Wtf ! This Is Just Stupid !

Lhotse5 · Post by **Lhotse5** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 05:51

This is my THIRD attempt to play this game, in spite of the bugs !

Once again, I'm trying to deliver energy cells and this time when I get to the drop off point, there's a Science ship in the way that will not move !
No matter how long you wait !

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So I reload back to before I bought the cells and try again. Same thing happens, so I wait and wait and wait and wait some more and try communicating...everything to get it to move...an HOUR I'm waiting, so at this point I have no choice but to destroy the Science ship and take a -1 standing with Heart of Albion. Now my Ranahan freighter starts moving over to unload BUT ! the destroyed Science ship is in the way just enough so that the drones can't unload the energy cells !

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I mean C'MON !!! I'm trying to play this game and this just isn't fair, this is just STUPID ! There is no other word to describe it.

So now I have to cheat and copy& paste someone else's Quicksave file and lose all my money and gear I've earned so far ?

This need's to be fixed !

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Lhotse5 · Post by **Lhotse5** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 06:01

I want an answer from Tech Support on this and I'll bump this post until I get one.

SunofVich · Post by **SunofVich** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 06:06

This issue is all over the place. Not just there. But at just about every station there is an NPC freighter just hanging out. The problem is, I think, cargo drones are in use yet there is none going back and forth. They are getting stuck somewhere.

Unfortunately the only thing to do it wait for Egosoft to fix it... hopefully.

bm01 · Post by **bm01** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 06:11

Lhotse5 wrote:I want an answer from Tech Support on this and I'll bump this post until I get one.

Or until you get banned. And please, use a more explicit title.

We're all in the same situation, I personally can no longer play since 1.14.

For below: Because bugs.

Lhotse5 · Post by **Lhotse5** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 06:11

I still think Egosoft owes me an explanation.
Why is the Science ship there ?
Why can't it just disappear when I reload back to a previous save ?
HOW IS SOMEONE EXPECTED TO CONTINUE THE CAMPAIGN LIKE THIS ?!

pilakin · Post by **pilakin** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 06:14

they're bringing patches every day even on the weekend. yes the traders are bugged as hell but they're rly trying to fix things fast.

Lhotse5 · Post by **Lhotse5** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 06:16

bm01 wrote:
Lhotse5 wrote:I want an answer from Tech Support on this and I'll bump this post until I get one.
Or until you get banned. And please, use a more explicit title.

We're all in the same situation, I personally can no longer play since 1.14.

For below: Because bugs.

BANNED ?! For what ?! I did not use profanity and there is an expectation of accountability here ! They took my money and sold me something. I paid in good faith and now I just want what THEY SAID THEY WOULD GIVE ME IN EXCHANGE FOR MY MONEY !
WHAT'S FAIR IS FAIR !!!!!!
I want them to fix it ...NOW !
and I want someone from Egosoft to answer my post.
I deserve that ! WE ..deserve that ! I have done nothing wrong. I PAID THE MONEY ! NOW I WANT WHAT I PAID FOR !

Architekton · Post by **Architekton** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 06:18

@Lhotse5 > Nice screenshots!

Egosoft has Tech Support?

Lhotse5 · Post by **Lhotse5** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 06:21

Architekton wrote:@Lhotse5 > Nice screenshots!

Egosoft has Tech Support?

This is the Egosoft website and this is the Tech Support thread.

bm01 · Post by **bm01** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 06:30

Lhotse5 wrote:BANNED ?! For what ?! I did not use profanity and there is an expectation of accountability here ! They took my money and sold me something.

Not trying to play the mod here, but forums have rules: http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=347171
See the parts about bumping a thread and topic titles.
This forum is already hard enough to read as it is.

Sam L.R. Griffiths · Post by **Sam L.R. Griffiths** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 06:31

Lhotse5 wrote:I still think Egosoft owes me an explanation.
Why is the Science ship there ?
Why can't it just disappear when I reload back to a previous save ?
HOW IS SOMEONE EXPECTED TO CONTINUE THE CAMPAIGN LIKE THIS ?!

