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Wall of text warning. I have been drinking, modeling and obsessing over X4's release.

Hi, my name is Axeface and I'm a Boronophile.

The news that they arnt to be included (again) in X4 at release was a hard one to swallow for me. Since the first time I played X3 their concept, personalities and backstory really appealed to me - so much so that I went onto spend an exorbitant amount of time creating many 3d models of their ships for the XTC mod, many of which ended up in Albion Prelude. One of which, with the exception of my Son, is the crowning achievement of my life.
The purpose of this thread is to discuss the Boron in general, the issues that have lead to them not being included in X4 at release (and any possible solutions) and to also show my fanart/3d/mod progress - I plan to make a mod for X4, if it is indeed possible, that adds both a Boron npc (deceased if necessary) and a Boron ship for the player to own, with a little backstory.

Lets discuss, argue and generally just bring the Boron out of obscurity, at least a little?


So, to begin.
The 'Boron Problem'
They are aquatic

This is often thrown around as the reason that they cant be added to X4, and I disagree entirely with that conclusion. The Boron are a very advanced race, and this means that its entirely possible to come up with ways for them to overcome their physical limitations in the lore, and in doing so overcome the 'problems' of getting them into the game technically. Some seem to think the whole concept of the Boron is silly or a joke... I've said it before, but humans in spaceships is just as strange a concept as a Boron in one if you actually think about it.

One thing that is important to note firstly is that what their technology is and was is not clearly defined in the lore, AFAIK. So lets finally fix it and find a way to incorporate them into the game that doesnt include ships full of water and ridiculous bubble suits?

It's entirely fine for egosoft to write into the lore that the Boron have advanced their technology, in fact it makes sense that they would - for example, its very possible that due to the Borons kind nature that they could be accomodating, even to their own detriment - it isnt beyond the realm of possibility that the Boron could actually design their new ships to accomodate their savior allies first (the Argon) and themselves second, and then create new technologies to allow them to be much more comfortable in many different environments.
Their ships could be designed to accomodate all races first, with the implication through hints in the design and modeling that if Boron inhabitants wanted they could make the environment their own. Their suits could be advanced enough to allow them to traverse in any environment. It's my opinion and apparently Egosofts too, if the latest concept image is anything to go by, that they have an anti-gravity type of technology - this isn't a crazy concept in the X universe, considering we walk around ships and stations in X Rebirth. The Boron could use this to overcome their physical boundries to great success... anti-gravity suits that also enclose their respiratory systems. Problem solved. And if for some reason you are opposed to the idea of them having anti-gravity suits, then you could simply make them tiny silent thrusters instead.

In conclusion, how do we solve the Boron problem? How do we make them and their ships 'easier' to impliment into the game?
- They use advanced suits that allow them to breath, and essentially, float/fly.
- Their ships are not full of water.


Once these lore issues are sorted out then the last hurdle to overcome is bespoke animations. Yes, the Boron cannot use existing animations (maybe) - but this I really believe is not an insurmountable issue. And i'de like to add, animating a Boron floating around or floating above a seat is far easier than animating a creature doing the same tasks with legs. Yes, it could require new rigging and a new skeleton (although perhaps through clever trickery it wouldnt), but again, this isnt a mammoth task...

It just requires that the Boron recieve the attention they DESERVE.

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Onto my mod plans.

I plan to record some simple voice lines for a distress signal, make a model of a Boron character and a unique Boron fighter ship for the player to find and own. I will need help with this, I am a complete idiot when it comes to anything outside of visual or audio, I cant code, and literally instantly have brain aneurysms if I look at an XML file. I do 3d models, and often dabble in sound/music.
As far as the character model is concerned I am making progress when I can, the new concept image someone snapped at Xcon last year is amazing, and it meant that I had to readjust a model that i've been poking at for many years in my spare time. Although I dont want to give everything away, his name is Mojo Mo, Knight of Atreus.
One caveat, I'm an accomplished procrastinator and its entirely possible that only some or none of any of this will ever happen.

