplanet's atmosphere? or: will you stop taking shots at my freighters? the choice is yours.

You must be doing something wrong then. Like still stealing their destroyers. Because they stopped harrassing me when I started and by the end my rep was high enough that I'm no longer a plunder target.

I assumed it was "person in chair" error yeah, expected anything other, settings wise, than "comply" , to pirate harassment to be the primary reason. (Default for me was "escape")

I don't remember reading about "being taken off the plunder list", being the result of the TF mission. (All i remember is being handed a batch of destroyers upon completion)

Not sure about the cause, i didnt mess with SCA after that, and they seem to have reverted back to their shennanigans. (Guess it is impossible to find the reason at this point.

Well. What's your rep with them? From memory during terraforming they agree to a truce. I can't remember if they unlock rep after completion or during it. And their truce might not hold post-terraforming, though iirc post-terraforming their number of jobs is also severely reduced which is what those free destroyers represent. Iirc they are cut down to 1 destroyer job.
Note that for these pirate factions, including VIG. Whether they pirate you or not is rep dependent. And since it's not open combat, the rep threshold is way higher than open conflict with normal factions. If you hover over the rep or click or them, they would tell you whether at your rep level they would plunder you or not, that's the exact term they use iirc.

Or to put it another way, if you get positive rep with them, which I can't remember offhand what the threshold is, then they would stop pirating you. Otherwise it's business as usual. And since their rep is unlocked post-terraforming, you'll need to take care then.

Either that or post-terraforming auto gives you a rep boost, and you either shot them at an inopportune time or something is bugged. But for now, just check at your rep page what your rep with them is and see the bullet points below what they say about "plunder".

[grapedog]

For SCA: I think as soon as you complete any single item in their Terraforming tree SCA messages you and says something along the lines of "oh, you are really trying to help, in that case we will stop harassing all your ships"... And then you get an immediate rep boost from the locked -5 to a +5 or +10, but it's now unlocked. Once unlocked it's like any other faction and can go up or down based on your actions. But I don't think I ever had them pirate me again, or hack any stations.

I remember when I did it, after I got the truce, I never had SCA bother me again, that I can remember. And I think the stations they had in the Nops fortune sectors, I continued to trade with them, and my rep slowly went up.

TO THE OP: Have you already done the whole north river/protectyon questline? Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see it mentioned in your original post. Completing that questline should give you a drastic bump up in VIG reputation. I don't know if you can do it with VIG/RIP as enemies, but if you haven't done it, you could try it.