I do feel the same as you but rage posting like this is not going to get us anywhere. We just need to be patient while Egosoft get their act together, they used to operate at a better standard than they appear to be currently but... they appear to be going out of their way to get the issues resolved ASAP.

Lhotse5 · Post by **Lhotse5** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 07:17

bm01 wrote:
Lhotse5 wrote:BANNED ?! For what ?! I did not use profanity and there is an expectation of accountability here ! They took my money and sold me something.
Not trying to play the mod here, but forums have rules: http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=347171
See the parts about bumping a thread and topic titles.
This forum is already hard enough to read as it is.

FORUM RULES ?! Are you kidding me ?!
What about ethics ?
What about honesty ?!
What about selling someone something, you know is broken ?
Do any of us not believe for one second that Egosoft knew....not suspected but positively knew, that this game would not play before they released it ?
Yet they released it anyway. They should have waited until it was ready.
Now I just want what I paid for. That's all. Nothing extra.
I can just imagine the rage that the people, DIEHARD X Series fans who have been supporting Egosoft since the beginning of the X Series, that bought the boxed Collectors Edition must be feeling right now.

SyberSmoke · Post by **SyberSmoke** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 07:28

Getting all upset about the bugs will not fix them. Nor will it convince the developers to get things done faster. So what is the point of the rant.

There is a bug, the drones freighters use get bugged. This makes the drones unavailable so when the ship trades again it becomes stuck at the port. This is rather game breaking so it will be a high priority patch. But until the fix...you may wish to play something else for a time.

As for the rant about ethics and honesty...nothing is ever so clear cut. For whatever reason the game was released and now the developers are doing their best to fix it's bugs in a timely manner. The process will not be easy, and it will probably have a few more instances of bugs that break things.

So you can rant about it with the rest of the loud and noisy yet irritating crowd that have been raging for a week now. Or you can sit down, chill out, play something else for a bit and keep in mind we are all standing in the same pile and hoping it all works out in time. There is no point to it, there is no reason for it, so get over it and move forward.

Brzhk · Post by **Brzhk** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 07:39

Lhotse5 wrote: What about selling someone something, you know is broken ?
Do any of us not believe for one second that Egosoft knew....not suspected but positively knew, that this game would not play before they released it ?
Yet they released it anyway. They should have waited until it was ready.

A lot of speculation here.
As a developer myself, i can assure you you cannot predict most of the bugs - especially in a program as complex as that videogame. From one computer to another, you can discover huge bugs and very different behaviours.
Also, there might have been a lot of pressure from the marketing dept, the publisher, to release the game. You can't blame the devs for everything.

I would bet the developers who work on the weekend to deliver patches must feel just as pissed as you are.

Now let's see the other side of the story: you. Egosoft has always delivered buggy games, and has been delivering patches like a metronome. Unless you've been living in a cave - which apparently still has an internet connection - you'd be aware that usually, games, even from the biggest developers & publishers, are released with game breaking bugs (i mean, Simcity? hmm?). So, you wanted to be sure to get a bug free game? You should have waited for a couple of months. That would have been a smarter move.

Sam Redstone · Post by **Sam Redstone** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 08:30

Shouting at people who are already angry, tired, frustrated, embarrassed, overworked, underpaid, and missing their families as they devote their entire weekend to grinding out more code is probably not going to actually help anything.

Egosoft is a very small team who make very big games. They're just in over their heads, and they have been over their heads for many many years.

Nevertheless, if you look at their history, you will see that each new buggy mess of a game eventually becomes a masterpiece.

I can't play XR either right now. I didn't REALLY expect to. I waited 7 years, I can wait a few more weeks / months.

It sucks, but aren't you glad their reach exceeds their grasp? The downside is you get a broken game that takes a while to bang into shape, but the upside is you get a game like no other.

EA certainly won't make a game like this. It's up to the underdogs, and they're giving it all they've got.

Hang in there, pilot!

