[6.20]MIN friendship continues to decline

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[6.20]MIN friendship continues to decline

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OS:Windows 11 Home 64-bit (10.0, Build 22631)
Version:6.20
language:Japanese
Modified:No
Game Start:The Young Gun

Problem:
Suddenly, during the game, it was said that they had attacked MIN's space station, which reduced MIN's friendship level. It happens not just once, but many times in a row. We are not attacking at all, and there are no spaceships of our own camp in the vicinity of the MIN station.

How to Reproduce:
1:In "Eighteen Billion", patrol multiple fleets to prepare a defense system.
2:At the end of the "Free Families Plot", destroy ZYA's Station and reduce ZYA's friendship level to the lowest level.
3:In the "Eighteen Billion" and other sectors, the conflict between the ZYA fleet and its own side begins.
4:To prevent stations of factions other than your faction from getting involved in the battle, instruct your faction's fleet to keep their distance.
5:For some reason, the MIN station informs them that they are under attack, and the MIN's friendship level decreases. This happens not just once, but many times in a row.

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Re: [6.20]MIN friendship continues to decline

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It's a catch-all text/voice that says station even when a ship in radar range of any station has been fired on and a MIN station doesn't have to be involved.

It's most likely that a ship of yours in Teladi space has defended itself against a faction, or a pirate masked as that faction, that MIN are friendly/neutral to. MIN are the police for Teladi space and so you might have fired on somebody that the local police see as 'innocent'. It's not a popular, well-described/identified, nor intuitive gameplay aspect, I would agree.
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Re: [6.20]MIN friendship continues to decline

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Thank you for your quick reply.
There is no pirate ship, but I checked it. After all, only ZYA boas, chimeras, and wyverns were targeted. There are no pirate ships disguised as TEL ships in the field sector.
Even now, messages saying "I attacked MIN" are received almost regularly, and the friendship level of MIN continues to decline.
We are very troubled.
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Re: [6.20]MIN friendship continues to decline

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It seems to be related to the above contents, but a similar problem has occurred.
When I attacked ZYA's SPP, I received a warning from PAR and PAR friendship decreased. I don't know why, but it seems that attacking or destroying ZYA ships and stations triggers a decrease in the friendliness of third parties.
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To answer your first reply - It does not have to be a TEL ship. Any faction (real or as masked) that MIN is friendly or neutral to that you fire on in a TEL area will annoy MIN.

For your second reply - Similarly to above, if PAR is friendly or neutral to ZYA and you fire on ZYA in PAR space for any reason then you will annoy PAR.
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Re: [6.20]MIN friendship continues to decline

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Thank you for your quick reply. Also, I apologize for the lack of explanation.

The first phenomenon of reduced MIN friendliness occurred in the "Eighteen Billion" sector. Therefore, it is possible that MIN was friendly to ZYA. However, the second phenomenon of PAR friendliness decline occurred in the "Tharka's Ravine XXIV" sector.
At this point, the "Tharka's Ravine XXIV" sector was halfway through the "Free Families Plot", so the CUB's defence platform and the FRF's defence platform existed at the same time, and it was unclear who the clear ruler was.
I followed the "Free Families Plot" mission and destroyed ZYA's defence platform, and then attacked ZYA's SPP in order to wipe out ZYA's influence from the sector. Suddenly, a warning was received from PAR, and PAR's friendliness decreased.
In this case, since it is not a PAR sector, I don't think it will be warned by PAR.

I apologize again for the lack of explanation because I panicked and wrote in a hurry due to the occurrence of this phenomenon.
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It is possible that the ZYA plot progress and the PAR loss of reputation may be unrelated. It may be that a ship of yours passing through PAR space at the time fired back at a pirate masked as someone that was not enemy to PAR, or at a faction or masked ship that had recently become enemy to you but was not enemy to PAR. Without knowing exactly what every asset of yours was doing at the time, it may be difficult to know. Usually the best indicators of some such conflict are in seeing reduced shields or a ship having temporary flee or attack orders, when looking at your property listing.

I usually pause the game when I get any reputation loss or attack reports so that I can find out what is happening before the problem hides, spreads or moves too far away from the source.
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Re: [6.20]MIN friendship continues to decline

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Alan Phipps wrote: Tue, 28. May 24, 16:02 It is possible that the ZYA plot progress and the PAR loss of reputation may be unrelated. It may be that a ship of yours passing through PAR space at the time fired back at a pirate masked as someone that was not enemy to PAR, or at a faction or masked ship that had recently become enemy to you but was not enemy to PAR...
It could even be a ZYA ship firing one of the OP's ships passing through PAR space, which fired back in self defence, triggering the PAR rep drop. Been there, done that.
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