Use of Sapporo

[LordIII3]

Hi,

I wanted to know what you will use the sapporo for? As far as I can see, it seems a little ill equipped for any purpose. Just 8x m-Turrets, Not much Cargo capacity or Hangar bays...
And also pretty hard to obtain, so it also isn't an L-ship introduction (first L ship) for new players either.

I'm Not Sure how I should use that ship properly. What are your oppinions about that ship?

[Tanall]

I haven't built them yet, but given the agility I wager they'd make pretty handy capital ship escorts. I've also seen the ideas of station patrols and/or flotilla leaders (with a bunch of Odachi's assigned to them) thrown around.

[mr.WHO]

L-size (with the dock) alterantive to Astrid Yaht I presume.

It also can be mass produced, unlike Astrid.

[hairoom]

I think ot could be good for fleet anti-fighter escort role.

It has only 8 med turrets but spec of the turret is counter for S and M ships by its range and rapid fire.

And with L ship's shield capacity, it will hold S and M ships quite a long time even under AI control.

I need to do some test.

I estimate that it will be good doom of khaak as long as there's no ravager.

[chew-ie]

It's no destroyer, that's for sure. (I tried to kill a K with it. I was like "Behold my new ship!" Then I ran.. ) Instead I use it as a flak frigate (got totally bored of using ARG flak after all these years).

With cowboy modifications on the turrets those "white turbolasers" result in a great battle atmosphere (for me a vital component).

So I use my Sapporo fleets for swatting flies (pro tip: Kha'ak hives - just shoot the structure and have a neverending source of angry bees to shoot at).

And it's my new personal ship.

Damn I love that ship. Of course, there should be more turret mounts and more turret options (like all available turrets in the game) and - especially: missiles.

[GCU Grey Area]

Sounds intriguing, however I suspect extracting it is going to be 'interesting'.
If I've understood the location correctly that's where ALL of the Xenon in my game currently live...
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/laa9429u ... 9wczd&dl=0
...& there's more of them every time I look at that bit of the map.

[Nulric]

So, as for myself, for the moment I view the Sapporo as a destroyer version of the Erlking, without a main battery.

I say this because the medium EM turrets it uses have stats superior to Argon Flak; minus, perhaps, the small AE explosive effect that flak rounds have (I believe), albeit with a slightly lower slew (turning) rate (not a deal breaker IMO). As such, like the Erlking, on paper it looks to me like the Sapporo would be pretty good at clearing small and medium sized ships from an area.

With that said, I have not had a good opportunity to test it against a fighter swarm, to see how it really fares. So, for what it's worth, that's my theory on its use, and how I intend to employ it and test it. If it actually holds up to that or not, we'll see when I get a chance to try it in an aforementioned situation.

[linolafett]

We are having a look at the balancing and feature set of the Sapporo.
Too early to say more than that, but i think we can make it a bit more fun and exiting to use

[chew-ie]

We are having a look at the balancing and feature set of the Sapporo.
Too early to say more than that, but i think we can make it a bit more fun and exiting to use

[Nulric]

We are having a look at the balancing and feature set of the Sapporo.
Too early to say more than that, but i think we can make it a bit more fun and exiting to use

Egosoft is the best.

[xant]

We are having a look at the balancing and feature set of the Sapporo.
Too early to say more than that, but i think we can make it a bit more fun and exiting to use

Would you also consider making its turrets available to other ships? I like the electromagnetic weapons, it feels wasteful to not be able to fully utilize them throughout my entire fleet.

[Nulric]

We are having a look at the balancing and feature set of the Sapporo.
Too early to say more than that, but i think we can make it a bit more fun and exiting to use

You know, it occurs to me that there's a bit of a lore challenge here, of course. The Sapporo is from a much, much earlier era of ships and equipment. In theory, it SHOULD be much weaker than its modern peers.

But that is contrary to gameplay, and to fun.

I wonder if a lore friendly way to handle this would be to leave the Sapporo as it is. But, the recoverable Sapporo, and its corresponding blue prints for the player, could be a copy of the original Sapporo (leaving the Timelines scenario version of the ship intact). But this new copy, call it a "Modified Sapporo" could be characterized in the game as being modified from the original class to bring it up to more modern standards (this of course requires a retro-change and ends up being just that much more dev time). A lot like the E variants, but without any otherwise visual differences.