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Obviously, he isnt finished. I still need to finish his textures and make his suit.

One thing i'de like to get opinions on here is the colour of the Boron in that Egosoft concept image. While I've tried to emulate the final look in the picture (which I think looks like a Lobster? Black and orange), I dont actually think the Boron IS that colour. I think its possible that the concept artist imagined an orange light BEHIND the Boron, and due to the Boron being semi-translucent, makes him look orange. Same goes for the green fingers and other details, I doubt they are glowing green, it is subsurface scattering of he green lights around him. Thoughts? Is it bio-luminescent? My original hope before I saw the new concept art was to base their textures on Cuttlefish, this model was blue and white originally.

Also, the bottom half of him... it is suit or shell? It looks a bit like a lobsters shell, covering his tentacles, but it could also be a suit that covers the whole bottom half of his body.


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Oh, If Egosoft want to make the Boron ships and stations full of water, if they want to take on the responsibility of doing that well, then I would LOVE that. The player has a space suit, it is air tight, therefore it is watertight. Long ago when I was obsessing over my ship models for XTC I had a dream about entering a Boron section of a station and swimming through floorless corridors, with the Boron whizzing past at inhuman speeds - the Boron in their native habitat would be quite impressive.

Oh.. one last last thing. If anyone at Egosoft is reading this, would it be at all possible to get a high res image of this concept image? It would REALLY help.
Even better, is the artist still working for you? I'de love to know about his intended skin colour and the bottom half of his body/suit. Thanks :)


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I vote for guild navigator tanks 8)

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That model sure looks nice, but... for a being of supposedly aquatic habitat, it sure doesn't look like it's got any reasonable swimming capability. It looks more like a slug, or something that could crawl the seabed rather than freely roam the oceans.
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radcapricorn wrote: Sat, 17. Nov 18, 13:10 That model sure looks nice, but... for a being of supposedly aquatic habitat, it sure doesn't look like it's got any reasonable swimming capability. It looks more like a slug, or something that could crawl the seabed rather than freely roam the oceans.
+1. Reminds me a slug. Wasnt Boron fishlike creature of ocean world?
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Borons aren't good swimmers, at least that's what Bala Gi keeps shouting in your ears in X2 while criticising your slow Express.
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radcapricorn wrote: Sat, 17. Nov 18, 13:10 That model sure looks nice, but... for a being of supposedly aquatic habitat, it sure doesn't look like it's got any reasonable swimming capability. It looks more like a slug, or something that could crawl the seabed rather than freely roam the oceans.
I think I read somewhere that they swim like Octopus or Squid, by jet propulsion. They suck water through their mouths into a muscular pouch in their body and then compress it and shoot it out the back. I also remember reading that they are actually very good swimmers, although they dont have to be to be believable aquatic aliens, there are some aquatic creatures on earth that are terrible swimmers. If anyone has seen any of this info written down somewhere in black and white i'de love to hear about it.

Oh, we also dont know much about their home planet Nishala - its atmosphere/gravity will define how difficult it is to swim and therefore how a creature could evolve to do it, but again none of this is really defined.
BigBANGtheory wrote: Sat, 17. Nov 18, 10:27 I vote for guild navigator tanks 8)

