Is it possible to fly from Sector to Sector without the use of a Jumpgate?

[feuerball11]

Hi there,
first: Sry if this post is already existent, i'm terrible in the use of search engines.

So, i saw in the Official gameplay Trailer at 2:31 that there will be Sectors, and that you are able to scroll from the Galaxymap dircetly to the sectormap.

So i'm asking myself: Are the sectors direktly near each other? Would it be possible to just fly with Travelspeed from one Sector to another without the use of the Jumpgate?

The "All is seamless without loading" from egosoft seems to go with that, Also that the Map can be scrolled makes me belive that this could be done.

To be clear: not that you want to do that, if you can use Jumpgates. Its more a "Could you do it"

Maybe in some circumstances it would be even usefull. If you would need through 2-4 Sectors with gates, but you could just cross them inbetween.

What do you guys think?

Kind Regards, feuerball11

[CBJ]

Simple answer: no. The definition of a sector is that it is an area of space that can be flown around continuously. There may be different ways to get between them, but just flying through normal space isn't one of them.

[StoneLegionYT]

I think the seamless without loading is more of a reference from cockpit to station to bridge, etc.
If your computer is fast enough when you use a gate or teleport far ranges even in Rebirth it does not feel like a loading screen just a split bit of lag loading any new assets.

[sd_jasper]

To expand a bit con CBJ's post, based on some comments made in the past: Jump Gates connect "clusters", which are made up of several Sectors. Sectors can be connected via Orbital Accelerators (not sure if Super Highways might also be used). You can fly around the Sector, but to reach a new one will require you to take the OA, or a Gate (which will take you to a sector in another Cluster).

I guess this leaves the possibility of single sector clusters, which could only be moved through by gates. This would be a closer match to the older commonwealth sectors. While the new approach would be more like the Terran sectors (where all of the Sol System would be one cluster, and each "sector" would be an area like Earth, Mars, Jupiter 1, Jupiter 2, etc.)

As far as the no loading, that's still a thing. When flying through a gate in X Rebirth, there was no loading screen, no couple of seconds of darkness. You just appeared in the new sector instantly (I did sometimes see the background stars/nebula pop in a fraction of a second after I arrived and could see the station/ships, so I hope that's been improved).

[LittleBird]

Sectors are huge areas in the galaxy connected through jumpgates.
Important note is that sector A is not located near sector B. Both are at entirely different locations inside the galaxy. The distance by flying is far far way and outside the reach of any travel engine.
So traveling without a jumpgate would be impossible.
The map just shows you sector A near sector B because it's connceted by the gate. The X-universe you see in the series is allways the gate network.

But you can fly "seamless" inside the sector form zone to zone (parts of the sector).

[CBJ]

No LittleBird, you've confused sectors with clusters.

You just described clusters perfectly in the main part of your post. Sectors within a cluster are relatively close, but still separate as far as the game is concerned.

[feuerball11]

Not much left to say except:
Thank you for clerification. And my assumption i got through the small time seeing the map was wrong.

Had a debate ofer this with a coworker ^^

Kind Regards, Feuerball11

[Axeface]

No LittleBird, you've confused sectors with clusters.

You just described clusters perfectly in the main part of your post. Sectors within a cluster are relatively close, but still separate as far as the game is concerned.

They are officially called 'Clusters'? I thought they were 'Systems' (as in star system) like in rebirth. With gates connecting Systems (that can be anywherte in the galaxy), Superhighways connecting different areas within systems, and then highways connecting zones?
The use of the word cluster seems a bit strange.

[ishmaeltheforsaken]

No LittleBird, you've confused sectors with clusters.

You just described clusters perfectly in the main part of your post. Sectors within a cluster are relatively close, but still separate as far as the game is concerned.

They are officially called 'Clusters'? I thought they were 'Systems' (as in star system) like in rebirth. With gates connecting Systems (that can be anywherte in the galaxy), Superhighways connecting different areas within systems, and then highways connecting zones?
The use of the word cluster seems a bit strange.

They were called clusters in Rebirth as well. There's a difference between the internal out-of-game language and the more in-fiction word.

[Axeface]

They were called clusters in Rebirth as well. There's a difference between the internal out-of-game language and the more in-fiction word.

Where were they called this? I have a vague recollection of them being called it somewhere and thinking how odd it was. I just loaded up X Rebirth and the Galaxy map goes Galaxy > System > Sector > Zone. And 'system' is indeed a star system. Also, from the Home of Light DLC steam page... "A Larger Universe: Set a course through the Jump Gates to three whole new systems".

im just looking for clarification because its confusing. When people say cluster I instantly think 'star cluster' because thats the only real-world phrase that comes to mind.

[ishmaeltheforsaken]

They were called clusters in Rebirth as well. There's a difference between the internal out-of-game language and the more in-fiction word.

Where were they called this? I have a vague recollection of them being called it somewhere and thinking how odd it was. I just loaded up X Rebirth and the Galaxy map goes Galaxy > System > Sector > Zone. And 'system' is indeed a star system. Also, from the Home of Light DLC steam page... "A Larger Universe: Set a course through the Jump Gates to three whole new systems".

im just looking for clarification because its confusing. When people say cluster I instantly think 'star cluster' because thats the only real-world phrase that comes to mind.

