why i miss betty

This forum is the ideal place for all discussion relating to X4. You will also find additional information from developers here.

Moderator: Moderators for English X Forum

cormas
Posts: 14
Joined: Tue, 18. Dec 18, 01:04
x4

why i miss betty

Post by cormas »

I aknowledge that getting the betty voice actress to come back and do a lot of hour of taping would cost a bit but I sorely do miss her. here is why:

1: I remember falling asleep listening to her just selecting the next encyclopedia item just to hear her speak while I was waiting on the stock market or seta or whatever. such a lovely voice.

2: leaning back in my chair, smoking weed and being too high to actually do anything useful I would listen to betty talking about weapons, factions and goods of tomorrow and just putting a smile on my face.

3: her voice is perfect, it is the perfect symbiosis of machine ai and educated lady. I would buy a love doll with betty's voice :)

4: betty made a big impact on immersion. it certainly felt like the ship computer really did have an artificial intelligence that was your ally in a cold and lonely universe.

5: I may have mental problems but if so I don't really care, I function enough to pay for your product :) please please me.
Spacecop42
Posts: 26
Joined: Fri, 14. Dec 18, 18:45
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by Spacecop42 »

I approve this post and have similar feelings for Betty
cormas
Posts: 14
Joined: Tue, 18. Dec 18, 01:04
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by cormas »

you are a good man spacecop, I don't care what the normal people say.
User avatar
Axeface
Posts: 3034
Joined: Fri, 18. Nov 05, 00:41
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by Axeface »

Extract the game files and listen to thousands of lines to your hearts content ;p It looks like they did bring the voice actor back (if betty isnt an engine). Theres loads of juicy spoilery stuff in there, tonnes of intended features that arnt in the game/not finished. Eg theres voice files of Betty talking about ventures/teleportation, which means they must be for X4 and not a previous game.
Last edited by Axeface on Tue, 18. Dec 18, 01:34, edited 2 times in total.
Gallery of my X ships and fanart eg, Boron Megalodon
My wishlist
Disclaimer: Axeface will ignore 'don't like it don't use it' responses :wink:
Tomonor
EGOSOFT
EGOSOFT
Posts: 1934
Joined: Wed, 12. Sep 07, 19:01
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by Tomonor »

I'm not one to judge.

Anyway, I know it's out of the scope but Egosoft should record the voice actress and synthetise her with an inbuilt software further on.
Image
Socratatus
Posts: 1626
Joined: Tue, 11. May 04, 15:34
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by Socratatus »

Nothing to be ashamed of. The Human mind, especially men in this case, gets used to the constantcy of a comforting feminine voice that never lies, and always informs them. It`s a mother-child thing. There`s a reason why they used `Bitchin Betty` in real world fighter aircraft. Pilots trust her with their lives - she never lies. Maybe that`s changed now that they have some female fighter pilots.

Something very hard for males to get in this world today. Maybe they never could. Perhaps it`s a fantasy we expect out of women. To be a mother. that she just cannot be

This is why a female AI (even if it isn`t an AI) works so well, especially on males. She`s not real, we know she`s not real, but still we warm to `her` after a while-

I don`t have the same link to Betty, but I found the same issue with Astra, a voicepack I used for Elite for a long while. To me, she has the perfect non-judgemental, smooth, honest tone and when I started playing No Man`s Sky, and later X4, I just had to find a way to transfer her over to those games cos I missed her soothing, even comforting voice.
1. Please do more on NPC civilian/uniform variety, and bio customisations, Devs.
2. Stations need sirens/warnings when enemy is close in numbers or Station in danger of destruction (in Sandbox).
Yes, for immersion. Thankyou ahead of time. (Edit: This is actually happening!!!)

"No problem can withstand the assault of sustained thinking."
"Before acting 'out of the box', consider why the box was there in the first place."
User avatar
Playbahnosh
Posts: 869
Joined: Wed, 25. Mar 09, 16:26
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by Playbahnosh »

I think Betty added the single biggest boost of immersion to the X games ever. Sure, there were plot missions and NPCs here and there, but it was Betty who was there for the entire journey. Always telling me what I'm looking at, if there's a missile approaching or if something is wrong with my ship. And of course all the sleepless nights waiting for HUB deliveries, just flipping through the Encyclopedia, listening to the history of Argon Meatstake Cahoonas and Specter Missiles in Betty's dulcet tones just made the entire game world come alive that much more. For being an incredibly repetitive and droll "hey, listen" character, I could never get annoyed or bored of Betty for some reason, even when she said "Argon Wheatfarm M ALPHA!" for the billionth time.

