V2.20 - Worst Update Yet!

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

Egosoft is getting worse, not better with their Software Quality and the result is an unacceptable degree of product degradation.

In some ways, V2.20 is an improvement BUT in others it is a major misstep by Egosoft.

At least some of the alleged "fixes" are either not working in all cases or may have even introduced problems when previously none were observed. Egosoft really need to look more closely at their test and release strategy and address what seems to be a systematic problem with their current release process.

[Dirk-Jan]

There are so much bugs that i think X4 will never reach alfa status in this century

[sh1pman]

Egosoft is getting worse, not better with their Software Quality and the result is an unacceptable degree of product degradation.

In some ways, V2.20 is an improvement BUT in others it is a major misstep by Egosoft.

At least some of the alleged "fixes" are either not working in all cases or may have even introduced problems when previously none were observed. Egosoft really need to look more closely at their test and release strategy and address what seems to be a systematic problem with their current release process.

Weird, you’re the last person I’d expect to hear this from Things must be really broken if even people who usually defend the game (carriers, combat, economy, etc) are calling this out. Well, I myself stopped playing at around 1.60 ad decided to just wait for improvements. Guess I’m not done waiting yet...

[Alan Phipps]

The thing is that Egosoft do put each version through a fairly extensive public beta testing period of iterations before release. Yes, there are indeed sometimes serious gameplay problems reported there and not every one will be fixed in time for that build's release, but that is why the public beta forum has threads with titles including such as "... - Fix coming in a build after [this version about to release]"

Naturally this process does require the cooperation of the community to test the betas without use of mods, and to give reports with sufficient detail and information for the devs to reproduce and identify the issues without having to do lengthy play-testing (which they cannot afford time and resources to do). The community has been pretty good in this respect as far as I can see.

[Tamina]

As a person who was still very skeptical with the state of 2.0 I am pretty okay with 2.2 now as it did solve most of my complains.

(And before anyone mentions it: Yeah yeah yeah, I am a moderator and therefore have no right for a personal opinion [/sarcasm] )

Didn't really got to play before 2.0 so I am really interested in what some of the issues are that were working before but don't anymore?

[Artean]

2.20 was, no doubt, an improvement for me. Obviously there are still a lot of fixes, balancing and optimization to be done but the development since launch has been pretty impressive imo.

[Bozz11]

To me 2.20 was also a good update, started playing the game again and I already see a lot of improvements.

I'd like to know more about those issues you have.

[Xenon_Slayer]

At least some of the alleged "fixes" are either not working in all cases or may have even introduced problems when previously none were observed.

Just so things are clear, which issues specifically are you referencing? We of course aim to release versions where the fixes are effective and nothing retroactivly gets broken, but there are of course issues which are known but do not get addressed in that patch. During the 2.20 testing process, we did state that several issues are to be fixed in an upcoming patch, primarily so that we can get 2.20 out the door while it's in a state we consider acceptable. Anyway, let us know what issues you're talking about and we'll check if these are already fixed for the next version or on our radar.

[Socratatus]

With the advent of TrackIr, i simply cannot call this the worst update yet. Egosoft is in my good books for now ...unless there`s something really terrible they`ve done which I haven`t seen. I hopefully expect to see more improvements, hopefully based around the Player, AI, NPC looks, sandbox starts, random events and exploring with perhaps less on making shipyards for people who just want to rule everything instantly instead of exploring.

[PresBartlet]

I may be missing a lot of the bugs in this game that 2.20 has brought but generally I am very happy with it, and the subsequent patches. Yes I paid full price for the game back in November, and yes there were bugs. However I remember paying full price for games back in the 90s and having to wait months for the Developers to send me a disk with the latest patch, or wait to see if this month it was on the disk/CD with the latest PC Zone/PC Gamer. This was only if the Developer bothered to patch the game.

My point is that Egosoft are working hard to fix bugs but are also adding new features, at the behest of the Community I might add. The patches may cause a few other bugs but I trust that Egosoft will fix these in time.

Having suffered disappointment at the release of X-Rebirth, I am happy that I now have an X game that I want to play, and also excited as to where this game could end up in 12 months time!

[sh1pman]

My point is that Egosoft are working hard to fix bugs but are also adding new features, at the behest of the Community I might add. The patches may cause a few other bugs but I trust that Egosoft will fix these in time.

True, but why it isn't called an Early Access title, I'll never understand.

[photomankc]

I paid my money going in knowing what it was. This patch makes a number of things better, and I have not run into anything yet that it makes worse. Honestly, the overwrought whining here is off-putting sometimes. Yeah, I think they pushed out a pre-release game as a complete title and that was not a good move. They've been smacked about for 100's of threads over it and in 100's of reviews. There is and was plenty of heads-up to all but the earliest buyers that this was true. Steam reviews, online gaming reviews, youtube, and on and on. If you bought the game then you are on the ride of patches and DLC to flesh out the game, get over it and ride, or get off.

Good lord.

[Axeface]

I paid my money going in knowing what it was. This patch makes a number of things better, and I have not run into anything yet that it makes worse. Honestly, the overwrought whining here is off-putting sometimes. Yeah, I think they pushed out a pre-release game as a complete title and that was not a good move. They've been smacked about for 100's of threads over it and in 100's of reviews. There is and was plenty of heads-up to all but the earliest buyers that this was true. Steam reviews, online gaming reviews, youtube, and on and on. If you bought the game then you are on the ride of patches and DLC to flesh out the game, get over it and ride, or get off.

Good lord.

Yes its the consumers fault for expecting a finished product on release. Of course.
'Get over it or get off', I guess you are right. Just dont buy games until years after their release is the thing to be learnt here isnt it, on sale 90% off too. Because thats healthy for companies and consumers right?

Or, maybe, just maybe, companies that arnt capable of releasing a finished games should get onboard the eternal early access bandwagon. I for one am absolutely sick of unfinished games.

[photomankc]

Yes its the consumers fault for expecting a finished product on release. Of course.
'Get over it or get off', I guess you are right. Just dont buy games until years after their release is the thing to be learnt here isnt it, on sale 90% off too. Because thats healthy for companies and consumers right?

Or, maybe, just maybe, companies that arnt capable of releasing a finished games should get onboard the eternal early access bandwagon. I for one am absolutely sick of unfinished games.

So stop buying them?

[Shootist]

Naturally this process does require the cooperation of the community

triple A price
indy support.
go team

[Socratatus]

There is and was plenty of heads-up to all but the earliest buyers that this was true. Steam reviews, online gaming reviews, youtube, and on and on. If you bought the game then you are on the ride of patches and DLC to flesh out the game, get over it and ride, or get off.

To be fair, there are plenty of more objective videos now, there wasn`t on release. I watched all the vids i could find and to be honest, I think some of them were economical with the truth as you would never have thought the game was so buggy from their reviews. I even watched guys I thought were neutral, but marketting has more control of these people especially during release, than I thought.

No more buying on release, but I already said so before in previous threads.

[zazie]

Nine hours gone and still no further details why the rant - Roger, where are thou?

[Buzz2005]

yea I don't know how can a patch be worse, there are no new breaking bugs introduced, and what they fixed is better

[pref]

yea I don't know how can a patch be worse, there are no new breaking bugs introduced, and what they fixed is better

2.0 was WAY worse then 1.6 for ex.

[Buzz2005]

Nine hours gone and still no further details why the rant - Roger, where are thou?

I think this is the problem

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