X3TC CTD Tried all kinds of things and still crashing - Clean-up & reinstalls helped.

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Zemalf
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X3TC CTD Tried all kinds of things and still crashing - Clean-up & reinstalls helped.

Post by Zemalf »

Playing X3TC, Steam version (newest version from there ofc).
Fresh install, as I'm new to the X-series. No mods.

I've been having regular crashes, every 15-120 minutes.

The crash seem to happen when some audio is coming in.
I've crashed right after docking as the welcome messages come in (right after auto-save, or 5-10 seconds later).
I've crashed when taking a mission and talking to the mission giver (again possible audio related).
I've crashed while buying/selling and audio message says or should say "X bought" or "X sold"

I've tried these fixes I found here:
disabled ffdshow for x3tc
verified game cache integrity via Steam
removed haali codecs and uninstalled the related software (K-Lite package)
fresh install of NVidia drivers
updated Realtek sound drivers

And the game still crashes - usually when there's some audio to be played or playing. And without very rare exceptions, X3TC is the only game that crashes for me.

p.s. I am recording with Fraps while playing, but disabling that and not recording is not an option, as I'm doing a let's play of X3TC.

EVENT log of the last crash:

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Time of this crash: 3/15/2012, 20:24:19

Faulting application name: X3TC.exe, version: 3.2.0.0, time stamp: 0x4f10411c
Faulting module name: unknown, version: 0.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x00000000
Exception code: 0xc0000005
Fault offset: 0x5860fde2
Faulting process id: 0x18ec
Faulting application start time: 0x01cd02d3e673fd76
Faulting application path: c:\program files (x86)\steam\steamapps\common\x3 terran conflict\X3TC.exe
Faulting module path: unknown
Report Id: 13c24500-6ecc-11e1-a89d-14dae945e2d8
DXDIAG of the last crash:

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System Information
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Time of this report: 3/15/2012, 20:38:00
       Machine name: BLACKBOX
   Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.111118-2330)
           Language: Finnish (Regional Setting: Finnish)
System Manufacturer: System manufacturer
       System Model: System Product Name
               BIOS: BIOS Date: 02/05/10 19:13:52 Ver: 08.00.10
          Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2600K CPU @ 3.40GHz (8 CPUs), ~3.4GHz
             Memory: 16384MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 16360MB RAM
          Page File: 3583MB used, 37315MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\Windows
    DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
   User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
 System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
    DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
     DxDiag Version: 6.01.7601.17514 32bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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      Display Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D:    0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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          Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590
       Manufacturer: NVIDIA
          Chip type: NVxx
           DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
         Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1088&SUBSYS_83A31043&REV_A1
     Display Memory: 4063 MB
   Dedicated Memory: 1503 MB
      Shared Memory: 2559 MB
       Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)
       Monitor Name: Yleinen PnP-näyttölaite
      Monitor Model: VE247
         Monitor Id: ACI2493
        Native Mode: 1920 x 1080(p) (60.000Hz)
        Output Type: DVI
        Driver Name: nvd3dumx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvwgf2umx.dll,nvd3dum,nvwgf2um,nvwgf2um
Driver File Version: 8.17.0012.9610 (English)
     Driver Version: 8.17.12.9610
        DDI Version: 11
       Driver Model: WDDM 1.1
  Driver Attributes: Final Retail
   Driver Date/Size: 3/1/2012 02:02:00, 17642816 bytes
        WHQL Logo'd: Yes
    WHQL Date Stamp: 
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          Device ID: 0x1088
          SubSys ID: 0x83A31043
        Revision ID: 0x00A1
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       D3D9 Overlay: Supported
            DXVA-HD: Supported
       DDraw Status: Enabled
         D3D Status: Enabled
         AGP Status: Enabled

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Sound Devices
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            Description: Kaiuttimet (Realtek High Definition Audio)
 Default Sound Playback: Yes
 Default Voice Playback: Yes
            Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0892&SUBSYS_10438469&REV_1003
        Manufacturer ID: 1
             Product ID: 100
                   Type: WDM
            Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
         Driver Version: 6.00.0001.6526 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
            WHQL Logo'd: Yes
          Date and Size: 12/13/2011 18:27:30, 4718952 bytes
            Other Files: 
        Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
         HW Accel Level: Basic
              Cap Flags: 0xF1F
    Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
              HW Memory: 0
       Voice Management: No
 EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
   I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