nice work btw.
Had to google that one, and lol :p
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Hankyke wrote: Sat, 17. Nov 18, 13:24
radcapricorn wrote: Sat, 17. Nov 18, 13:10 That model sure looks nice, but... for a being of supposedly aquatic habitat, it sure doesn't look like it's got any reasonable swimming capability. It looks more like a slug, or something that could crawl the seabed rather than freely roam the oceans.
+1. Reminds me a slug. Wasnt Boron fishlike creature of ocean world?
They might have been terrible swimmers, like unto seahorses, but thrived due to their incredible intelligence. Humans after all are not the most athletic or fast creatures compared to other animals of comparable size.
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Falcrack wrote: Sat, 17. Nov 18, 16:52
Hankyke wrote: Sat, 17. Nov 18, 13:24
radcapricorn wrote: Sat, 17. Nov 18, 13:10 That model sure looks nice, but... for a being of supposedly aquatic habitat, it sure doesn't look like it's got any reasonable swimming capability. It looks more like a slug, or something that could crawl the seabed rather than freely roam the oceans.
+1. Reminds me a slug. Wasnt Boron fishlike creature of ocean world?
They might have been terrible swimmers, like unto seahorses, but thrived due to their incredible intelligence. Humans after all are not the most athletic or fast creatures compared to other animals of comparable size.
Fun fact - Humas might not be physically amazing creature, but researchers found out we are best "marathon running" creature on the planet - basically while we cannot outrun for example the horse, we can win in the endurnance chase (especially if the target was softened with some stones and arrows).
With this you can feel a bit more badass...biologically speaking.
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A fair point regarding the environment of a boron ship, a spacesuit capable of operating in a vacuum could conceivably likewise operate in a liquid environment. With the appropriate hookups and adaptations
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The way to introduce Boron in the X4 would be (in my opinion):

They built docking platforms/hangars for other "walking" races on their stations but since they live in some water tanks only way to communicate with them is via computers/terminals/holodancers :) You can't hire Boron crew (Boron model in some flying water bubble sounds ridiculous).

You can buy any Boron ship - it will be outfited with cockpit (they need money so why not design ships for other races), any Boron ship you encounter in the world can't be claimed/boarded because it's not possible to dock/pilot with all the water inside ;) (simillar to Xenon in XR) - hacking Boron ships might be possible if you buy some expensive "illegal" software that can help operate stolen Boron ships (without a crew inside) but it will damage reputation with their faction.

If they would be introduced this way in the game (with some DLC) I would not have any complaints - I just like their ships.

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Boron's have mouths in early X games on video feeds iirc so just say there air breathing aquatic mammals like the whale species of earth.

No need for all this water in ships talk then just say they evolved to the ability to walk on land with tentical legs or something.

Also don't base boron's on last concept art it's not really doable for practical reasons instead base them from the video feed of early X games as they look they could walk and breath air fine.
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Skeeter wrote: Sat, 17. Nov 18, 22:23 Boron's have mouths in early X games on video feeds iirc so just say there air breathing aquatic mammals like the whale species of earth.

No need for all this water in ships talk then just say they evolved to the ability to walk on land with tentical legs or something.

Also don't base boron's on last concept art it's not really doable for practical reasons instead base them from the video feed of early X games as they look they could walk and breath air fine.
It looks like you didnt actually read my post. And the latest concept has a mouth. The early X games designs are terrible, this latest concept is egosoft attempting to moderise and de-cartoonify the race, just like they have done with the others.
I am vehemently opposed to making them walk or breathe air, it just isnt necessary.
nieprawda wrote: Sat, 17. Nov 18, 22:13 They built docking platforms/hangars for other "walking" races on their stations but since they live in some water tanks only way to communicate with them is via computers/terminals/holodancers :) You can't hire Boron crew (Boron model in some flying water bubble sounds ridiculous).
We could hve both. Docking platforms just like the other races have, where you can walk around and interact with Boron NPC's, and windows into Boron living sections where we can see them swimming around, just for show/flavour.
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While we are on the topic of modernization, aren't Paranid are supposed to be tall and muscular insect-like?
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repatomonor wrote: Sun, 18. Nov 18, 00:19 While we are on the topic of modernization, aren't Paranid are supposed to be tall and muscular insect-like?
Tall yes, muscular no. I've think they've done a great job with the new Paranid models - and as far as I can tell they actually are a little taller than humans in-game. Would be a travesty if they arnt literally looking down on us pathetic low-lives.
Their bodies stand very tall, taller than any human. They are also very slim and bony, short of having an exoskeleton. Their appearance has reminiscences of insects, but on the other hand, they're clearly no insects at all.
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I probably mixed that information up with something else. Probably Terraformars.
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Paranid
Vultur inflatius

