Getting tired of the rep grind :(

[Klord]

I feel like this game is broken with the crazy dynamic reputation system.

I spent 4 real life hours trying to reduce Argon reputation so I can increase Split reputation to buy a special ship through diplomacy. Yes the entire statement sound stupid and ironic. Because in X games, we try to increase reputation, not tarnish them.
I capped 2 Titans & 2 colossus and destroyed dozens of Argon and Boron ships but the stupid rep is stuck at -2.



> Its alright to have a soft cap in reputation level preventing the player from increasing Split reputation until he lowers Argon and Boron reputation for a certain extent. The problem is the player have to become an enemy (-3 reputation level) of Argon and Boron to increase Split reputation which makes no sense. Seriously? Why do I have to become enemies of Argon and Boron? Once you overcome the soft cap by reducing Argon/ Boron reputation enough, you can freely gain both Argon/Boron & Split/ Paranid reputation without any problem. You are friends with all factions again. Its just to surpass this invisible barrier, you have to tarnish your reputation in excessive level.
It makes no sense at all. The system just force the player to grind reputation which is a chore.

> Before 1.1 patch, reputation swings were massive so the player could able to easily become an enemy of a faction to gain reputation of the opposing faction. Now the reputation loss is reduced, its impossible to become an enemy. This sounds stupid, but true, because I tried my ass out for 4 hours to become an enemy of Argon/ Boron and still failed.

I cant do this anymore. Im done with this game until they fix the reputation system (if thats ever going to happen).

Edit: Now dont get me wrong. I like the dynamic rep system. Its just the system at current status is broken and chore to the player. This isn't a nonsensical statement. I have clocked 240 hours in the game so far and meddled with the system as much as I can.

[Deianeira]

Your problem is the Atreus rep is two points too high. There is no lower cap and no requirement to go below +7

[Midnightknight]

Personnaly my pirate rep goes down pretty fast (And i was avoiding that) simply cause i made 2 missions for the teladi aiming the pirate faction. Nothing too fancy, kill a few M3/M4/M5 and a M8, i instantly dropped from -1 to -3, and a second brought me to -5 lol. I caped many pirate ships before, i farmed one sector to get Acynonyx and various pirate fighters and was still enutral after a few hours of fighting. But those two missions sent me really deep down in a few minutes lol.

You should try to find a mission targetting argons or even better, borons.

But well, i won't explain again why i think this diplomatic relation system is bad. Could be tweaked to be a lot better, but currently, it's just plain annoying and bring really nothing to the game. Even now i sided fully with split/paranid and kills anything that is Boron/Argon it still really makes no sense, this is way to complicated and intricate to ever work correctly without complete non sense from a perspective or another.

I mean ... You can take a mission a bit too fast in split sector, do it and turn hostile to split by the end of the mission. You didn't checked it was a boron giving it to you lol! So you are a traitor for doing a mission for a boron on a split station. But the quest giver isn't a traitor lol, no.

[chip56]

You dont need to lower Argon that much. You just cant be more than +8 with any enemy of a faction.
Which in your case means: you lowered ARg far more than you had to. And you forgot to lower Atreus, which is why you still dont reach your goal.
So in theory you could be +8 with everyone and then pick anyone to get to +9 or +10. That one then decides which other factions are locked at +8 98% and from the others not still locked ones you could get one to +9 too, which in turn might lock some again and so on.

[Erqco]

I wasn't able to put 100 hours on it.... congratulations in yours 220. This is the problem that make stop playing. I don't want to play guac a mole.

[Hwitvlf]

I've enjoyed your posts so hope you decide to come back soon.

I seem to be the only person who hasn't been bothered by the Reputation system. I never tried to lower one faction rep in order to raise another, I just do missions for the faction I want to 'impress' and everything else seems to work out on its own.

Would the Atrius rep have gone down naturally if you kept doing Split missions?

[chip56]

yeah over time it would have gone down.

[Hwitvlf]

Thanks, good to know chip56.

[Klord]

Thanks for the responses guys. So the problem was with Astraeus reputation being too high. I was under the impression that only main faction reputations matter when it comes to soft caps.

[RunGiantBoom]

I spent 4 real life hours trying to reduce Argon reputation so I can increase Split reputation to buy a special ship through diplomacy.

rep system will be fine even in its current state if all special ships will be presented for capture. I want to have Panther M7D, not be friends with split.

