Fingers crossed for 1.18

[baylock]

Given the extra time it is taking for 1.18 to come out i am hoping / expecting;

- Devs have taken a short brake to refresh and look at the issues form a new perspective (They are still only human), meaning 1.18 might have major effects on the issues people are having.

- Devs are working on a 'mega patch' instead of releasing small patches daily with the result of 'old bugs out new bugs in', the might be taking the time to test the changes they are making.

On a side note, i can swear at one point EgoSoft mentioned they wanted to make a new engine from scratch as none of the current engines where suitable for the type of game they wanted to make, fair enough, i just have one question.... How did the game end up with at best an average FPS control scheme??

'Complex, not Complicated' - Next time dont hang your motivational reminders across the hall from your mirrors.

How did none of the reviews i saw prior to game release have these issues??

And if i wanted use an Xbox controller to play a game, well, i would buy a bloody Xbox.

Ik, rant complete.

[Rupert Hound]

Theres rumours going around that a few of the Devs have left and that there are problems in house. I asked for an update but there hasnt been any responce from them. Infact 1 thread got moved and the other locked so iguess there just saying a big f**k you to there customers too now.

[pirke123]

I wouldn't blame them for leaving after the sh*tload they got from this forum...

Most people don't mind working hard and overtime, when they are given some appreciation and respect. If you don't treat them with respect, they don't give a f*ck about it anymore and just apply for a job elsewhere.

I for one am thankful for all the effort the people at Egosoft are doing for us. Working evenings, working Saturdays. And I love X:R big time! Even in it's current state I find it an enjoyable game. I can't wait until it gets even better!

(just to prevent a misunderstanding: this wasn't sarcasm... i mean every word of it)

[Zourin]

How did none of the reviews i saw prior to game release have these issues??
.

Because it's a very old, very sleazy trick that is the hallmark of bad games.

When your product sucks, give the reviewers a sterile 'demo' to play and release NOTHING else until after release.

The less of the truth you give pre-release reviewers, the better your pre-order sales will be for a bad product.

SimCity not being the foremost among bait-and-switch hype scams, even they put forward a much more comprehensive 'preview' than what we got to see of Stillbirth here.

[Zackaryel]

Theres rumours going around that a few of the Devs have left and that there are problems in house. I asked for an update but there hasnt been any responce from them. Infact 1 thread got moved and the other locked so iguess there just saying a big f**k you to there customers too now.

Not customers.
Just spoiled idiots who can't refrain themselves to rant on a forum to vent their disappointed kid's frustration.
Tbh it's getting on my nerves as well.

[Defektiv]

I wouldn't blame them for leaving after the sh*tload they got from this forum...

Most people don't mind working hard and overtime, when they are given some appreciation and respect. If you don't treat them with respect, they don't give a f*ck about it anymore and just apply for a job elsewhere.

The internets are a place where the most horribly opinionated, self-entitled people are the ones that make the most noise unfortunately. Egosoft is no stranger to criticism and they have enough loyal support. They just simply do not respond to rumors and such, its not their style. And I personally wouldn't blame them because when you're dealing with people who cannot control their emotions, there is no way you're going to talk any reason into them.

[TSU Wolfbyte]

I wouldn't blame them for leaving after the sh*tload they got from this forum...

Most people don't mind working hard and overtime, when they are given some appreciation and respect. If you don't treat them with respect, they don't give a f*ck about it anymore and just apply for a job elsewhere.

This works both ways.. Many of us work hard for our money and I'll bet a good bulk of us are in minimum wage jobs. Some of us might even have families to support while others might have raised the money by selling off items they can spare just to raise the money for the game (I've known several friends who've done this in the days gone past for various reasons).. What Egosoft presented us was a huge slap in the face to each person that bought the game.

Not trying to start a fight here - but I wanted to add that. People are angry, justifiably. The obvious target is Egosoft because, in the here and now, that's what's sparked it. There may be many other factors in someones life that contribute to it, but this, for some, is the straw that breaks the camels back - particularly because, for many, they feel they've been conned with all the hype about what they were getting, or because Egosoft have effectively broken their trust by delivering a product and charging a premium price for it, that doesn't work as advertised.

Just consider there are many reasons for the outrage. Some remain calm, others feel betrayed and many other feelings are out there. The anger is directed at Egosoft and rightly so if it's directed for the right reason. Customers have paid you to do a job and you've half-assed it - would you boss allow you to continue on without batting an eyelid, or would he pull you to one side and express his stand point?..

Just some thoughts to consider.

[steelgrey75]

And if i wanted use an Xbox controller to play a game, well, i would buy a bloody Xbox.

Thats the beauty of the PC, the choice of control available, you want less choice by the sound of it. Can't understand that train of thought, more choice is always best.

[Rupert Hound]

I wouldn't blame them for leaving after the sh*tload they got from this forum...

Most people don't mind working hard and overtime, when they are given some appreciation and respect. If you don't treat them with respect, they don't give a f*ck about it anymore and just apply for a job elsewhere.