            Description: Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio)
 Default Sound Playback: No
 Default Voice Playback: No
            Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0892&SUBSYS_10438469&REV_1003
        Manufacturer ID: 1
             Product ID: 100
                   Type: WDM
            Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
         Driver Version: 6.00.0001.6526 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
            WHQL Logo'd: Yes
          Date and Size: 12/13/2011 18:27:30, 4718952 bytes
            Other Files: 
        Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
         HW Accel Level: Basic
              Cap Flags: 0xF1F
    Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
              HW Memory: 0
       Voice Management: No
 EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
   I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

            Description: Realtek Digital Output(Optical) (Realtek High Definition Audio)
 Default Sound Playback: No
 Default Voice Playback: No
            Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0892&SUBSYS_10438469&REV_1003
        Manufacturer ID: 1
             Product ID: 100
                   Type: WDM
            Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
         Driver Version: 6.00.0001.6526 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
            WHQL Logo'd: Yes
          Date and Size: 12/13/2011 18:27:30, 4718952 bytes
            Other Files: 
        Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
         HW Accel Level: Basic
              Cap Flags: 0xF1F
    Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
 Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
              HW Memory: 0
       Voice Management: No
 EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
   I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

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Sound Capture Devices
---------------------
            Description: Mikrofoni (Realtek High Definition Audio)
  Default Sound Capture: Yes
  Default Voice Capture: Yes
            Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
         Driver Version: 6.00.0001.6526 (English)
      Driver Attributes: Final Retail
          Date and Size: 12/13/2011 18:27:30, 4718952 bytes
              Cap Flags: 0x1
           Format Flags: 0xFFFFF

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DirectInput Devices
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      Device Name: Hiiri
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Näppäimistö
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: Gaming Mouse G400
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC245
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: ndPoint1 Inte
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x04B4, 0x0101
        FF Driver: n/a

      Device Name: ndPoint1 Inte
         Attached: 1
    Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x04B4, 0x0101
        FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No

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USB Devices
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+ USB-pääkeskitin
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x8086, 0x1C2D
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub20
| Service: usbhub
| 
+-+ Generic USB Hub
| | Vendor/Product ID: 0x8087, 0x0024
| | Location: Port_#0001.Hub_#0001
| | Matching Device ID: usb\class_09
| | Service: usbhub

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Gameport Devices
----------------

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PS/2 Devices
------------
+ HID Keyboard Device
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x04B4, 0x0101
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard
| Service: kbdhid
| 
+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
| 
+ HID-yhteensopiva hiiri
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC245
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
| Service: mouhid
| 
+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD

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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
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      Drive: C:
 Free Space: 90.7 GB
Total Space: 228.8 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: Volume0

      Drive: D:
 Free Space: 1662.2 GB
Total Space: 1907.7 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: WDC WD20 02FAEX-007BA0 SCSI Disk Device

      Drive: F:
 Free Space: 1038.3 GB
Total Space: 1907.7 GB
File System: NTFS
      Model: ST2000DL 001-9VT156 USB Device

      Drive: E:
      Model: HL-DT-ST BD-RE  BH10LS30
     Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 6.01.7601.17514 (Finnish), , 0 bytes

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System Devices
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     Name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1088&SUBSYS_83A31043&REV_A1\6&CC72683&0&00000008
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) 82801 PCI Bridge - 244E
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_244E&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_B5\3&11583659&1&E6
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 5 - 1C18
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C18&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_B5\3&11583659&1&E4
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Marvell 91xx SATA 6G Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1B4B&DEV_9172&SUBSYS_84771043&REV_11\4&25EDE343&0&00E7
   Driver: n/a

     Name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1088&SUBSYS_83A31043&REV_A1\6&1A88A26&0&00100008
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) P67 Express Chipset Family LPC Interface Controller - 1C46
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C46&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_05\3&11583659&1&F8
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 4 - 1C16
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C16&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_B5\3&11583659&1&E3
   Driver: n/a

     Name: PCI-standardin mukainen PCI-PCI silta
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1B21&DEV_1080&SUBSYS_10801B21&REV_01\4&1C304EE6&0&00E6
   Driver: n/a

     Name: High Definition Audio -ohjain
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0E09&SUBSYS_83A31043&REV_A1\6&CC72683&0&01000008
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) Management Engine Interface
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C3A&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_04\3&11583659&1&B0
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 3 - 1C14
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C14&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_B5\3&11583659&1&E2
   Driver: n/a

     Name: ASMedia XHCI Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1B21&DEV_1042&SUBSYS_84881043&REV_00\4&1D1B3AB2&0&00E1
   Driver: n/a