Lhotse5 · Post by **Lhotse5** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 09:05

Brzhk wrote:
Lhotse5 wrote: What about selling someone something, you know is broken ?
Do any of us not believe for one second that Egosoft knew....not suspected but positively knew, that this game would not play before they released it ?
Yet they released it anyway. They should have waited until it was ready.
A lot of speculation here.
As a developer myself, i can assure you you cannot predict most of the bugs - especially in a program as complex as that videogame. From one computer to another, you can discover huge bugs and very different behaviours.
Also, there might have been a lot of pressure from the marketing dept, the publisher, to release the game. You can't blame the devs for everything.

I would bet the developers who work on the weekend to deliver patches must feel just as pissed as you are.

Now let's see the other side of the story: you. Egosoft has always delivered buggy games, and has been delivering patches like a metronome. Unless you've been living in a cave - which apparently still has an internet connection - you'd be aware that usually, games, even from the biggest developers & publishers, are released with game breaking bugs (i mean, Simcity? hmm?). So, you wanted to be sure to get a bug free game? You should have waited for a couple of months. That would have been a smarter move.

'Speculation' ? For that term to be applicable, one would have to be able to prove that someone at Egosoft sat down and played the campaign from beginning to finish, numerous times, without any problems.
I do not believe that ever happened. Not once.
And I'm not blaming the devs. I am blaming whoever had the authority to release this game before it was finished.
You reference other games, such as SimCity and I'm sure that's not the only one, that also had problems at release.
Why is that acceptable ? Why have we become conditioned to feel as 'Less-than-worthy' consumers, when it comes to our expectations of quality from the companies we buy our products from ?
I'll tell you why. Because we don't hold them accountable for it. They keep doing it over and over and we continue to buy their products anyway, no matter how badly they take advantage of us. There are no consequences, so why should they stop being reckless?
Why are you hurling insults at me about 'living in a cave' ? I haven't wronged you or anybody else. When I conduct business with someone, I tell them the facts before I take their money. Why are we not entitled to the same respect ? Just because it's a video game ? How is that even relevant ?
I tend to usually be understanding about these things but this situation is just SO bad, that I can't believe that whomever it was that authorized the release of this game, did so without realizing what a catastrophe it would be and THAT...is why I am so upset.
I WANT to like this game. I DO like this game .. a LOT and believe it or not, I have been defending it at another forum but now I just feel like I've been taken advantage of...again.

symbine · Post by **symbine** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 09:10

Well said. Sam Redstone

As is im going to play zelda:link between worlds for a bit and then start a new campaign next weekend, see how things go.

For the most part i really like the game just a few things i think are missing. A place to buy fighters, so my traders can have a compliment of escort.

Currently I have captured/claimed a few bailed ships and, periodical, i've noticed that it sometimes fires at me while in my squad, but perhaps that was the low stat pilot on board.

ytene · Post by **ytene** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 11:33

Lhotse5 wrote:
Brzhk wrote:
Lhotse5 wrote: What about selling someone something, you know is broken ?
Do any of us not believe for one second that Egosoft knew....not suspected but positively knew, that this game would not play before they released it ?
Yet they released it anyway. They should have waited until it was ready.
A lot of speculation here.
As a developer myself, i can assure you you cannot predict most of the bugs - especially in a program as complex as that videogame. From one computer to another, you can discover huge bugs and very different behaviours.
Also, there might have been a lot of pressure from the marketing dept, the publisher, to release the game. You can't blame the devs for everything.

I would bet the developers who work on the weekend to deliver patches must feel just as pissed as you are.