This works both ways.. Many of us work hard for our money and I'll bet a good bulk of us are in minimum wage jobs. Some of us might even have families to support while others might have raised the money by selling off items they can spare just to raise the money for the game (I've known several friends who've done this in the days gone past for various reasons).. What Egosoft presented us was a huge slap in the face to each person that bought the game.

Not trying to start a fight here - but I wanted to add that. People are angry, justifiably. The obvious target is Egosoft because, in the here and now, that's what's sparked it. There may be many other factors in someones life that contribute to it, but this, for some, is the straw that breaks the camels back - particularly because, for many, they feel they've been conned with all the hype about what they were getting, or because Egosoft have effectively broken their trust by delivering a product and charging a premium price for it, that doesn't work as advertised.

Just consider there are many reasons for the outrage. Some remain calm, others feel betrayed and many other feelings are out there. The anger is directed at Egosoft and rightly so if it's directed for the right reason. Customers have paid you to do a job and you've half-assed it - would you boss allow you to continue on without batting an eyelid, or would he pull you to one side and express his stand point?..

Just some thoughts to consider.

Couldnt of said it better myself, also would like to add that i think people would be far more forgiving if we were kept in the loop, explained whats going on and how there going to fix it.

The way people are acting about people who are complaining make me wonder exactly who is spoilt? If you are in a position where you can spend £40 for a pile of shit and NOT care about it then who is the spoilt one?

Some of us have kids to pay for and dont have mommy and daddy to buy us stuff. Personally i asked for this as an early xmas present from my wife so forgive me but i think ive got every right to be pissed off and complain.

I could go on but ill just be saying exactly the same thing that this dude just said so i wont.

[NBCDumb]

Theres rumours going around that a few of the Devs have left and that there are problems in house.

So.... there is room for more?
I'm looking for a new dev employment, being bored with website/webapp developpement ^^ Working for Egosoft, in X serie, is one of my (no more) secret wishes, even after the current X: Beyond Repair state. (Refactoring bad architectures/interfaces is one of my favorite hobbies)

[Gupster]

I wouldn't blame them for leaving after the sh*tload they got from this forum...

Most people don't mind working hard and overtime, when they are given some appreciation and respect. If you don't treat them with respect, they don't give a f*ck about it anymore and just apply for a job elsewhere.

I for one am thankful for all the effort the people at Egosoft are doing for us. Working evenings, working Saturdays. And I love X:R big time! Even in it's current state I find it an enjoyable game. I can't wait until it gets even better!

(just to prevent a misunderstanding: this wasn't sarcasm... i mean every word of it)

If people in house do start leaving then i will blame all the people flinging shit about on this forum if the game does not get patched properly by them.

[JClosed]

I wouldn't blame them for leaving after the sh*tload they got from this forum...

Most people don't mind working hard and overtime, when they are given some appreciation and respect. If you don't treat them with respect, they don't give a f*ck about it anymore and just apply for a job elsewhere.

This works both ways.. Many of us work hard for our money and I'll bet a good bulk of us are in minimum wage jobs. Some of us might even have families to support while others might have raised the money by selling off items they can spare just to raise the money for the game (I've known several friends who've done this in the days gone past for various reasons).. What Egosoft presented us was a huge slap in the face to each person that bought the game.

Not trying to start a fight here - but I wanted to add that. People are angry, justifiably. The obvious target is Egosoft because, in the here and now, that's what's sparked it. There may be many other factors in someones life that contribute to it, but this, for some, is the straw that breaks the camels back - particularly because, for many, they feel they've been conned with all the hype about what they were getting, or because Egosoft have effectively broken their trust by delivering a product and charging a premium price for it, that doesn't work as advertised.

Just consider there are many reasons for the outrage. Some remain calm, others feel betrayed and many other feelings are out there. The anger is directed at Egosoft and rightly so if it's directed for the right reason. Customers have paid you to do a job and you've half-assed it - would you boss allow you to continue on without batting an eyelid, or would he pull you to one side and express his stand point?..

Just some thoughts to consider.

Well - I work in the IT business as freelancer. The € 50 price of the game is about one to two hour work for me.

I am enjoying the game (well until 1.17 that is), and I have already an respectable amount of playtime done with this game (and yes i am enjoying it). So - not too bad I should say. I already got an multiple of hours playtime back for the humble one to two hours I have worked to earn the money to buy the game.

Seen in this light I already got what I have worked for. Anything more is no more or less than a free bonus...

Please don't take this too seriously - this comment is a bit tongue in cheek, but it also carries an little core of truth in it..

[steelgrey75]

If people in house do start leaving then i will blame all the people flinging shit about on this forum if the game does not get patched properly by them.

