Joystick! Joystick! Halleleuiah!

[Aye Capn]

JOYSTICK!

Ahh, I just felt the need to say that word for some strange reason ...

"All I did was say 'Jehovah'"
-- Monty Python, _Life of Brian_

Oh, yeah, in keeping with EgoSoft's sense of humor:

"What? You mean I just paid $200 for a SpaceMaster Pro Mk VII Force-Feedback Spacebar and it won't fire my guns in X2? WTF?"

[KiwiNZ]

Who was it? Who said the word? I want to know!

[Draklith]

Tis' all irrelevant that of course...

tis' one thing that you shalt experience under the guise of such components as Thrustmaster, of course one must disable their POV...

Other than that there is no better, for realizm or simulation! Just Me

[Deleted User]

Joysticks ........... praise da lord ... err bout time i got a new one the old precision pro starting to rattle a bit, not surprising after surviving all those xenon an pirate attacks in XBTF and XT
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Lament of the mouse.*

Click, ignition, my motors fire

Excitement can't get any higher

A blip on my radar

Enemy ship not far

I reach for my mouse

And my double grouse

Click on lasers

Click on phasers

Enemies in sight

The mouse is right ?

My com speaker crackles

The enemy speaks

Listen up mouse pilot

My ship is controlled by stick

I also have all round vision

You just heard your last click.



I have clicked and clicked

And still get licked

These joystick pilots

Just cant be tricked

Well you know what they say

Down the old Milky Way

If you want to survive

Even stay alive

Forget the click

And buy a stick !

[Aye Capn]

Stick:
Thrustmaster FCS Mark I, No Springs
Years in service: 7
Number of spring sets busted: 2

Throttle:
Thrustmaster WCS Mark II, No Room (but use it anyway)
Years in service: 6

Rudder Pedals:
Sold (long story)

Gold lettering: worn black
Pots: nominal

Number of joysticks purchased (lifetime): 1

Quote: "It'll last longer if you don't replace the springs."
-- Thrustmaster Tech Support


Anyone else here fly without springs?

[SteveMill]

Another refugee fleeing the base tyranny of the Reactor Forum. Welcome.

[pjknibbs]

Another refugee fleeing the base tyranny of the Reactor Forum. Welcome.

To be fair to the Reactor guys, Aye Capn's first post there was more or less along the lines of "this game is gonna suck because it has no joystick support", and I imagine they're getting quite sick of those by now. How would you feel about a newbie who came onto this forum to say that X2 sucked because it didn't have full-size systems, or something like that?

[SteveMill]

Another refugee fleeing the base tyranny of the Reactor Forum. Welcome.

To be fair to the Reactor guys, Aye Capn's first post there was more or less along the lines of "this game is gonna suck because it has no joystick support", and I imagine they're getting quite sick of those by now. How would you feel about a newbie who came onto this forum to say that X2 sucked because it didn't have full-size systems, or something like that?

I'd defend his right to say whatever he wanted. That's what freedom of speech is all about. I'd also agree with him about the full sized systems.

You wait and hear what I have to say if X2 is a bug-ridden, dumb AI initial release.

[Deleted User]

A blessing in disguise ? perhaps the more lancer chase away new players (especially j/stick pilots) X2 might benefit with a bigger fanbase, are they doing us a favour ? i think so

[Snokid]

hey....!! ! you're right Roboy.....











**went into hibernation and ready to awake**corny?

[Deleted User]

Thank the stars snowy's back from his hibernation ... good rest ?

[Snokid]

actually we had lost the internet for a few days because a wire was out of place...I didn't care not having the internet cause I was having fun doing other things....so now I don't plan on being on this thing that mmuch anymore....

[SteveMill]

A blessing in disguise ? perhaps the more lancer chase away new players (especially j/stick pilots) X2 might benefit with a bigger fanbase, are they doing us a favour ? i think so

Good point, all the more reason for us to be tolerant and open not defensive, and reason for Egosoft to get the release right first time.