History and origins
The homeworld of this species is Paranid Prime, a planet
consisting mostly of arid desert. The Paranid dwell in artifi‐
cial cave networks beneath the surface itself: these may be
as much as forty kilometres in depth and range over thou‐
sands. It is usual for all Paranid to be conceived in the
Cathedral of the Pontifex, where they will also later hatch.
The ancestors of the Paranid were capable of flight, and this
ability was lost around the time of the first historical records,
and the central element of their mythology, the legend of the
"Reclamation of the Skies", is one of great importance to the
Paranid. It deals with their discovery of mathematics and,
subsequently, technology, which gave them the means to
construct aircraft to give them back sovereignty over the
skies of their world and, ultimately, carry them beyond into
space.

Section E: The Races of the Community of Planets E-15
So Paranid are related to birds.

And Kha 'ak have traits common to birds and insects while not being distinctly either.

As for the Boron I was thinking either some sort of Vorlon Encounter Suit [Babylon 5]. This was used more for subtifuge rather than environmental life support.
or a hardened stilsuit [Dune] (also resistent to the vacuum of space rather than just reducing mositure loss to the atmosphere) but the non suspended montion rules the stilsuit out as option for the Boron.

Communication via a synthetic speaker is fine built into the tank/aquarium/suit seems plausible.

How was direct Boron to non Boron Communitactions handled anyway?

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Ormac wrote: Sun, 18. Nov 18, 04:55 or a hardened stilsuit [Dune] (also resistent to the vacuum of space rather than just reducing mositure loss to the atmosphere) but the non suspended montion rules the stilsuit out as option for the Boron.
I havent seen dune, but what do you mean by the suspended motion thing? I did a quick google and it looks like the 'stilsuit' is basically a spacesuit? Add some thrusters/anti-grav booster and voila, floating, protected boron.
I dont think its necessary to have them completely enclosed though.
Ormac wrote: Sun, 18. Nov 18, 04:55 Communication via a synthetic speaker is fine built into the tank/aquarium/suit seems plausible.
I would love it if they did this, add some strange noises and squeels behind the voicing and it would imply that what the boron is saying is being translated on-the-fly (I actually think there is something about this in the lore, but cant remember where I saw it).
Ormac wrote: Sun, 18. Nov 18, 04:55 How was direct Boron to non Boron Communitactions handled anyway?
I have a vague memory of seeing that they use both sound and body language/motion to communicate, like moving their eyestalks around.
Hopefully someone can find sources for this stuff :D

And, we have Tentacles :boron: :boron: :boron:
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No real reason exists why the Boron shouldn't breathe air if they are an evolved species, as far as real biology suggests is that they SHOULD have the capacity to breathe air.
Their is a functional limit to how much oxygen intake of more primitive oxygen exchange methods can take in that directly relates to how large and active they can grow, human brains use 20% of the total oxygen intake, a fish may use 3%.

The smartest and largest creatures in Earths Oceans have air breathing lungs.

Boron should from a biology standpoint breathe air, they likely can get by fine using some kind of "wetter" that keeps their lungs/skin wet much like Dolphins and Whales can survive just fine when beached as long as humans keep pouring water over them so they don't dry out.

All a Boron should need is a "water" rebreather that they would likely use every few minutes to re-wet their lungs and a skin tight suit that retains moisture. Their sleeping and leisure quarters are likely separate section of the ship and while would have pools etc would still need an atmosphere for them to rise up and breathe from.
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Phoynix wrote: Sun, 18. Nov 18, 07:35 No real reason exists why the Boron shouldn't breathe air if they are an evolved species, as far as real biology suggests is that they SHOULD have the capacity to breathe air.
Their is a functional limit to how much oxygen intake of more primitive oxygen exchange methods can take in that directly relates to how large and active they can grow, human brains use 20% of the total oxygen intake, a fish may use 3%.
From the Argonopaedia
Planet Boron is a vast distance from Argon Prime, with a very different atmosphere and planetary conditions. Its surface is covered with deadly chemical swamps and the atmosphere is based upon an ammonia compound that, to any Humanoid, would mean instant death. The planet also has a great many huge oceans in which the Boron race evolved and lives up to the present day.
Real biology on earth. The makeup of their home planet is vastly different to earth, wouldnt they evolve in a very different way?