No, its not the forum users faults if this is the case, if they had released a game that was in a working state then there would have no need to leave. Sure, people are crying out for blood on here, but they are angry because they spent money they have had to earn, that pays the blokes wages who's job it was to make the game in the first place. The only people to blame are themselves

[Gupster]

If people in house do start leaving then i will blame all the people flinging shit about on this forum if the game does not get patched properly by them.

No, its not the forum users faults if this is the case, if they had released a game that was in a working state then there would have no need to leave. Sure, people are crying out for blood on here, but they are angry because they spent money they have had to earn, that pays the blokes wages who's job it was to make the game in the first place. The only people to blame are themselves

I am one of the people that spent money on the UK collectors edition and whilst i am unhappy with the bugs and low performance at this point in time and have stopped playing it until it is fixed i see no point in shit throwing at the devs who have told us they are hard at work fixing it, and whilst i am just as frustrated as everyone else on this forum i also know that if i was to start a personal campaign of hatred towards the devs i lower myself by doing this and it serves no practical purpose at all.

I am more angry at those in this forum who are picking up shit and throwing it at the devs than i am at the devs themselves, people really need to get a grip in this forum, if the devs get so fed up that they stop patching we ALL really will be in the shite.

[Zackaryel]

I am one of the people that spent money on the UK collectors edition and whilst i am unhappy with the bugs and low performance at this point in time and have stopped playing it until it is fixed i see no point in shit throwing at the devs who have told us they are hard at work fixing it, and whilst i am just as frustrated as everyone else on this forum i also know that if i was to start a personal campaign of hatred towards the devs i lower myself by doing this and it serves no practical purpose at all.

I am more angry at those in this forum who are picking up shit and throwing it at the devs than i am at the devs themselves, people really need to get a grip in this forum, if the devs get so fed up that they stop patching we ALL really will be in the shite.

Amen.

[bunyarra]

This works both ways.. Many of us work hard for our money and I'll bet a good bulk of us are in minimum wage jobs. Some of us might even have families to support while others might have raised the money by selling off items they can spare just to raise the money for the game (I've known several friends who've done this in the days gone past for various reasons).

Quite frankly, if money is so short and there is a family to support, then buying ANY game (or smoking or drinking or gambling) should be so far down the list of priorities that it becomes a non-issue. I call bullsh*t on this as an excuse for the dreadful flaming.

Whatever people think about the game and it's issues, there is never an excuse to wish developers dead, redundant or the company to go bust putting 100's out of work.

The english language is sufficiently robust that displeasure and distaste for another's actions can be expressed without resorting to demeaning insults or crass abuse.

I will bet the majority of those baying for blood over the price of the game spend more than that on coffee/beer/cigarettes in a month. I'll also bet the same monthly coffee allowance that they would not say to the dev's faces the same vitriol filled words they spew forth in the forums.

Yes, there are bugs, yes the devs know about them, yes the bugs should not have been there and yes they will be fixed. And probably far faster if feedback was constructive rather than destructive.

[Gupster]

This works both ways.. Many of us work hard for our money and I'll bet a good bulk of us are in minimum wage jobs. Some of us might even have families to support while others might have raised the money by selling off items they can spare just to raise the money for the game (I've known several friends who've done this in the days gone past for various reasons).

Quite frankly, if money is so short and there is a family to support, then buying ANY game (or smoking or drinking or gambling) should be so far down the list of priorities that it becomes a non-issue. I call bullsh*t on this as an excuse for the dreadful flaming.

Whatever people think about the game and it's issues, there is never an excuse to wish developers dead, redundant or the company to go bust putting 100's out of work.


The english language is sufficiently robust that displeasure and distaste for another's actions can be expressed without resorting to demeaning insults or crass abuse.

I will bet the majority of those baying for blood over the price of the game spend more than that on coffee/beer/cigarettes in a month. I'll also bet the same monthly coffee allowance that they would not say to the dev's faces the same vitriol filled words they spew forth in the forums.

Yes, there are bugs, yes the devs know about them, yes the bugs should not have been there and yes they will be fixed. And probably far faster if feedback was constructive rather than destructive.

+1

[werewolves?]

If I didn't have enough money for Rebirth, I would have just waited a month for it to be on sale or just not bought it. Likewise if I cared about bugs I wouldn't have preordered.

Not too worried about the state of the game as I see these games as a long term investment and treat them as such. I expect Rebirth to get to 3.0 as well.

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

Yes, there are bugs, yes the devs know about them, yes the bugs should not have been there and yes they will be fixed. And probably far faster if feedback was constructive rather than destructive.

About this part of your post +1000

About the rest, let's leave all the back biting where it belongs.

[Gupster]

If I didn't have enough money for Rebirth, I would have just waited a month for it to be on sale or just not bought it. Likewise if I cared about bugs I wouldn't have preordered.

Not too worried about the state of the game as I see these games as a long term investment and treat them as such. I expect Rebirth to get to 3.0 as well.

It might not get to version 2.0 if Ego-soft quite rightly get fed up with working hard on fixing it whilst some people on this forum and elsewhere keep acting like deranged cabbages towards them.