[Bug?] 'Missing resource' when trying to outfit or buy ships

[adeine]

Largely reposted from quick question thread as I have tried anything I can think of at this point and been unable to figure this out:

Anyone else having problems upgrading/outfitting their ships? Whenever I open the ship repair/upgrade screen, before I even change anything about the ship's loadout, each station insists it's missing a resource (e.g. 44,400 hull parts in one case, 390 engine components in another) and the job 'might take a long time'. The number of missing resources doesn't appear to change, and the station in question doesn't even buy the 'missing' resource (I tried buying it off a nearby station and ferrying it over only to realise they don't want any of it).

Am I doing something spectacularly wrong, is this some kind of bug, or any idea what is going on?

I have tried several equipment docks and a wharf, all exhibit the same issue although the missing resource differs. This happens when trying to do anything to the ship (yes, even trying to strip it down to nothing, or not doing anything to it at all):



^ just opened the screen, haven't changed anything yet



^ at another station, after I queued up a job (missing amount hasn't changed, the station does not buy hull parts, and claims to have '775/775' in stock)

The only explanation that comes to mind is that queueing might be broken such that AI ships place orders that stations are unable to fulfil and I end up stuck waiting forever as the station does not prioritise upgrades/sales it can actually perform?

If anyone has any helpful insight/solution that would be great. Unrelatedly, why does X4 not take screenshots? Can't find them in Documents/Egosoft or anywhere and copy/paste comes back blank.

[dbcohen]

that's part of the economy of the game. when a station is out of resources then find them and bring them to that station.

[StoneLegionYT]

Someone had said this bug was reported but rather it was not it was questioning it.

I have had this issue and it's quite annoying. Sadly they had what I need but it always shows a high number....

Here is my bug report on it:
viewtopic.php?f=180&t=403319&p=4761393#p4761393

[adeine]

Thanks. Crossposted yet again in hopes to bring some eyes on this.

Literally can't do anything like this.

[StoneLegionYT]

Yeah hopefully more people reply to that thread so it gets more attention from the devs.

[NeroEST]

You have to add your outfit to shopping list. The flavor text of station being out of resources doesn't stop you from refitting your ship.

[brevi]

It's not a bug, it's a feature. The close to "real economy" feature people wanted. I ran into the same thing for the whole day Saturday. I think this feature is overrated and pretty annoying to say the least.

Assign your own trade ships to trade between those factories and the shipyard. Keep in mind that factories produce low units of those resources so it still takes a while.

[MutantDwarf]

No, this is actually a bug. The game is counting all the resources required to build the entire ship when it shows what resources are missing rather than only counting the resources that are needed to change out your loadout. The reason Hull Parts are showing is that Equipment Docks don't purchase Hull Parts, and so Hull Parts are the only ware that the EQ doesn't have that would be required to build the ship from scratch.

You can verify this by going to an EQ and only trying to change out your ship's software (or maybe even selling a weapon system, though I haven't actually done that one so I can't guarantee that one will do the same thing). Software does not require thousands of hull parts to construct, and yet it's going to complain that it's missing thousands of hull parts - because those thousands of hull parts are needed to build the ship from scratch.

You can ignore the warning, though, because the EQ will change out your ship's loadout just fine without Hull Parts.

If it's complaining about something besides Hull Parts, I'm not sure what will happen, but I expect that it either will still ignore the problem (because the economy sim isn't actually working properly) or you will have to wait for someone to deliver the wares you need to loadout your ship properly.

[vidguy]

It HAS to be a bug.
I am unable to repair or upgrade any component.
I've tried 3 EQ's and 2 Warfs... .

My "Confirm" button is greyed out.

[NeroEST]

It HAS to be a bug.
I am unable to repair or upgrade any component.
I've tried 3 EQ's and 2 Warfs... .

My "Confirm" button is greyed out.

It's not a bug, you have to add your items to shopping cart for confirm button to be not greyed out. Station hull resources have nothing to do with refiting/buying ships.

[reanor]

I may not be as far into the game as you all, but I was able to refit 2 fighters I captured and my own as well. I can see how this can be an issue, which is a game feature. I started as an explorer game start and haven't this issue, but later in game, I see that his is a possibility. It is a sole reason I had to make money on missions in XR and create series of factories to produce these missing components in the NPC shipyards I used to build enough ships. I don't know if this shortage of resources is good or not, but it HAS to be there, if you want the economy to work. Maybe there is a bug, like some saying that instead of calculating mats needed only for pats requested for a refit, it calculates all the parts for the whole ship, but I haven't experienced this yet, maybe down the road when I start boarding capital ships, I see this may come up...

[adeine]

You have to add your outfit to shopping list. The flavor text of station being out of resources doesn't stop you from refitting your ship.

