date for 1.3?

Bad2DBone · Post by **Bad2DBone** » Mon, 10. Nov 08, 23:10

date for 1.3?

We wont hold you to it! just very interested if you yave a rough one yet?

WarKirby · Post by **WarKirby** » Mon, 10. Nov 08, 23:17

I'm more interested in knowing exactly what 1.3 will fix. Broken UTs, impossible combat missions, and performance degrading over time seem to be the biggest issues, though I've thankfully yet to encounter any of them

Bad2DBone · Post by **Bad2DBone** » Mon, 10. Nov 08, 23:55

I get em all!

And the repeating spawn of pirates, in a sector, in one mission, that finally brings the system to its knees.

What about the missions to guard the transports that never get through the gates or cant dock.. I have one sectpr with about 30 transports stuck at the gate (I must go kill them all with a cheat command).

I am also blocked on the VERY first mission as an Argon blokey... I have never been deep into the Terran systems at all!!!! I am told to escort the Eclipse with the ambassador; which never moves@!@!@!@

lol

X3- Good for the brain... getting the mission is only half of the job; you have to really think outside the box to solve all the bugs!

robbyroy · Post by **robbyroy** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 00:01

I had given up on the storyline after the first few days and have played thru a game using the X universe game mode. Now I'm anxious to start a new game but am determined to do it ONLY when the new patch comes out. There is'nt any worth while Mods yet So I find myself constantly checking for some kind of hint of a patch.

WarKirby · Post by **WarKirby** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 00:12

This looks like a good mod:
http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=222408

Apparently provides an alternative to the broken universal Trading. I'll try it myself when I become wealthy enough to afford 500k for software, and a few spare ships.

pfrabott · Post by **pfrabott** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 01:21

Since I am stuck on the Terran theatre (the M184 sector mission or whatever the number is) I've been riding out the wait by doing some trade and cargo runs as well as some small escort and fight missions. I'll have lots of credits by the time 1.3 releases W0oT!

Now, back to my credits...

eladan · Post by **eladan** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 01:33

Once again, it's highly unlikely that there will be any information (release date, what's included, etc) ahead of the release of the patch.

Bad2DBone · Post by **Bad2DBone** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 02:38

Err.. why the big secret?

eladan · Post by **eladan** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 02:53

There's no big secret, it's just that asking for a prediction on a fix is like... asking a detective to predict when he'll solve a murder. Show me the detective who'll make a prediction like that, and I'll show you a software company which gives release dates on patches.

Bad2DBone · Post by **Bad2DBone** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 03:35

lol...

Goals in Concrete; Plan in sand.

They must have a date for next release and the devs try to cram as many fixes in for that release as possible

... Testing (is there any?) of course dictates whether a fix REALLY goes in or not

frymaster · Post by **frymaster** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 03:55

also, given the issues they had with the hotfix (it wasn't released on steam until a good while after the other versions, becuase releasing it was spur-of-the-moment and they hadn't given valve advance warning) they'll probably finish the patch, coordinate with steam, find out when steam are going to distribute, and then syncronise the release.

...in other words, it's partly out of their hands.

Bad2DBone · Post by **Bad2DBone** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 04:06

So the goal is a DAY BEFORE steam has a drop dead date for the next "push".

And yes I was one of those hammering the steam button to try to get my download!

Perhaps someone could set pic of the day to be some terran sector so I can see what they are like ?

Of course as this is the Last X before the major re-write (new engine etc.) you are going to eventually open source some non-core code towards the middle of next year to let the modders go wild

pfrabott · Post by **pfrabott** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 05:53

It's better that they don't state a release date since if they do that and they are unable to deploy on that date everyone will get mad. Plus not releasing the date gives them time to get it right so they are not trying to cram last minute on things before deployment.

It's like Microsoft; Anytime they post a release date for something I always add 3-6 months to that date because they always end up delaying that long.

I know with my company which develops software for other companies, when we provide the client with an estimated date to completion, we are usually a month or two off.

acrh2 · Post by **acrh2** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 07:38

pfrabott wrote:It's better that they don't state a release date since if they do that and they are unable to deploy on that date everyone will get mad. Plus not releasing the date gives them time to get it right so they are not trying to cram last minute on things before deployment.

It's like Microsoft; Anytime they post a release date for something I always add 3-6 months to that date because they always end up delaying that long.

I know with my company which develops software for other companies, when we provide the client with an estimated date to completion, we are usually a month or two off.

It's better for the company, it's not better for me.

I don't see how anyone in their right mind can be a customer yet support a company's policy which hurts the customer.

And with respect to the detective predicting when he'll solve a murder comment.

This is not a murder mystery. They coded the thing themselves for chrissake. It just shows incompetence.