[Klord]

rep system will be fine even in its current state if all special ships will be presented for capture. I want to have Panther M7D, not be friends with split.

I was hunting the same. Finally made it after overcoming the aforementioned obstacle. It was very frustrating though.

Griffon and Panther are the only M7Ds which are not available to capture. Unless there is a Yaki M7D (Kariudo?).

[Deathifier]

rep system will be fine even in its current state if all special ships will be presented for capture. I want to have Panther M7D, not be friends with split.

I was hunting the same. Finally made it after overcoming the aforementioned obstacle. It was very frustrating though.

Griffon and Panther are the only M7Ds which are not available to capture. Unless there is a Yaki M7D (Kariudo?).

Yep the Yaki have a M7D, the Kariudo, and it is a diplomacy only ship (unless it spawns in a mission or something) and requires the typically high rep for M7D's / M7M's so figuring out how to get it and not upset the entire universe should be a challenge.

[Midnightknight]

M7D will receive some love in 1.2, maybe there will also be some spawns of the unavailable one if asked nicely lol.

But it won't solve the rep grind issue, yes it won't be that bad if you can cap ships, but it will still have a few more remaining and annoying. I must say i also never understood why you could steal equipements and station blueprint but not ships blueprint.

[fireanddream]

I'm capped at 20.8 hours.

I got most of the universe explored, and can't do anything else without worrying about trashing my reps. All the corps except NMMC hate me and my brain hurts just from thinking about how to climb out of this hole.

I think if nothing comes out of update 1.2 it is fairly obvious that nothing will be changed about the dynamic system in the future. In that case I will modify the files and kiss my achievements goodbye. What I wouldn't give to be able to choose between the old and new rep system.

Seriously, it's so funny. I love just about everything in the game and everywhere things are objectively improved from AP. Just this one system.

[birdtable]

Sorry guys ... Is all this because you cannot complete a collection of special ships ... Aww come on boys !!!

[Hwitvlf]

I must say i also never understood why you could steal equipements and station blueprint but not ships blueprint.

It is odd, but I guess X3 has been assembled by so many different people over many years that oddities are bound to arise. One of the reasons Litcube's Universe is my favorite mod is because he took the time to rework almost everything in the game to align it with his own vision. Most of the ships in X3 are useless, especially at higher combat ranks. In Litcube, almost every ship could be useful. I actually defeated the OCV with a couple M1s carrying slow moving Boron M4s configured as missile boats.

[atroces]

I'm capped at 20.8 hours.

I got most of the universe explored, and can't do anything else without worrying about trashing my reps. All the corps except NMMC hate me and my brain hurts just from thinking about how to climb out of this hole.

I think if nothing comes out of update 1.2 it is fairly obvious that nothing will be changed about the dynamic system in the future. In that case I will modify the files and kiss my achievements goodbye. What I wouldn't give to be able to choose between the old and new rep system.

Seriously, it's so funny. I love just about everything in the game and everywhere things are objectively improved from AP. Just this one system.

You can easily rep up most corps with a variety of agents, without trashing your reps. Get a few agents, gather influence and spend it on rep, at least until you get what you want from them.

[Godalmighty83]

There are a couple of posts in the scripts forum about disabling DR. I can't recommend doing it enough. With DR the game is a miserable chore, getting rid of it transforms the experience, you just have to make your own decisions on how to best enjoy the 'verse

[letor]

Hello.

What interests me most at Farham's Legacy are the plots. And to get through the second plot I need a destroyer. And no faction sells me a destroyer unless it has 6 green prestige bars. And I cannot exceed 98% (for the sixth bar) unless I am an enemy of two other factions.

I am not a ship collector, nor do I like to play "guac a mole", but I will do whatever it takes to finish the plots. And then I'll use the agents to re-level the balance. And so on until it's over.

If I complain about something, it is not about any of the above, but about how clumsy the factions are to fight one who is their declared enemy. I can destroy a frigate under the nose of a destroyer of their faction, who despite them, is still neutral! (grey). Absurd!

[Snafu_X3]

What interests me most at Farham's Legacy are the plots. And to get through the second plot I need a destroyer.

Which gamestart are you playing; which part of the campaign do you define as "the second plot"& what ship class do you define as a 'destroyer''?