     Name: High Definition Audio -ohjain
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0E09&SUBSYS_83A31043&REV_A1\6&1A88A26&0&01100008
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller - 1C2D
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C2D&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_05\3&11583659&1&D0
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 2 - 1C12
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C12&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_B5\3&11583659&1&E1
   Driver: n/a

     Name: ASMedia XHCI Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1B21&DEV_1042&SUBSYS_84881043&REV_00\4&14E4619&0&00E4
   Driver: n/a

     Name: PCI-standardin mukainen PCI-PCI silta
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_05B9&SUBSYS_064E10DE&REV_A3\4&174AF095&0&0008
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller - 1C26
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C26&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_05\3&11583659&1&E8
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 1 - 1C10
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C10&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_B5\3&11583659&1&E0
   Driver: n/a

     Name: JMicron JMB36X Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_197B&DEV_2362&SUBSYS_84601043&REV_10\4&10E5A679&0&00E3
   Driver: n/a

     Name: PCI-standardin mukainen PCI-PCI silta
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_05B9&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3\5&393E71E&0&100008
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller - 1C22
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C22&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_05\3&11583659&1&FB
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) 82579V Gigabit Network Connection
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1503&SUBSYS_849C1043&REV_05\3&11583659&1&C8
   Driver: n/a

     Name: VIA 1394 OHCI -yhteensopiva isäntäohjain
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1106&DEV_3044&SUBSYS_81FE1043&REV_C0\5&EA6E795&0&1800E6
   Driver: n/a

     Name: PCI-standardin mukainen PCI-PCI silta
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_05B9&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A3\5&393E71E&0&000008
   Driver: n/a

     Name: High Definition Audio -ohjain
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C20&SUBSYS_84691043&REV_05\3&11583659&1&D8
   Driver: n/a

     Name: 2nd generation Intel(R) Core(TM) processor family PCI Express Controller - 0101
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0101&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_09\3&11583659&1&08
   Driver: n/a

     Name: ASUS PCE-N15 11n Wireless LAN PCI-E Card
Device ID: PCI\VEN_10EC&DEV_8178&SUBSYS_84B61043&REV_01\4&2E16EFB5&0&00E0
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) Desktop/Workstation/Server Express Chipset SATA RAID Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2822&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_05\3&11583659&1&FA
   Driver: n/a

     Name: Intel(R) 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 8 - 1C1E
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_1C1E&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_B5\3&11583659&1&E7
   Driver: n/a

     Name: 2nd generation Intel(R) Core(TM) processor family DRAM Controller - 0100
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_0100&SUBSYS_844D1043&REV_09\3&11583659&1&00
   Driver: n/a