[silentWitness]

If the British Empire lasts for a thousand years, men will still say

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Long live freedom of speech! long live the mods, Egosoft and Helge...

[Deleted User]

I got a feeling a few months after release of FL droves of players will seek out X2,
when i read previews of the game i sense a dissapointment in the reviewer, oh yeah they sing praises but only the bare minimum there's no gush of excitement or VA VA Voom if you know what i mean

[Snokid]

but there is also the apprehension and caution of not knowing exactly what they are holding back...









but egosoft is holding back also

[Aye Capn]

FL's lack of joystick support and in particular the way that lack of support is condescendingly marketed as an advantage had the tandem effect of bringing me here.

I never did get a straight answer to the question, "Why can't we have a joystick option?" which is all I really wanted. The "official" answer is, "The designers didn't want to require a joystick."

The obvious follow-up question is, "But if it were optional wouldn't that mean it isn't required?"

The answer to that question is, "The designers didn't want to require a joystick."

Nonplussed by the obvious discombobulation experienced by those answering the question, one naturally -- but futilely -- hopes that asking the same question again might eventually wear down that hippocanthic barrier in their brains that causes them to ignore the difference between "required" and "optional", and so one feels compelled to ask the question again: "But if it were optional wouldn't that mean it isn't required?"

Answer: Locked thread.

It is condescending for such an honest question to be dealt with so duplicitously. It's reminiscent of Dilbert's pointy-haired boss.

(Look at that from a distance and the question marks look like pointy hair)

It was that attitude that sent me here. Without FL and their anachronistically Orwellian behavior I wouldn't have given X2 a second look. I guess you could say I got lucky.

[Oldman]

It was that attitude that sent me here. Without FL and their anachronistically Orwellian behavior I wouldn't have given X2 a second look. I guess you could say I got lucky.

Having read the most recent post's concerning the lack of joystick support in Freelancer I've come to these conclusions (my own personal opinion btw )

Sure...I might buy the game....but only after buying X2.
It also depends whether Freelancer is released before X2, the current flavour I get is that Freelancer is going to be released before X2.
So?....do I spend my credits on Freelancer?
Depends on the price, and whether I've got the money to gamble on a game that I might not 'get on' with.
Having obviously played X i'm biased I suppose in that I will most definately buy X2, and the question of whether I buy (at time of release) Freelancer is open at the moment.
The Freelancer forum (again IMO) is obviously geared to the game, I expect that, but, at the same time I get the feeling as i've said somewhere else on this forum that the developers are saying...."this is what WE think you need, and that's what you'll get".
I can understand the Forum mods getting sick and tired of answering the 'joystick question', the game (Freelancer) as I understand quite clearly will not support joystick....fine.....
That will be the main reason why I'll be hesitant in purchasing Freelancer when it is released. I will be looking at reviews, and where possible seeing what other people have to say AFTER the game has been released.
Also btw there are other lesser reasons why I'm hesitant in buying Freelancer when it's initially released.
Point regarding purchase...
X2....already one copy sold.... I know the product, it reasonably suits my style and interest, it will be easy (interface) to control. Also I will be able to discuss the bad points as well as the good points on this forum (in a civil manner) prior to, and after release.
Freelancer.... .....unknown, but not lookin' good....maybe wait until it gets a bit cheaper, unless people are raving about how good it is!, but I'll still wait to see what the general feeling/demo is like before buying.

I think, (if anybody is browsing this forum and is also an 'official' from the Freelancer forum) my above post shows 'some' of the views that are thought about as regards purchasing Freelancer.
I would have liked to have posted on the Freelancer forum but there seems to be confusion as to what is accepted text/topics and what is not,(in my own opinion anyway) so i've posted onto this forum where I feel more at ease in discussing this topic.

Oldman

[Chrisalis]

err bout time i got a new one the old precision pro starting to rattle a bit, not surprising after surviving all those xenon an pirate attacks in XBTF and XT

Try a Microsoft Force Feedback 2, or a Logitech Wingman Force 3D.

[RustiSwordz]

I wanna Cougar!