I think EGOSOFT severely underestimates the power of immersion, and sound design in general, as evidenced by the huge step backwards in X4 on this front. The music is generic and boring, the voice acting is just as terrible as ever, if not more, and now Betty is all but gone? When I brought this up a while back, CBJ from EGO actually replied and had this to say:
CBJ wrote: Wed, 12. Dec 18, 17:38 No, we're not planning to voice the descriptions in the encyclopedia. That requires an awful lot of studio time, in most cases for very little practical benefit, and also removes any flexibility for as to amend and improve those descriptions once they are recorded. We will, however, get Betty talking some more. Indeed I've just been working on that feature Bernd promised, whereby she says the name of the object type when you target an object (optionally, of course!).
So that's it. She gonna say ship names and nothing more. I actually got friggin upset at this answer. Wasn't it for "very little practical benefit" back in X3? Yet they still did it, and Betty became I think one of the most memorable features of X ever since. Hell, if I was in their place, I would use Betty literally everywhere! Trailers, cutscenes, make her the unofficial spokesperson, the voice of the X series. As mentioned before, Betty is pretty much the CORVAS system from Elite Dangerous, but she also so much more. And people, especially simulator players, always want to feel more immersed and expand the game, like with VoiceAttack. For Elite Dangerous, there are external programs like EDDI, that add TTS (text-to-speech) voices to the game with modifyable AI logic, that reacts to things that happen in-game and can even handle controls for you with voice commands. If you want to, you can have entire conversations with your ship computer that feels almost natural even. Granted, it takes time and effort to write these AI scripts for yourself, but you can also get scripts others made.

The only issue is, this is all modded/community made stuff and the stability and implementation is shaky at best. I really think VoiceAttack and TTS integration is a huge missed opportunity for EGO. They could've done something revolutionary, that no other sim game ever did before. You could not only just listen to Betty, but for the first time ever, even talk to her! I mean, how awesome would that be?

On that note, I think there are tons of missed opportunities for EGO. They just keep focusing on the wrong things, trying to reinvent the wheel, while they miss crucial elements that made X...uh...X, like Betty.
Last edited by Playbahnosh on Tue, 18. Dec 18, 10:58, edited 1 time in total.
___________________________________
Image[ external image ][ external image ]
Socratatus
Posts: 1626
Joined: Tue, 11. May 04, 15:34
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by Socratatus »

Playbahnosh wrote: Tue, 18. Dec 18, 09:53

I think EGOSOFT severely underestimates the power of immersion, and sound design in general, as evidenced by the huge step backwards in X4 on this front. The music is generic and boring, the voice acting is just as terrible as ever, if not more, and now Betty is all but gone? When I brought this up a while back, CBJ from EGO actually replied and had this to say:
This is always a problem with many games Devs, sadly. For me just not being able to sit on any seat in my ship is one such immersion miss to name many. Maybe they don`t have time or just don`t understand. However, I think X4 did add a lot of immersion, as it feels much more enjoyable (walking around the station and seeing people for example) and not just a spreadsheet any more. At least to me. I still want the spread sheet, but the organic world too. Hopefully, they will add more immersive aspects in time.
1. Please do more on NPC civilian/uniform variety, and bio customisations, Devs.
2. Stations need sirens/warnings when enemy is close in numbers or Station in danger of destruction (in Sandbox).
Yes, for immersion. Thankyou ahead of time. (Edit: This is actually happening!!!)

"No problem can withstand the assault of sustained thinking."
"Before acting 'out of the box', consider why the box was there in the first place."
furirkeeper
Posts: 195
Joined: Sun, 2. Dec 18, 10:32
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by furirkeeper »

As an alternative to make Betty optional (via settings) could be to make Betty into a "ship computer software extension" that you can buy at shipyards like the other software. That would also add some immersion to it.
User avatar
Playbahnosh
Posts: 869
Joined: Wed, 25. Mar 09, 16:26
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by Playbahnosh »

furirkeeper wrote: Tue, 18. Dec 18, 10:49 As an alternative to make Betty optional (via settings) could be to make Betty into a "ship computer software extension" that you can buy at shipyards like the other software. That would also add some immersion to it.
Betty is not a ship computer per se, I always thought of her as more of a personal AI assistant you carry with you or is integrated into you flight suit, since she comes with you everywhere. Ships of other races (even Xenon) and even your space suit. Highly doubtful, say, Split or Teladi ships to have the same human AI.
___________________________________
Image[ external image ][ external image ]
Bozz11
Posts: 256
Joined: Fri, 23. Nov 18, 08:54
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by Bozz11 »

I also miss Betty !!!!
Himmelweiss
Posts: 38
Joined: Tue, 18. Dec 07, 01:05
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by Himmelweiss »

Betty is a must have for any X title.

I was actually shocked as soon i figured how quiet Betty in X4 is.