Then perhaps I am experiencing a secondary bug, because the red warning text isn't kidding; the queue does not advance and my ship is not being worked on at any of these places. It just sits waiting, presumably for the 'missing resources'.

It's not a bug, it's a feature. The close to "real economy" feature people wanted. I ran into the same thing for the whole day Saturday. I think this feature is overrated and pretty annoying to say the least.

Assign your own trade ships to trade between those factories and the shipyard. Keep in mind that factories produce low units of those resources so it still takes a while.

How would you own trade ships in the first place if you can't buy them, much less outfit them because all stations are stuck demanding resources they neither buy nor (apparently) can stock in sufficient quantity. And why is it your job to supply a dock for what I assume is someone else's order? Pretty sure taking off a weapon should not require 40,000 odd hull parts at one dock and 400 engine parts at another?

It's broken, intentional or otherwise.

No, this is actually a bug. The game is counting all the resources required to build the entire ship when it shows what resources are missing rather than only counting the resources that are needed to change out your loadout. The reason Hull Parts are showing is that Equipment Docks don't purchase Hull Parts, and so Hull Parts are the only ware that the EQ doesn't have that would be required to build the ship from scratch.

You can verify this by going to an EQ and only trying to change out your ship's software (or maybe even selling a weapon system, though I haven't actually done that one so I can't guarantee that one will do the same thing). Software does not require thousands of hull parts to construct, and yet it's going to complain that it's missing thousands of hull parts - because those thousands of hull parts are needed to build the ship from scratch.

You can ignore the warning, though, because the EQ will change out your ship's loadout just fine without Hull Parts.

If it's complaining about something besides Hull Parts, I'm not sure what will happen, but I expect that it either will still ignore the problem (because the economy sim isn't actually working properly) or you will have to wait for someone to deliver the wares you need to loadout your ship properly.

Different docks are complaining about different things for me (trying to put in the same order). It's definitely not counting resources to build the ship for me - what I suspect is happening is NPCs placing ridiculous orders the stations cannot fulfil and thus breaking the dock in question for anyone else.

I can ignore the warning and place the order, but as the warning indicates, there is no estimated time given, and the ship sits there waiting for presumably an eternity.

[vidguy]

It HAS to be a bug.
I am unable to repair or upgrade any component.
I've tried 3 EQ's and 2 Warfs... .

My "Confirm" button is greyed out.

It's not a bug, you have to add your items to shopping cart for confirm button to be not greyed out. Station hull resources have nothing to do with refiting/buying ships.

I know this.
I have added to my shopping list.
Again.. "confirm" remains greyed-out. I cannot change, repair or upgrade any component at ANY Equipment Dock or Warf.
Not once.... I've tried 5 or 6 places.. (They all want Hull Plating)

[OmegaShipCaptain]

This *is* a bug, I've landed at a station with the intention of doing NOTHING but selling the additional satellites and other deployables on my ship so I can move over to my primary ship and even when not asking for any upgrades or ship parts of anything it gives me the same message, are those saying it's not a bug trying to tell me in order for the station to REMOVE things from my ship they need parts? That would make zero sense, this is broken.

[rcboothman]

Ive spent 40mil on a builder but its stuck in the queue, ive sent 2 frieghters filled with the resources it needs to complete the build, but it wont let me trade them with the station, so im out 40 mil now, and still need the god damn builder.

[Digitalcat]

Regardless to all of this though, at the moment, for whatever reason why, each Federation refuses to restock some of their supplies in Shipwharfs, Argon refuses to import Engine parts to their own locations, even though they own several factories with full stock off it, and according to Avius Caelestis, Teladi don't resupply any of their shield parts, though owning again, factories making them. This is not how a dynamic economy should work, AI should shift their trade as value's of said items rise, right now you can use this bug to make quick money, as none of the AI ever stocks these parts and you can just do it your self, but again that would defeat the point of having your ships made by others, as you could just do it your self with your own shipyard.

[Zippo342]

Just to be more descriptive of what you need to do as it's not obvious:

When you finish making changes to your ship's loadout, in the upper right window there is an "add to shopping cart" button. If you click that, the confirm button in the lower right becomes active.

Once you press confirm, if the station is truly out of materials, that ship will NOT be able to undock, and you will need to leave in another ship to get the materials to sell to complete the transaction.

Please note: needing Hull parts at an equipment dock has never prevented me from upgrading my ships as they are only used in ship construction.

[nightwolf151]

Why do I need 939 engine parts to sell my satellites? I go to consumables, set it to 0, click add to cart, and then confirm order. Been waiting for 30 minutes still not in queue, claims it is missing 939 engine parts.

[rcboothman]

i just wish there was a way to cancel the order, ive had to place an order for another builder at another station, and that one is building now, but the 1st one is still stuck in the queue.

I found a workaround, i was able to manually edit the save file, and add the resources it needed directly to the station that was building it, and upon loading the save, the ship started to build.

[Zano]

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