Well That Was Not Worth Wait..

[MHDriver]

Seriously, 3 hours into a save game with the new DLC and it is total war. The Split are all over the map attacking and destroying my trade ships. Ships under construction at Warfs gone, this is nothing like the trailer pitched this content to be. "You can choose to trade with them or fight them'" Uh, no sorry, it is a fight only and as I predicted another cheap ass war based content expansion. How friggin original. Now I have to send Warships to destroy the Split in the first day of play. Perfect.

[Shehriazad]

The real question would be WHY they are even attacking you.


Unless you started out with a "Hey guys, I am at war with you" gamestart..they should not be attacking you.

So if they are still attacking you...you did something nasty....in which case I don't understand the hate

Afaik Free Families start neutral and Patriarchy starts at -15 (which is not War-hostile) if you take a neutral start.
Free Family start starts you at FRF neutral and Patriarcy -20.


So yeah...it is something YOU have done to them to provoke a war (I'd say)...so calm down and maybe next time don't bash their faces in the first time you meet em.

[Rei Ayanami]

Are you sure it's actually the Split faction ships and not some SCA pirate ships disguised as Split faction ships destroying your freighters? Sometimes SCA ships use fake faction identification and their SCA faction only gets revealed if you scan them. Look at the ships name, if it's something like Marauder, Plunderer or Raider it's an SCA pirate ship disguised as another faction.

And yea, while most of the Split factions will have a negative relation to you, they should not be that negative that they would fire on you, unless provoked (unless you used a game start with different relationship settings).

[Shehriazad]

Are you sure it's actually the Split faction ships and not some SCA pirate ships disguised as Split faction ships destroying your freighters? Sometimes SCA ships use fake faction identification and their SCA faction only gets revealed if you scan them. Look at the ships name, if it's something like Marauder, Plunderer or Raider it's an SCA pirate ship disguised as another faction.

And yea, while most of the Split factions will have a negative relation to you, they should not be that negative that they would fire on you, unless provoked (unless you used a game start with different relationship settings).

Don't the FRF use Plunderer/Raider as their faction variant? This makes it even harder to distinguish SCA from legit FRF

[MHDriver]

The real question would be WHY they are even attacking you.


Unless you started out with a "Hey guys, I am at war with you" gamestart..they should not be attacking you.

So if they are still attacking you...you did something nasty....in which case I don't understand the hate

Afaik Free Families start neutral and Patriarchy starts at -15 (which is not War-hostile) if you take a neutral start.
Free Family start starts you at FRF neutral and Patriarcy -20.


So yeah...it is something YOU have done to them to provoke a war (I'd say)...so calm down and maybe next time don't bash their faces in the first time you meet em.

Perhaps I was not clear. This is not a new game start using one of the Split starts. This is a save game from day one of X4 where I control the majority of the map especially on the north end where the Split have popped up. The Split are at war with the Argon and attack Argon ships even while docked at my stations. These attacks hit the stations which in turn retaliate and destroy the Split ships. Additionally the Split ships have attacked the Argon Warf where one of my Destroyers was being upgraded and destroyed it. The remaining ships in the fleet orbiting around the Warf attacked the Split Raiders destroying them. It only takes 4 or 5 ship destroyed ships to go from -15 to -20+ then the split attack every ship they come across. It just continues to escalate.

A new game start would be fine since you would have no assets at risk and you can take care not to decrease your standing with ZYA. My issue with this is I only play sandbox, not storyline and I not interested in the constant war thing like so many others are.

[KiwiNZ]

As mentioned earlier, you must have triggered it.

All SPLIT are red to me also, I accidentally killed a few to start with and am at -16 with them but they still won't attack me. So you really must have annoyed them and they do hold a grudge.

[JakubCW]

Using a save from day one of x4, after all the patches since then.. and your surprised it’s a mess??

Was a new game not recommended ages ago during the beta phases?

[LameFox]

The escalation of collateral damage isn't exactly a new issue. You could have the same thing happen with other factions without the expansion.

Probably there should be some better way to resolve those conflicts when they involve the player, but I'm not sure what it should be.

[Matthew94]

Are you sure it's actually the Split faction ships and not some SCA pirate ships disguised as Split faction ships destroying your freighters? Sometimes SCA ships use fake faction identification and their SCA faction only gets revealed if you scan them. Look at the ships name, if it's something like Marauder, Plunderer or Raider it's an SCA pirate ship disguised as another faction.

On this topic, will setting my fleets to police instead of patrol get them to scan for pirates? Even with patrols I still seem to be losing ships. I haven't used police yet.

[chew-ie]

RE pirate menace: I remember during the Beta that at some point I switched to armed trading vessels / convoys & set pirate response to "kill" in the global settings. That did the trick to never bother me again. Meanwhile I capped every pirate destroyer I got my hand on