HQ Storage stays at 0 m³ even if I add storage.

[Garethas]

Hi,



Version and language: 6.20 English (Steam)
Whether or not your game is modified using any third party scripts or mods: Nope, vanilla
Game start being played: Argon (Selton)
Exact nature of the problem, where and when it occurs and what you were doing at the time:

I have this issue with my HQ: while my Container Storage is only filled at <50% (22M / 47M m³), the Logical Overview displays 0 m³ on each wares, so when I increase some wares storages, some others decrease.


I'm trying to store what I need for the Terraforming process, so I need a lot of ressources, but this problem is not helping.

I can't say for certain when it started, but it may be related to the fact that I had storage not connected to the rest of the station. I have since deleted the unlinked storage and recreated it ten-fold, but it does change the available storage, it stays at 0 m³.

This might affect Liquid and Solid storage as well, but I can't say for sure.

Another symptom, perhaps, is when I move the slider to change the storage capacity, the slider value and the total displayed at the top of the ware is often lower. In this example, I set the storage allocation to 413 439, but the amount displays 243k. After a few seconds (longer on higher numbers), it resets the allocation to 243k.


For the record, my Energy Cells is at 2375K/4075k, but I should have plenty of room with my 47M.

I do not see this on newer stations, but I haven't checked nor noticed this issue on my other, older stations.


Any possibly relevant changes you have made to your game, system, or software before the issue occurred: Nope
Where appropriate, additional symptoms, error messages, links to saves *, screenshots and crash dump files: : Latest save here: https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ah6dyWzRZdRE0BY4dtY ... 8?e=QoqOXz
Your system specifications in the form of a DxDiag report and vulkaninfo (see this Wiki entry).**: Will provide if requested, but since it's not a crash, I doubt it would be useful.



Thank you.

[Alan Phipps]

The only thing I note in your Comp Substrate screenshot is that you have not enabled automatic storage allocation and so should not expect things to change as you add storage capacity until you do manual allocation per resource.

Until you start producing something that needs the specific wares, automatic allocation would probably not realise that you needed any anyway. Also check that you are using the correct default production method (Universal vs Terran, etc).

[Ketraar]

Loading the save it seems Alan's suspicion is on to something as you have manually defined storage allocation for all/most wares. Since manual storage allocation is not a percentage and instead is a fixed amount, adding more storage wont adjust the allocated amounts.

In general I would avoid manual storage allocation, especially across all production, setting production and storage amounts, will have the similar result but keep the allocation flexible. Not saying one should not use it, but needs more micro managing.

MFG

Ketraar

[Garethas]

I see your point, but the problem is that my manual values are getting updated, and do not stay fixed.

As if they were automatic, but not quite.


If I set a Ware to X, I would expect to to stay that way until I change it.

I used manual because otherwise I do not have enough mats for Terraforming. I need a lot of mats and leaving auto prevents the station from buying/producing the required mats ahead of time.

I do not mind micro-managing my HQ, but the values shouldn't change if I manually set them up.

[Garethas]

More to the point, in my save tonight, my Computronic Substrates were manually set to 23336.

(Here is the right image)


I've been playing for what, 30 minutes today? They're at 24 792 (+6%)

My Microlattice were around 4900k , now they're at 5241 K (+6%)
Silicon Carbide was 194k, now at 206k (+6%)

What changed? Three new L storages. from 48M to 51M (+6%)

The Manually set values are changing with the amount of available storages, as if they were automatically set "by me". Not a problem if I add storage, but if I remove extra storage, it reduces and that is a probleme wheen preparing for terraformation or a large build order.

Manually set values should stay the same regardless of changes in storage. Not enough space? No more ressources until space is freed or added.

So my initial problem is not that storages is showing 0 because it doesn't have space, you debunked that, but because manually set values are behaving like automatic values and growing/reducing with the total space. I thought it was because of some invisible capping, but it is not.

As I'm adding a lot of L stores in preparation for Atiy'as Misfortune Terraforming, it won't affect me too much. My values decreased earlier because I refactored my HQ and removed 10M storage after I set the values.

So it'd be nice to have the manually set values remain static, perhaps via a setting ?

Thank you for your time, both of you!

[Garethas]

OK, I used the time my ressources builds up to do some calculations.

So for the sake of clarifying things, here a summary of what I found, and a suggestion or two. Perhaps it will help others with the same questions.

What I discovered:
The total amount of storage used is always the sum of MAX(mats in inventory/mats reserved).
Ex: Here 23336 Computronic Substrates are reserved, for a total of 1,166,800 m³ in storage:


Automatic Storage Max always fills the empty storage, based on calculations (like necessary wares for production, etc)
Manual Storage values decrease/increase the Automatic Storage available space by the same amount.

The value Automatically allocated capacity: Container indicates that available space

So if one manually increases storage of one ware to the maximum available, no place is left for automatic. Hence the red 0 m³

What I noticed
The General Information screen displays the sum of mats in inventory:

What is missing on that screen is the space reserved for manual and/or automatic storage.


Furthermore, increasing the storage changes all the wares, not only the automatic ones.


Suggestions:

• Find a way to display storage used vs storage reserved in the General Information Screen, total and for each resources
• Find a way to display total storage used vs reserved in the Logical Station Overview
• Maybe include numbers for storage in construction?
• Lock or allow storage locking mechanism on manualy set wares, aka: if I set 1000, it stays 1000

Conclusion
My confusion was related to the fact that the interface doesn't display reserved storage. In retrospect, it is evident, but I had to dig and create a spreadsheet to discover this fact.
So interface improvements could aleviate that for other players.
Finally, can I update/create a page to explain this in the confluence site?