And thank you for getting me to search for that info because I had forgot to check the Boron argonopaedia (thought the info was the same as the Wiki which ive been looking at), and there is a wealth of information there! Heres some of it, which answer a lot of the other questions/speculations in this thread. Looks like some of this info hasnt been updated to the latest concept though, but its great nevertheless.
The suit idea should be retconned though :p

The Borons today
Boron live in water. They have six main limbs, of which four are stronger built then the others. Additionally, they have a varying number of very small tentacles. They have snouts and those big eyes on stalks like.

There is a third, relatively rare gender to the Boron, which is called Lar. The Lar are mostly extremely intelligent and are in many important positions within the parliament and the royal family. Lars never have the short, playful names "normal" Borons like. They tend to use beautiful names of honour, sometimes adopted from other species. Lar are addressed as female, although humans can't distinguish Boron of different gender anyway.

Boron use environment suits if they are outside their element. These environment suits are made of white translucent and flexible polymer material. The suits have extensions only for the four main limbs. But you can see the other two limbs and the small tentacles as they press from inside the suit, since it's not completely opaque. On top of the suit is a round see through "globe" (like glass – but made of a durable plastic) where their head is. While inside their suits, they do not 'walk' (they're much too weak for that, since they're used to float under water). The suits are equipped with an anti-g device that makes them float everywhere, but they try not to float too obviously, as not to irritate others.

When floating in the same water, Boron's can 'taste' RNA molecules from other Borons and so get a (hazy) concept of what's on the other Boron's mind (does not work with other species). The Boron RNA stays in the water for a long time.

Boron turn their stalks inwards towards each other when they are amused. Their way of smiling.

They have an ability with their four main tentacles to snap small bones together thereby creating an appendage (arm, leg) with small grips (very small thin fingers). This gives them the ability to lift or move things around more easily. Adults can do this selectively (just one tentacle for example) while younger "children" can only perform all at once. They get the selective ability as they mature.

They are just over a meter in length with the largest males reaching about 1.3 meters.

They have a "jet" like propulsion system that resides in the bottom of their torso. They suck water in through their snouts and pass it into their "gills" to extract oxygen. The water is then pushed out through this "hole" and this creates the jet like behavior. This gives them the ability to move around very quickly in water.

They take food through the snout (mainly plankton type organisms or small *fish*) and their suits have devices to allow the items to be introduced into their "mini" water environment. Although in their native water they would glide to eat plankton or actively hunt for small fish.

They dislike most drug inducing products but it has been known for them to introduce spaceweed derivatives into their environment suits.

The Borons tend to talk in very longwinded, awkward sentences that are full of repetitions. Also, they love strange sounding metaphors. They can, however, talk very to-the-point when in danger for their live.
Some bulletpoints from that:-

- Boron can effectively read eachothers frikkin minds!
- Some of their communication is by movement of their eye stalks.
- They can snap their limbs around and make them semi-rigid (important for X4)
- THEY HAVE ANTI-GRAVITY DEVICES AND CAN FLOAT (can we forget the whole mech suit/walking stuff now please?)
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Going from already having artificial gravity on ships and stations to boron having floating anti-gravity devices is not a big hurdle.

I don't think that its necessary for aquatic species to fill their ships with water as mentioned here. There quite a difference in having an air filled ship to having a water filled ship in for example the weight of the ship and acceleration and deceleration would take more energy, which could easily justify the need for gas filled ship instead of water. It would make a lot of sense that a species capable of interstellar travel would be able to rid themselves of being bound to water environment with ease.

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