They were called this in posts by the devs here on the forums. Again, the language used internally is different from the language used in-fiction. "Cluster" is a technical metagame term. "System" is the fictional thing being represented by the game.

[csaba]

No LittleBird, you've confused sectors with clusters.

You just described clusters perfectly in the main part of your post. Sectors within a cluster are relatively close, but still separate as far as the game is concerned.

They are officially called 'Clusters'? I thought they were 'Systems' (as in star system) like in rebirth. With gates connecting Systems (that can be anywherte in the galaxy), Superhighways connecting different areas within systems, and then highways connecting zones?
The use of the word cluster seems a bit strange.

What I gathered sofar from information shared:

- Cluster = XR system with several sectors, Think of it as a solar system with several planets.
- Sectors are large areas made out of several zones, different locations in the same stellar system
- Sectors will likely be connected by super highways or trans orbital accelerators. essentially the same thing different name.
- Zones are the area that basically load in around you. Or they were in XR, this time the transitions are probably more seamless.
- The main difference we could see sofar comaperad to XR is that zones are directly connected at their border, and together make up the sector instead of highways connecting scattered pockets of space.

It's easiest to understand compared to XR. If we are going by X2-3 then a single commonwealth sector from there became a cluster using superhighways to connect other planets to the basic zone directly around the Jumpgate. Like the Terran sectors although this time a single zone is as large as an average sector from X2-3, so for example Mars would be divided into another 10-20 sub-sectors or zones.

[CBJ]

In XR the relationship between Systems and Clusters was very simple; systems were just the in-game name of what we referred to internally as Clusters, so it was a 1:1 thing. In X4 the relationship is a little more complicated; some Systems are now made up of more than one Cluster. In both games a System is more of a conceptual thing representing an identifiable area of space in relatively close proximity, whereas a Cluster is more of a technical thing.

What I said above would probably have been more accurately said for Systems than Clusters, but I used the latter term because it's what I deal with day-to-day in my work. Sorry for any confusion caused.

[Axeface]

In X4 the relationship is a little more complicated; some Systems are now made up of more than one Cluster.

Im even more confused now Everything I have seen implies that a 'System' in X Rebirth is a star system, like Sol. For example, 'Omicron Lyrae' I always assumed was a solar system, you use a gate to get to it, you travel between large objects such as planets within it with superhighways, and then around small areas near those objects with highways.

Do you mean that in X4 that isnt the case anymore? Does that mean that a 'System' in X4 can actually comprise of multiple solar systems?
I just want to know if a 'Cluster' or 'System' in X4 is a defined area of space made up of multiple arbitrary 'sectors' in ONE Solar System.

[Deggial]

Not much left to say except:
Thank you for clerification. And my assumption i got through the small time seeing the map was wrong.

Had a debate ofer this with a coworker ^^

Kind Regards, Feuerball11

Yea ... and the coworker had a very clear opinion on this topic, but wasn't believed ...

[LittleBird]

In X4 the relationship is a little more complicated; some Systems are now made up of more than one Cluster.

Im even more confused now

Same.
Can we have a powerpoint?

[CBJ]

Slide one:

• The Galaxy is made up of Clusters, representing the areas that you can visit.
• Sometimes Clusters that are close to one another in space are grouped together to form a System.
• Within a Cluster you can have one or more Sectors, which are areas of space that you can fly through continuously without the aid of gates or other means.
• In a Sector, areas that contain Ships, Stations or other objects, are called Zones (these are a lot less relevant in X4).

[Techcat]

Slide one:

• The Galaxy is made up of Clusters, representing the areas that you can visit.
• Sometimes Clusters that are close to one another in space are grouped together to form a System.
• Within a Cluster you can have one or more Sectors, which are areas of space that you can fly through continuously without the aid of gates or other means.
• In a Sector, areas that contain Ships, Stations or other objects, are called Zones (these are a lot less relevant in X4).

In this case will be nice to have a device for moving gates in one system. Hi-end game content.
Gates = Strategy point for defence.

[feuerball11]

So, i had jet another discussion with my coworker.

I'll put in a screenshot of the official trailer as reference.

The legend i poorly draw with paint is my idea of how it works.

So, we can say we have the following:

Zones -> Sector -> Cluster -> Systems

I think, the Blue Hexagons are Sectors, what means you could fly freely from one Hexagon to Another, But not the larger distance to the Next Cluster

My Coworker things the blue Hexagons are Already Cluster, and you cant fly between them.

I dont think this will add up, becouse:
If you take my idea, Systems are a group of clusters, there will be more then one system, Cluster are groups of Sectors, near together, Sectors are the blue Hexagons we see on the map, and Zones are the area around stations in this sectors, connected through a highway.

If you take the idea from my coworker, it all shifts by one, so Sectors are the area around stations. What should be Zones then?

The Image:
http://nextcloud.maschath.de/index.php/ ... oDdXaqawkf

[CBJ]

Actually you're both right in this case. The hexagons in that image are showing single-sector clusters, so the hexagon effectively represents both. A system would be shown as a set of adjacent hexagons, with the outlining indicating that they were related.