Betty pretty much is a trademark, something special you can only find within the X games.
Special because her voice simply is just sexy (even in german).
No idea why they decided to keep Betty so quiet now...
cormas
Posts: 14
Joined: Tue, 18. Dec 18, 01:04
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by cormas »

Here is betty!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ajzF27Gvg

turns out her name is Holley Chant and she is "Executive Director at KEO International Consultants "

I do not even know if she does voice acting anymore but her video is 6 months old and has 330 views, give her some love guys, she talks about sustainability in the video and it is good to hear her voice again.
persuade her guys, send encouragement to join her fans once more :)
furirkeeper
Posts: 195
Joined: Sun, 2. Dec 18, 10:32
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by furirkeeper »

Playbahnosh wrote: Tue, 18. Dec 18, 10:55 Betty is not a ship computer per se, I always thought of her as more of a personal AI assistant you carry with you or is integrated into you flight suit, since she comes with you everywhere. Ships of other races (even Xenon) and even your space suit. Highly doubtful, say, Split or Teladi ships to have the same human AI.
But every race speaking english is not very realistic either. And why do you presume that Betty is human? She is in fact a computer AI.
So to reiterate, the AI logic should not be depending on language since it is doubtful that the AI internally use english at all, but you could have english as an adaptation layer on top of the AI. Or any other language that you prefer.

Either way, I want Betty back as well.
Socratatus
Posts: 1626
Joined: Tue, 11. May 04, 15:34
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by Socratatus »

cormas wrote: Tue, 18. Dec 18, 12:43 Here is betty!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ajzF27Gvg

turns out her name is Holley Chant and she is "Executive Director at KEO International Consultants "

I do not even know if she does voice acting anymore but her video is 6 months old and has 330 views, give her some love guys, she talks about sustainability in the video and it is good to hear her voice again.
persuade her guys, send encouragement to join her fans once more :)
It`s just a voice actress, not God.

This was the same nonsense that happened over the Clementine voice actress in the Walking Dead series. It gets creepy.

This is why I like Astra, she`s a completely artificial voice which means I don`t have to pedestal any one.
Last edited by Socratatus on Tue, 18. Dec 18, 12:47, edited 1 time in total.
1. Please do more on NPC civilian/uniform variety, and bio customisations, Devs.
2. Stations need sirens/warnings when enemy is close in numbers or Station in danger of destruction (in Sandbox).
Yes, for immersion. Thankyou ahead of time. (Edit: This is actually happening!!!)

"No problem can withstand the assault of sustained thinking."
"Before acting 'out of the box', consider why the box was there in the first place."
CBJ
EGOSOFT
EGOSOFT
Posts: 54317
Joined: Tue, 29. Apr 03, 00:56
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by CBJ »

cormas wrote: Tue, 18. Dec 18, 12:43 Here is betty!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ajzF27Gvg

turns out her name is Holley Chant and she is "Executive Director at KEO International Consultants "
That's not Betty. Check the credits.
cormas
Posts: 14
Joined: Tue, 18. Dec 18, 01:04
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by cormas »

Socratatus wrote: Tue, 18. Dec 18, 12:46
cormas wrote: Tue, 18. Dec 18, 12:43 Here is betty!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ajzF27Gvg

turns out her name is Holley Chant and she is "Executive Director at KEO International Consultants "

I do not even know if she does voice acting anymore but her video is 6 months old and has 330 views, give her some love guys, she talks about sustainability in the video and it is good to hear her voice again.
persuade her guys, send encouragement to join her fans once more :)
It`s just a voice actress, not God.

This was the same nonsense that happened over the Clementine voice actress in the Walking Dead series. It gets creepy.

This is why I like Astra, she`s a completely artificial voice which means I don`t have to pedestal any one.

so basically you are scolding me for liking a voice and you instead promote another voice... go to bed man, this is about betty.
User avatar
JamesTheClarke
Posts: 78
Joined: Mon, 3. Dec 18, 10:31
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by JamesTheClarke »

Hurray for Betty! I took a bit of a break from X4 after over 100h because I kinda ran out of content. Especially the lack of main factions and ship types really got to me over time.

So I jumped back into X3 AP to scratch that reemerged X-itch and while I miss the menu conveniences and ship controls of X4 at times I immediately felt back at home because of the massive scale in ships (size & variety), factions, sectors and of course: Betty. Her comforting voice always guiding me through my adventures even in the face of missile spams and Xenon swarms.

I'd love to see Betty return to X4 in the next expansion.
MaGicBush
Posts: 42
Joined: Thu, 28. Mar 13, 02:10
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by MaGicBush »

Am I missing something? They added Betty back in the new beta patch..
cormas
Posts: 14
Joined: Tue, 18. Dec 18, 01:04
x4

Re: why i miss betty

Post by cormas »

yeah you are missing the encyclopedia.. it is not voiced, it was in x3.

Return to “X4: Foundations”