Egoboosting Egosoft

Zetoss · Post by **Zetoss** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 19:00

When reading topics and replies here I get the feeling many of you don't actually bother to really read the stickies but still let negative opinions fly all over the place, in my eyes you might as well spit the team in the face because that is how insulting your behaviour is. At this point I feel like I'm pretty much the only one here that has read the stickies and literally shouted random words (and entire sentences) of excitement over a dozen times the instant the news were interpreted by my brain. I can agree to some extent that only telling a dev what they are doing right is not constructive but neither is just demoralizing them by shooting down everything they try to do before you even bother to actually understand it.

The only thing I could imagine would be possible to improve on would be to support DX11 as it handles curved surfaces far better thanks to tesselation but I understand if this is too much to ask at this point, can't exactly be easy to implement in such a huge game. Everything else about this game was (at first glance quite a while ago) part interesting and part deterring until the golden age of the stickies arrived... now I pretty much wish I didn't know, the waiting is going to kill me!!

I'm looking forward to spending money on such a massively awesome game, did not use to like Steam at all but nowadays it feels like quite a good way of getting games (especially when they have crazy sales) so you can trust that I'll be there, waiting... you have no idea how trigger-happy my add-to-cart-finger is going to be when I see X Rebirth! I love Egosoft!

thetack · Post by **thetack** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 19:08

your poll missed out excited until steam was mentioned

dougeye · Post by **dougeye** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 19:14

steam has not been confirmed by ego its just forum specualtion

GCU Grey Area · Post by **GCU Grey Area** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 19:31

thetack wrote:your poll missed out excited until steam was mentioned

That would be my vote too. Haven't been quite so excited about a game for decades (literally - always wanted a game full of properly modular & configurable stations & ships). Then the Steam requirement emerged & currently feeling absolutely gutted. Wish I'd never heard about XR now.

Post by **X2-Illuminatus** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 19:38

Besides the fact that there are no steam requirements, yet.

Ragemaster9999 · Post by **Ragemaster9999** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 19:47

I probably wouldnt buy the game UNLESS it was on steam or impulse. Cant be arsed to drive to gamestop anymore. Digital distrubtion is the future

VincentTH · Post by **VincentTH** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 19:47

X2-Illuminatus wrote:Besides the fact that there are no steam requirements, yet.

Steam requirements is in, confirmed by Bernd, who wrote in the (now locked) Login thread:

Joined: 06 Nov 2002
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Posted: 05 Oct 2011 05:01 Post subject:

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It is very likely that X Rebirth will be using Steamworks, because our publisher is moving all recent games to this platform. This would of course not mean that you can only buy the game electronically via Steam, but that a boxed copy that you buy in a shop would have to be activated with Steam.

I know not everybody likes this, but for us as a developer this is great news, because it means that there is only ONE version we have to support and that all of our customers can automatically update to the latest version of the game. I can not overstate how big a deal this is from a developers point of view!

It may be hard for most of you active forum users to understand, because you would always see a new update and install it immediately, but unfortunately you are just a minority.

-Bernd

imperium3 · Post by **imperium3** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 20:01

VincentTH wrote:
X2-Illuminatus wrote:Besides the fact that there are no steam requirements, yet.
Steam requirements is in, confirmed by Bernd, who wrote in the (now locked) Login thread:

Joined: 06 Nov 2002
Posts: 468 on topic
Location: Würselen

Posted: 05 Oct 2011 05:01 Post subject:

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It is very likely that X Rebirth will be using Steamworks, because our publisher is moving all recent games to this platform. This would of course not mean that you can only buy the game electronically via Steam, but that a boxed copy that you buy in a shop would have to be activated with Steam.

I know not everybody likes this, but for us as a developer this is great news, because it means that there is only ONE version we have to support and that all of our customers can automatically update to the latest version of the game. I can not overstate how big a deal this is from a developers point of view!

It may be hard for most of you active forum users to understand, because you would always see a new update and install it immediately, but unfortunately you are just a minority.

-Bernd

Technically he did say "very likely" so it's not certain, it depends on what Deep Silver do. He wouldn't have said that though if it wasn't like 90% certain anyway.

Post by **X2-Illuminatus** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 20:04

I read what Bernd wrote. But he neither said, that it is a clear fact nor what the exact requirements are. So, while he said that it is likely that XR will be published over steam, there are no requirements yet.

amtie · Post by **amtie** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 20:13

I didn't care at all about the one-ship thing.
I didn't care at all about cockpits or the lack of them.
I didn't care at all about having a copilot.

...

But I do care about having Steam. Even if it is still a boxed version. I would have cared less if it were multiplayer... but it's not.

shireknight · Post by **shireknight** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 20:20

The stickies really boosted my interest in the game, until then I was pretty sceptical about the project but now I'm 100% sold.

Syock · Post by **Syock** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 20:23

I know not everybody likes this, but for us as a developer this is great news, because it means that there is only ONE version we have to support and that all of our customers can automatically update to the latest version of the game. I can not overstate how big a deal this is from a developers point of view!

It may be hard for most of you active forum users to understand, because you would always see a new update and install it immediately, but unfortunately you are just a minority.

-Bernd

I think they like it.

heratik · Post by **heratik** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 20:26

Syock wrote:
Is it just me, or are they calling the hardcore fan base that are on the forums a minority that are not important enough to listen to? That is pretty sad.

Business is business...

Syock · Post by **Syock** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 20:32

heratik wrote:Business is business...