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DirectShow Filters
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DirectShow Filters:
WMAudio Decoder DMO,0x00800800,1,1,WMADMOD.DLL,6.01.7601.17514
WMAPro over S/PDIF DMO,0x00600800,1,1,WMADMOD.DLL,6.01.7601.17514
WMSpeech Decoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,WMSPDMOD.DLL,6.01.7601.17514
MP3 Decoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,mp3dmod.dll,6.01.7600.16385
Mpeg4s Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,mp4sdecd.dll,6.01.7600.16385
WMV Screen decoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,wmvsdecd.dll,6.01.7601.17514
WMVideo Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,wmvdecod.dll,6.01.7601.17514
Mpeg43 Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,mp43decd.dll,6.01.7600.16385
Mpeg4 Decoder DMO,0x00800001,1,1,mpg4decd.dll,6.01.7600.16385
WMT MuxDeMux Filter,0x00200000,0,0,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
DV Muxer,0x00400000,0,0,qdv.dll,6.06.7601.17514
Color Space Converter,0x00400001,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
WM ASF Reader,0x00400000,0,0,qasf.dll,12.00.7601.17514
Screen Capture filter,0x00200000,0,1,wmpsrcwp.dll,12.00.7601.17514
AVI Splitter,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
WMT AudioAnalyzer,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
VGA 16 Color Ditherer,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
SBE2MediaTypeProfile,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.7601.17528
Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder,0x005fffff,2,4,msmpeg2vdec.dll,6.01.7140.0000
AC3 Parser Filter,0x00600000,1,1,mpg2splt.ax,6.06.7601.17528
WMT Format Conversion,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
StreamBufferSink,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.7601.17528
WMT Black Frame Generator,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
MJPEG Decompressor,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
WMT Screen Capture filter,0x00200000,0,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
VHMixerSource,0x00200000,0,1,VHMediaCOM.dll,2.00.0000.0088
MPEG-I Stream Splitter,0x00600000,1,2,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
SAMI (CC) Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
VBI Codec,0x00600000,1,4,VBICodec.ax,6.06.7601.17514
MPEG-2 Splitter,0x005fffff,1,0,mpg2splt.ax,6.06.7601.17528
Closed Captions Analysis Filter,0x00200000,2,5,cca.dll,6.06.7601.17514
SBE2FileScan,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.7601.17528
Microsoft MPEG-2 Video Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,msmpeg2enc.dll,6.01.7601.17514
Internal Script Command Renderer,0x00800001,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
MPEG Audio Decoder,0x03680001,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
WMT Import Filter,0x00200000,0,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
DV Splitter,0x00600000,1,2,qdv.dll,6.06.7601.17514
Bitmap Generate,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
Video Mixing Renderer 9,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
WMT VIH2 Fix,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
Record Queue,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
WMT Audio Mixer,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
Microsoft MPEG-2 Encoder,0x00200000,2,1,msmpeg2enc.dll,6.01.7601.17514
VHSplitProcSource,0x00200000,0,1,VHMediaCOM.dll,2.00.0000.0088
VHCropResize,0x00200000,1,1,VHMediaCOM.dll,2.00.0000.0088
ACM Wrapper,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Video Renderer,0x00800001,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Frame Eater,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
MPEG-2 Video Stream Analyzer,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.7601.17528
Line 21 Decoder,0x00600000,1,1,qdvd.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Video Port Manager,0x00600000,2,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Video Renderer,0x00400000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
VPS Decoder,0x00200000,0,0,WSTPager.ax,6.06.7601.17514
WM ASF Writer,0x00400000,0,0,qasf.dll,12.00.7601.17514
WMT Sample Information Filter,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
VBI Surface Allocator,0x00600000,1,1,vbisurf.ax,6.01.7601.17514
File writer,0x00200000,1,0,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
iTV Data Sink,0x00600000,1,0,itvdata.dll,6.06.7601.17514
iTV Data Capture filter,0x00600000,1,1,itvdata.dll,6.06.7601.17514
WMT Log Filter,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
WMT Virtual Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
DVD Navigator,0x00200000,0,3,qdvd.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Overlay Mixer2,0x00200000,1,1,qdvd.dll,6.06.7601.17713
VHYV12Decoder,0x00200000,1,1,VHMediaCOM.dll,2.00.0000.0088
AVI Draw,0x00600064,9,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
RDP DShow Redirection Filter,0xffffffff,1,0,DShowRdpFilter.dll,
Microsoft MPEG-2 Audio Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,msmpeg2enc.dll,6.01.7601.17514
VHMultiWriter,0x00200000,1,0,VHMediaCOM.dll,2.00.0000.0088
WST Pager,0x00200000,1,1,WSTPager.ax,6.06.7601.17514
WMT DirectX Transform Wrapper,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
MPEG-2 Demultiplexer,0x00600000,1,1,mpg2splt.ax,6.06.7601.17528
VHAudioGain,0x00200000,1,1,VHMediaCOM.dll,2.00.0000.0088
DV Video Decoder,0x00800000,1,1,qdv.dll,6.06.7601.17514
Dxtory Video Decoder,0x00600001,1,1,DxtoryCodec.dll,2.00.0000.0103
VHFrameRateConv,0x00200000,1,1,VHMediaCOM.dll,2.00.0000.0088
9x8Resize,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
Allocator Fix,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
SampleGrabber,0x00200000,1,1,qedit.dll,6.06.7601.17514
Null Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,qedit.dll,6.06.7601.17514
WMT Virtual Source,0x00200000,0,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
MPEG-2 Sections and Tables,0x005fffff,1,0,Mpeg2Data.ax,6.06.7601.17514
Microsoft AC3 Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,msac3enc.dll,6.01.7601.17514
WMT Interlacer,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
StreamBufferSource,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.7601.17528
Smart Tee,0x00200000,1,2,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
Overlay Mixer,0x00200000,0,0,qdvd.dll,6.06.7601.17713
AVI Decompressor,0x00600000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Uncompressed Domain Shot Detection Filter,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
VHDeinterlace,0x00200000,1,1,VHMediaCOM.dll,2.00.0000.0088
VHYV12Encoder,0x00200000,1,1,VHMediaCOM.dll,2.00.0000.0088
AVI/WAV File Source,0x00400000,0,2,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Wave Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
MIDI Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Multi-file Parser,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
File stream renderer,0x00400000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
VHMultiReader,0x00200000,0,1,VHMediaCOM.dll,2.00.0000.0088
Microsoft DTV-DVD Audio Decoder,0x005fffff,1,1,msmpeg2adec.dll,6.01.7140.0000
StreamBufferSink2,0x00200000,0,0,sbe.dll,6.06.7601.17528
AVI Mux,0x00200000,1,0,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
Line 21 Decoder 2,0x00600002,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
File Source (Async.),0x00400000,0,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
File Source (URL),0x00400000,0,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
WMT DV Extract,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
WMT Switch Filter,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
WMT Volume,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
Stretch Video,0x00200000,1,1,WMM2FILT.dll,2.06.4037.0000
Infinite Pin Tee Filter,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
Enhanced Video Renderer,0x00200000,1,0,evr.dll,6.01.7601.17514
BDA MPEG2 Transport Information Filter,0x00200000,2,0,psisrndr.ax,6.06.7601.17669
MPEG Video Decoder,0x40000001,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713