Now let's see the other side of the story: you. Egosoft has always delivered buggy games, and has been delivering patches like a metronome. Unless you've been living in a cave - which apparently still has an internet connection - you'd be aware that usually, games, even from the biggest developers & publishers, are released with game breaking bugs (i mean, Simcity? hmm?). So, you wanted to be sure to get a bug free game? You should have waited for a couple of months. That would have been a smarter move.
'Speculation' ? For that term to be applicable, one would have to be able to prove that someone at Egosoft sat down and played the campaign from beginning to finish, numerous times, without any problems.
I do not believe that ever happened. Not once.
And I'm not blaming the devs. I am blaming whoever had the authority to release this game before it was finished.
You reference other games, such as SimCity and I'm sure that's not the only one, that also had problems at release.
Why is that acceptable ? Why have we become conditioned to feel as 'Less-than-worthy' consumers, when it comes to our expectations of quality from the companies we buy our products from ?
I'll tell you why. Because we don't hold them accountable for it. They keep doing it over and over and we continue to buy their products anyway, no matter how badly they take advantage of us. There are no consequences, so why should they stop being reckless?
Why are you hurling insults at me about 'living in a cave' ? I haven't wronged you or anybody else. When I conduct business with someone, I tell them the facts before I take their money. Why are we not entitled to the same respect ? Just because it's a video game ? How is that even relevant ?
I tend to usually be understanding about these things but this situation is just SO bad, that I can't believe that whomever it was that authorized the release of this game, did so without realizing what a catastrophe it would be and THAT...is why I am so upset.
I WANT to like this game. I DO like this game .. a LOT and believe it or not, I have been defending it at another forum but now I just feel like I've been taken advantage of...again.

I share your frustration. Although, to be honest, I am willing to tolerate most of the bugs because I know they will get fixed. My anger is at the atrociously bad game design. Not sure that Egosoft are going to be able to fix that any time soon.

With respect to your comments on testing... I haven't examined the game files myself, but there is a lot of speculation on the web that suggests the binaries contain labels and references to the X-Box platform, which is why the game runs on DirectX9.0c (the XBox current release) as opposed to anything more recent... and the fact that an XBox controller works whilst a joystick doesn't... It's entirely possible that much of the testing went through on the XBox platform...

As we know, there is infinite variety in PC hardware - especially gaming rigs - and as a result it's almost certainly a lot harder to test for PC than for an XBox.

None of which excuses the current state of affairs, but that might be a partial answer to your testing question.

One other thought... Much as I'm angry/disappointed/disillusioned with the turkey that is Rebirth, I personally don't know anything about the relationship between Egosoft and Deep Silver. I don't understand why it's taken so long to get this far. It could be - and this is pure speculation - that Egosoft were forced into the Nov 15 release date by circumstances beyond their control.

It could be that Deep Silver forced it upon them.
It could be that they ran out of development cash.

Right now, my biggest concern was a recent post from Berndt in which he started talking about ES priorities with the fixes. Whilst it was re-assuring to see him acknowledge that they had to get the game-crashing bugs resolved first, what followed was a set of next steps (things like replacing the "No Signal" screen with a short range scanner) that appears to have been formulated with zero consultation from this community.

It's that lack of consultation, that attitude of "We know what's best" that got us to where we are today. It was Albert Einstein who said,

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

I can only hope that someone at ES is reading this forum posts, and that they will start to listen to us. If so, the first thing they need to do, beyond resolving the major bugs, is to come back and actually ask the community what bits they should address first. If they're not willing to do that, then I think the best solution is to un-install, walk away, and hope that Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen will take up the mantle.

MrSuperKarti · Post by **MrSuperKarti** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 13:05

At the moment there seems to be a very serious Bug affecting the 'Cargolifter Drones' of Tradeships.

If you dont know; in X-R Trades from capitals only occur with their Cargo-Drones. They dock at a wharf, then the cargo-drones unload/load the wares, and then it should undock and move away. It seems that every cargo drone gets "stuck" 'in use' as soon as they are used ones, what results in that Capital-Traders never leave a wharf once they docked at it initially. This results in a complete collapse of the economy, as sooner or later all station wharfs are blocked and no trading occurs, stopping the production line of the station.

Your Bug sir, exactly looks/sounds like this. The Science Ships docks at the Energy Cell wharf, starts trade and never finishes it.

And as much as i can understand that fixing bugs takes time ; this is such a major game-breaking / progress-stopping bug that im not really willing to accept to wait long on that. Because it literally breaks the core game. And its highly possible that this bug will corrupt saves aswell, so that when its fixed, only a new game will fix it really. Its pretty cool if i dont crash out of highways anymore, but if im in a completely stuck world blocking all progress, why should i even start that game?

Post by **Alan Phipps** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 13:10

Since this thread is not about assisting Egosoft to find solutions to bugs it can move.