Bad2DBone · Post by **Bad2DBone** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 07:48

Yo! Chill...

You didn't really expect them to give a firm date did you. They are probably under financial constraints and would love to get all bugs fixed etc.

They MAY go Agile in the future and have 4-weekly drops, or something similar, and set up continuous integration and automated testing! who knows?

This game is truly awesome and unique (Ok, Eve etc may be the new kid on the block but who was here first and I prefer SP anyhow when Eve is just Griefer city!)

Don't give the guys a hard time; they WILL fix things; eventually and just think what the next game will be like.. I just hope they actually test it a lot more! ... If they pay me some $$ i will be a tester for it

Please Ego boys roll out the next great Space sim!

eladan · Post by **eladan** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 08:05

acrh2 wrote:I don't see how anyone in their right mind can be a customer yet support a company's policy which hurts the customer.

I'm curious about how you're hurt by this. It might be nice to have the information, but the patch won't be delivered any earlier if you know when it's coming.

And with respect to the detective predicting when he'll solve a murder comment.

This is not a murder mystery. They coded the thing themselves for chrissake. It just shows incompetence.

All I was saying there is that they have to find the bugs before they can fix the bugs. Finding them is the trick, and by definition is not something you can predict.

Paradoxically, it's sometimes harder to find bugs when you're more familiar with the code. You tend to read the code as you meant it to be, rather than as it actually is.

exogenesis · Post by **exogenesis** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 09:14

eladan wrote:...Paradoxically, it's sometimes harder to find bugs when you're more familiar with the code. You tend to read the code as you meant it to be, rather than as it actually is.

Amen

I think I'd rather have a longer wait for the next patch/upgrade,
so it's got more content (& fills in certain gaps), rather than piecemeal content
(apart from fixing killer bugs of course).

palm911 · Post by **palm911** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 09:25

well .. mission were created with MD, now 75% if not more are bugged.

they should NEVER release a game as it is now. its a insult to the customers.

so please no more code excuses, there is a lot of things broken in the game, and they had enough time to make it right. considering the game is just an expanded X3 reunion, with new interface. and guess what. the interface is not the problem is the content all broken,

was it soo hard for then to just do(play) the mission by thenselves before launching the game? in my opinion there are 2 options:
1. they did not check the content (wich is lame)
2. if they check it, the ones responsibles for Quality are simply r*******.

i think its number one, i just cant believe that 4 our of 5 plot content in the game are bugged and the devs or the Quality whatever team did not found before relasing it. (if they did read number 2)

content broken:

final fury: bugged
gonners: bugged
terran plot: with bugs
PHQ plot: bugged
capturing part of the game with bugs
used ships : bugged.
terran economy: broken
missing factories ,,, (not present . woah. not a bug)
combat mission Invasions: bugged (60 capitals inviading. sooo many that the turrets will stop working, AI ships stop moving ETC.
corporation missions : bugged.

and dont let me go into perfomance......

in my opinion instead of kissing egosoft arses, as customers you should make some preasure on then to make things RIGHT. they got our 45 or 50usd (Depending on when/where you got it) without BUGS .

and trust me i can live with a bug here and there. but this is getting way too far. and guess what... where is egosoft? who knows. they are probably not reading this, hotfixes can make people happy, and there are a few things that can get fixed easily,

i would like to see some act of responsability from egosoft. im probabbly asking too much.

Bad2DBone · Post by **Bad2DBone** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 09:36

Considering the scope of the game its pretty impressive.

Yes there are bugs and Egosoft should be ashamed it is THIS buggy.

Let us hope they hear the words and make the next series of patches both get rid of bugs and give something extra for the loyal followers.

They have so may loyal followers then should use a few of them to Beta test! - DOH!

EventHorizon · Post by **EventHorizon** » Tue, 11. Nov 08, 10:33

palm911, you have just proven that you really do not have a clue

As a software developer myself (No, I do not work for Egosoft) I take issue with a lot of your 'points', but whatever I guess you're quite young - if you're not then I really think you need to chill.

Now, at the risk of getting in trouble I can tell you that the Egosoft developers are working to fix plenty of things. No I don't know what is being fixed or when the latest patch will be ready - so don't ask.

As for your comment of "i would like to see some act of responsability from egosoft. im probabbly asking too much." may I point some things out to you?

First, it should be a capital I and "im" should be "I am" or "I'm" - If you can't get a rant correct how do you expect a significant amount of code/script not to have potential issues?

Second, Egosoft have proven over the years to be one of the most responsible developers around. They get no money for doing these patches, they get pushed around by publishers who hold ALL the carrots and then they have to put up with comments like yours calling them retards.

May I recommend that you take a step back, take a deep breath and think really hard about your comments?