Of course, then the lore problem there is the mystery of who did this, when, and why, but I suppose that can be hand-waved away as a mystery we just can't solve.

Alternatively, Boso could simply offer us a research project after maybe making a certain number of kills in the ship, that allows for us to just upgrade the existing components to much stronger versions than are currently available.

Anyways, food for thought, that's all. I'm sure you guys will handle it in the best way you can.

[mr.WHO]

IMO, it would be good to make old Terran weapons at least compactibile with modern Terran ships.

Especially the EM turrets would be nice addition.

[Genoscythe]

IMO, it would be good to make old Terran weapons at least compactibile with modern Terran ships.

Especially the EM turrets would be nice addition.

I'm about to make a thread with that, is there one already? I find it quite baffling that none of the new gear is cross-compatible and none of the new gear works on some ships, either. If we can research their blueprints I'd be sure Boso can make them compatible as there is no major technological barrier as it is the case with the boron. XEN turrets would fill a nice gap for existing ships, for example without being overpowered. Meanwhile XEN ships (except K, which slaps) would not be total junk if they could use commonwealth modules.

[chew-ie]

IMO, it would be good to make old Terran weapons at least compactibile with modern Terran ships.

Especially the EM turrets would be nice addition.

Agreed!

[hairoom]

I think ot could be good for fleet anti-fighter escort role.

It has only 8 med turrets but spec of the turret is counter for S and M ships by its range and rapid fire.

And with L ship's shield capacity, it will hold S and M ships quite a long time even under AI control.

I need to do some test.

I estimate that it will be good doom of khaak as long as there's no ravager.

I did some test by poking khaak hive but result was bit vague.

For un-modded sapporo case, it couldn't wipe out khaak M and S swarm.
It can hold position by shield regen but it almost lost engine by stacking khaak swarm.
But, good point is, it can still can perform fly swatter role regarding S ship such as protector and forager was wiped out while most of hive guard and queens guard are alive.

And for modded sapporo case(all turrets modified with slasher mod), it shows what i expected performances.
It can clear khaak hive with only single ship.
S ships melt down fast and M ships hold some seconds but also soon melt down by sapporo's modded turret.

So, as a conclusion, currently sapporo is at bit vague position regarding its role.
Due to for player ship role(modded) : there are lots of rivals that outmatch sapporo.
for large scale fleet anti-air role(un-modded) : it olny suitable for wipe out some low-hull and low-shield khaak S ship, Xenon N and M. may be low shield ARG or ANT S ship

[xant]

IMO, it would be good to make old Terran weapons at least compactibile with modern Terran ships.

Especially the EM turrets would be nice addition.

I'm about to make a thread with that, is there one already? I find it quite baffling that none of the new gear is cross-compatible and none of the new gear works on some ships, either. If we can research their blueprints I'd be sure Boso can make them compatible as there is no major technological barrier as it is the case with the boron. XEN turrets would fill a nice gap for existing ships, for example without being overpowered. Meanwhile XEN ships (except K, which slaps) would not be total junk if they could use commonwealth modules.

Yes, there is. You can find it here.

[LordIII3]

You know, it occurs to me that there's a bit of a lore challenge here, of course. The Sapporo is from a much, much earlier era of ships and equipment. In theory, it SHOULD be much weaker than its modern peers.

Actually all the timelines ships, weapons and Equipment aren't 100% 'lore firedly' anyways as they have the modern weapon and shields powers. The Sapporo shields are at about 100GJ ... In the Times of Xbtf even the biggest Carriers we're unable to reach even 1GJ

[LordIII3]

So an X4 Fighter hast stronger shields than an Xbtf Carrier

[Genoscythe]

You know, it occurs to me that there's a bit of a lore challenge here, of course. The Sapporo is from a much, much earlier era of ships and equipment. In theory, it SHOULD be much weaker than its modern peers.

Actually all the timelines ships, weapons and Equipment aren't 100% 'lore firedly' anyways as they have the modern weapon and shields powers. The Sapporo shields are at about 100GJ ... In the Times of Xbtf even the biggest Carriers we're unable to reach even 1GJ

This, they are replicas 3D printed by the most advanced civilization in the universe. Sohnen tech in 2042 was milennia ahead of what the X4 races have already, and the entire plot is

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