WDM Streaming Tee/Splitter Devices:
Tee/Sink-to-Sink -muunnin,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,6.01.7601.17514

Video Compressors:
WMVideo8 Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,wmvxencd.dll,6.01.7600.16385
WMVideo9 Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,wmvencod.dll,6.01.7600.16385
MSScreen 9 encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,wmvsencd.dll,6.01.7600.16385
DV Video Encoder,0x00200000,0,0,qdv.dll,6.06.7601.17514
MJPEG Compressor,0x00200000,0,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Radius Cinepak Codec,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
Fraps Video Decompressor,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
Intel IYUV codec,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
Intel IYUV codec,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
Microsoft RLE,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
Microsoft Video 1,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
x264vfw - H.264/MPEG-4 AVC codec,0x00200000,1,1,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514

Audio Compressors:
WM Speech Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,WMSPDMOE.DLL,6.01.7600.16385
WMAudio Encoder DMO,0x00600800,1,1,WMADMOE.DLL,6.01.7600.16385
IMA ADPCM,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
PCM,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Microsoft ADPCM,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
GSM 6.10,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Messenger Audio Codec,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
AC-3 ACM Extensible,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
CCITT A-Law,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
CCITT u-Law,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
AC-3 ACM Codec,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
MPEG Layer-3,0x00200000,1,1,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713

Audio Capture Sources:
Mikrofoni (Realtek High Definit,0x00200000,0,0,qcap.dll,6.06.7601.17514
XSplitBroadcaster,0x00200000,0,1,VHMediaCOM.dll,2.00.0000.0088

PBDA CP Filters:
PBDA DTFilter,0x00600000,1,1,CPFilters.dll,6.06.7601.17528
PBDA ETFilter,0x00200000,0,0,CPFilters.dll,6.06.7601.17528
PBDA PTFilter,0x00200000,0,0,CPFilters.dll,6.06.7601.17528

Midi Renderers:
Default MidiOut Device,0x00800000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713

WDM Streaming Capture Devices:
Realtek HD Audio Line input,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,6.01.7601.17514
Realtek HD Audio Mic input,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,6.01.7601.17514
Realtek HD Audio Stereo input,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,6.01.7601.17514

WDM Streaming Rendering Devices:
Realtek HD Audio output,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,6.01.7601.17514
Realtek HDA SPDIF Optical Out,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,6.01.7601.17514
Realtek HDA SPDIF Out,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,6.01.7601.17514

BDA Network Providers:
Microsoft ATSC Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,6.06.7601.17514
Microsoft DVBC Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,6.06.7601.17514
Microsoft DVBS Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,6.06.7601.17514
Microsoft DVBT Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSDvbNP.ax,6.06.7601.17514
Microsoft Network Provider,0x00200000,0,1,MSNP.ax,6.06.7601.17514

Video Capture Sources:
XSplitBroadcaster,0x00200000,0,1,VHMediaCOM.dll,2.00.0000.0088
Dxtory Video 1,0x00200000,0,0,DxtoryVideo.dll,2.00.0000.0097
Dxtory Video 2,0x00200000,0,0,DxtoryVideo.dll,2.00.0000.0097
Dxtory Video 3,0x00200000,0,0,DxtoryVideo.dll,2.00.0000.0097
Dxtory Video 4,0x00200000,0,0,DxtoryVideo.dll,2.00.0000.0097