Indeed it is. There is a problem with alienating us though. The people here are the ones that make and test all the scripts and mods that get pushed out as official patches and show a strong community. I doubt there would have been a TC if not for the people here. The reason were here is to improve the game through generating ideas and actual development. Were not here to be a pain in the rear whining about wanting a steam free/drm free copy. I bet few if any people here pirate the game they want to support. It is more likely were the ones buying the game several times in the super box and special editions.

Ignoring us is just going to shoot themselves in the foot.

heratik · Post by **heratik** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 20:46

Syock wrote:
Ignoring us is just going to shoot themselves in the foot.

Bernd/Egosoft may understand that, but remember he/they are bowing to Deep Silver's will, and I doubt DS are that concerned about community support and the games longevity past initial sales.

Falcrack · Post by **Falcrack** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 20:48

I literally could not care less about the whole steam vs non steam things. I have tons of games from Steam, and I have approximately zero complaints. Seriously, it just doesn't bug me. At all. Like not even a little.

DeepFried · Post by **DeepFried** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 20:52

Zetoss wrote:When reading topics and replies here I get the feeling many of you don't actually bother to really read the stickies but still let negative opinions fly all over the place, in my eyes you might as well spit the team in the face because that is how insulting your behaviour is. At this point I feel like I'm pretty much the only one here that has read the stickies and literally shouted random words (and entire sentences) of excitement over a dozen times the instant the news were interpreted by my brain. I can agree to some extent that only telling a dev what they are doing right is not constructive but neither is just demoralizing them by shooting down everything they try to do before you even bother to actually understand it.

The only thing I could imagine would be possible to improve on would be to support DX11 as it handles curved surfaces far better thanks to tesselation but I understand if this is too much to ask at this point, can't exactly be easy to implement in such a huge game. Everything else about this game was (at first glance quite a while ago) part interesting and part deterring until the golden age of the stickies arrived... now I pretty much wish I didn't know, the waiting is going to kill me!!

I'm looking forward to spending money on such a massively awesome game, did not use to like Steam at all but nowadays it feels like quite a good way of getting games (especially when they have crazy sales) so you can trust that I'll be there, waiting... you have no idea how trigger-happy my add-to-cart-finger is going to be when I see X Rebirth! I love Egosoft!

Dont suck egosoft dick too hard... you might choke.

Tell me, what way would tessellation be of use in a game where the vast majority of the time you are looking at in-game objects hundreds if not thousands of meters away? it would be a pointless waste of processing power if an when it even got close enough to render anyway. You forget, space sim graphics are a completely different affair to ordinary shooters and RPGs, hence why they have built their own engine.

And for the record yes I read the stickies and yes I'm excited about the game, that doesn't change the fact that I think they have made some serious design decision errors. However time will tell and debate about it is pretty pointless considering the game has to be 90% complete by now.

dougeye · Post by **dougeye** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 20:54

Syock wrote:
VincentTH wrote:
X2-Illuminatus wrote:Besides the fact that there are no steam requirements, yet.
Steam requirements is in, confirmed by Bernd, who wrote in the (now locked) Login thread:

Joined: 06 Nov 2002
Posts: 468 on topic
Location: Würselen

Posted: 05 Oct 2011 05:01 Post subject:

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It is very likely that X Rebirth will be using Steamworks, because our publisher is moving all recent games to this platform. This would of course not mean that you can only buy the game electronically via Steam, but that a boxed copy that you buy in a shop would have to be activated with Steam.

I know not everybody likes this, but for us as a developer this is great news, because it means that there is only ONE version we have to support and that all of our customers can automatically update to the latest version of the game. I can not overstate how big a deal this is from a developers point of view!

It may be hard for most of you active forum users to understand, because you would always see a new update and install it immediately, but unfortunately you are just a minority.

-Bernd

Is it just me, or are they calling the hardcore fan base that are on the forums a minority that are not important enough to listen to? That is pretty sad.

the problem with this statment is that you assume that all hardcore X fans as you term it are 100% against steam, this is not the case, there are hardocre X fans in both camps. lets be realistic, egosoft did not get funding for Rebirth on the strength of there loyal fans who regularily use the forum, there are many thousnads of players who probably dont bother with the forums and they have helped contribute to the sales figures which = more games.

i can uinderstand if ego changed the fundamentals of the game and loyal fans (like myself) were annoyed but the issue of whether or not to use steam is actuallly as bernd said a sensible business move for the developer. having Rebirth on the front page of steam when it is released is an amazing business opportunity for egosoft and could ultimetly be the difference between a future X game or not.

The availability of a munual patch would be helpful though so that when mods arrive for rebirth i can create a second moified install

Kor'ah · Post by **Kor'ah** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 21:09

The hardcore fanbase so far hasn't been exactly enthusiastic (taken as a whole) after hearing about the changes coming with XR. The shift to a MD style XLS modding system, the player ship and capital ships that can't be directly controlled, all have garnered more than a few grumbles from the old timers. The possible, yet currently likely, Steamworks integration is just another log on that fire.

If the game turns out to be really good in the end the Steamworks integration will be at least tolerable for many, even if it isn't the ideal system.

DeepFried · Post by **DeepFried** » Thu, 6. Oct 11, 21:32

Well I for one am OK with Steam, in fact these days I only buy games on steam with very few exceptions. I think in the last 2 years I bought about 200 games on steam and about 3 games by other methods... not releasing on steam is a sure fire way to lose my custom.

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