Timelines Graph 3 Brennan's Trial very difficult

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Timelines Graph 3 Brennan's Trial very difficult

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I enjoyed playing Timelines (except for races with ships with high inertia) but I'm failing the Terminus of Graph "Brennan's Trial" over and over again. The reason is that I have trouble killing Xenon F and B fast enough because of the extreme recoil of the Gamma HEPT guns. If I use all 6 of them, the croshairs are all over the place as soon as I pull the trigger and if I use just 2 or 3 then I am tied up in lengthy dogfights even with Xenon Fs. I have watched a few videos of that mission and people there seem to have very little to no recoil when using 6 Gamma HEPTs and as a result manage to kill almost any enemy on the first frontal encounter.

Has the HEPT been nerfed? If so, shouldn't the mission have been adapted to that nerf? Or is there a way to reduce the recoil? Am I missing something? Any help (except for "try harder" :D ) would be appreciated.
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Re: Timelines Graph 3 Brennan's Trial very difficult

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Mhm, I can't remember having any problems with this mission. Do you have aim assist on?
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Re: Timelines Graph 3 Brennan's Trial very difficult

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I do have aim assist on but switching it off did not change the horrible recoil. After 2 shots I am aiming 2 to 3 ship lengths away from my initial target.
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Re: Timelines Graph 3 Brennan's Trial very difficult

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Cmd_Jameson wrote: Thu, 11. Jul 24, 11:32 I enjoyed playing Timelines (except for races with ships with high inertia) but I'm failing the Terminus of Graph "Brennan's Trial" over and over again. The reason is that I have trouble killing Xenon F and B fast enough because of the extreme recoil of the Gamma HEPT guns. If I use all 6 of them, the croshairs are all over the place as soon as I pull the trigger and if I use just 2 or 3 then I am tied up in lengthy dogfights even with Xenon Fs. I have watched a few videos of that mission and people there seem to have very little to no recoil when using 6 Gamma HEPTs and as a result manage to kill almost any enemy on the first frontal encounter.

Has the HEPT been nerfed? If so, shouldn't the mission have been adapted to that nerf? Or is there a way to reduce the recoil? Am I missing something? Any help (except for "try harder" :D ) would be appreciated.
Its bug. Weapon recoil depends on FPS. The lower your PC performance the harder the mission for you.
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Re: Timelines Graph 3 Brennan's Trial very difficult

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I just need point out that you have reported it as a bug, but that has not yet been confirmed. That's not to say that it necessarily won't be; just that your answer is not as definitive as you make it sound.
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Re: Timelines Graph 3 Brennan's Trial very difficult

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I honestly had no idea recoil existed in this game, and I played that mission.
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Re: Timelines Graph 3 Brennan's Trial very difficult

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PV_ wrote: Thu, 11. Jul 24, 12:47 Its bug. Weapon recoil depends on FPS. The lower your PC performance the harder the mission for you.
Thank you, that's helpful. The game runs smooth (Radeon RX 6700 XT, 3840x1600) but I will try reducing quality/resolution to get higher fps.
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Re: Timelines Graph 3 Brennan's Trial very difficult

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I always assumed that the recoil was a feature. Because that's exactly how the Xperimental Shuttle behaved in X1.

I managed the recoil by engaging the targets at very close range (<1.5km), so your salvo has less chance of missing and you can near insta-kill the target ship.
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Re: Timelines Graph 3 Brennan's Trial very difficult

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CBJ wrote: Thu, 11. Jul 24, 12:54 I just need point out that you have reported it as a bug, but that has not yet been confirmed. That's not to say that it necessarily won't be; just that your answer is not as definitive as you make it sound.
If something quacking as a duck, flying/swimming as a duck and looks like a duck then most likely it is the duck. Here is a video showcasing the HEPT shooting while X4 process is getting throttled by BES:
https://youtu.be/3-4_vUzEww0
Of course, there is always a chance above zero that something went weird/wrong during estimation, but I'm quite sure performance is the main culprit.
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Re: Timelines Graph 3 Brennan's Trial very difficult

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Lowering the graphics quality improved the recoil amount tremendously and I managed to solve the mission without trouble (four stars). So recoil does look very much like it is dependent on frame rate.

Thanks for your help.

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