Multi-Instance Capable VBI Codecs:
VBI Codec,0x00600000,1,4,VBICodec.ax,6.06.7601.17514

BDA Transport Information Renderers:
BDA MPEG2 Transport Information Filter,0x00600000,2,0,psisrndr.ax,6.06.7601.17669
MPEG-2 Sections and Tables,0x00600000,1,0,Mpeg2Data.ax,6.06.7601.17514

BDA CP/CA Filters:
Decrypt/Tag,0x00600000,1,1,EncDec.dll,6.06.7601.17708
Encrypt/Tag,0x00200000,0,0,EncDec.dll,6.06.7601.17708
PTFilter,0x00200000,0,0,EncDec.dll,6.06.7601.17708
XDS Codec,0x00200000,0,0,EncDec.dll,6.06.7601.17708

WDM Streaming Communication Transforms:
Tee/Sink-to-Sink -muunnin,0x00200000,1,1,ksproxy.ax,6.01.7601.17514

Audio Renderers:
Kaiuttimet (Realtek High Defini,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Default DirectSound Device,0x00800000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Default WaveOut Device,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
DirectSound: Kaiuttimet (Realtek High Definition Audio),0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
DirectSound: Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio),0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
DirectSound: Realtek Digital Output(Optical) (Realtek High Definition Audio),0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Realtek Digital Output (Realtek,0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713
Realtek Digital Output(Optical),0x00200000,1,0,quartz.dll,6.06.7601.17713

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EVR Power Information
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Current Setting: {5C67A112-A4C9-483F-B4A7-1D473BECAFDC} (Quality) 
  Quality Flags: 2576
    Enabled:
    Force throttling
    Allow half deinterlace
    Allow scaling
    Decode Power Usage: 100
  Balanced Flags: 1424
    Enabled:
    Force throttling
    Allow batching
    Force half deinterlace
    Force scaling
    Decode Power Usage: 50
  PowerFlags: 1424
    Enabled:
    Force throttling
    Allow batching
    Force half deinterlace
    Force scaling
    Decode Power Usage: 0
CBJ
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Post by CBJ »

I think you're on the right lines, but you still seem to have a fair few unusual looking codecs installed, and I think it's likely that one of them is responsible for your crashes. I don't recognise the ones with "VH" at the beginning of their names, so I'd start with those if you can.
Alan Phipps
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Post by Alan Phipps »

It could be FRAPS. See this thread which was a similar 'unidentified faulting module' CTD when using FRAPS.

I would suggest only running FRAPS when you actually need to for recording purposes. Or run a lengthy test without FRAPS and see if it still CTDs which would eliminate FRAPS as the cause.
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Zemalf
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Post by Zemalf »

I played for 3.5 hours in two sessions without crashing, while recording with Fraps.

I don't want to jinx it, but something I did might've fixed the CTD issues for me - or at least everything was stable for a good 2 hours longer than before.

Here's what I did - and have been crash free since then (fingers crossed)

1) Disabled the other sound devices leaving only Speakers (disabled Realtek Digital Output & Realtek Digital Output(Optical)), as the other two weren't doing anything anyway in my setup.

2) Uninstalled legacy version Windows Movie Maker 2.6 as I don't really use it anymore, removing the WMM2FILT.dll codecs from dxdiag.

3) Removed and re-installed Windows Media Player (figuring that the WMP codecs might've gotten corrupted or messed up because of other codecs)
- in Windows 7, because WMP is built-in, I had to go to Control Panel > Programs > Programs and Features + Turn Windows features on or off.
- There I disabled Windows Media Player to uninstall it. I restarted computer, and then enabled WMP again in the "Turn Windows features on or off - effectively installing it from scratch again.

In case I stay crash-free, it was one of the above that helped, in addition to the steps I did before already (which alone didn't help):
Zemalf wrote:disabled ffdshow for x3tc
verified game cache integrity via Steam
removed haali codecs and uninstalled the related software (K-Lite package)
fresh install of NVidia drivers
updated Realtek sound drivers
p.s.
CBJ wrote:I think you're on the right lines, but you still seem to have a fair few unusual looking codecs installed, and I think it's likely that one of them is responsible for your crashes. I don't recognise the ones with "VH" at the beginning of their names, so I'd start with those if you can.
the "VH" codecs are related to XSplit, a utility for livestreaming (XSplitBroadcaster,VHMediaCOM.dll), and for now it looks that they are safe.

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