[Discussion] Generic X3TC S&M questions III

[JSDD]

I'm not sure this is the right place to ask...

But since installing XRM, my X3AP has been mostly impossible to play ...

... it would be better if you ask this in the XRM topic

[DrBullwinkle]

@ilja2: That is the main purpose of XRM: To make the game more challenging.

As a general suggestion, overhaul mods are not intended for players new to the game. They are made for players who have spent hundreds of hours on the vanilla game and who seek greater challenge.

[JSDD]

... short question about MD libraries:

=> i dont understand how the vanilla mission system is working


if 2 different cues are calling the same library-cue, and this
library-cue itself sets LOCAL values & does stuff with them, WHY arent the values been overwritten, when the lib is called another time ???

example:
... my library "mylibcue" sets the LOCAL value:
--> mylibcue.ship

... later then this library does stuff with its variables / calls another lib (or somewhat)
... if the lib is called (second time !!) from another cue, those values should be overwritten, shouldn´t they ?!
// because they´re stored locally under the same name


now the question(s):
are those library cue ONLY EXISTING in the cues which have called them ???
are they similar to kind of "instances" of the lib code which cant been accessed from "outside" the lib-cue ???

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  <cues>

    <cue name="JSDDMain" delay="2s">
      <condition>
        <check_age min="10s"/>
      </condition>
      <action>
        <do_all>
          <incoming_message text="...my test starts now:"/>
        </do_all>
      </action>
      <cues>

        <cue name="JSDDDummy1">
          <timing>
            <time exact="2s"/>
          </timing>
          <cues>
            <cue name="JSDDDummyone">
              <condition>
                <cue_is_complete cue="JSDDDummy1"/>
              </condition>
              <action>
                <do_all>
                  <incoming_message text="...cue1 triggered:"/>
                </do_all>
              </action>
              <cues>
                <cue ref="JSDDLib">
                  <params>
                    <param name="callingcue" value="JSDDDummy1"/>
                  </params>
                </cue>
              </cues>
            </cue>
          </cues>
        </cue>

        <cue name="JSDDDummy2">
          <timing>
            <time exact="5s"/>
          </timing>
          <cues>
            <cue name="JSDDDummytwo">
              <condition>
                <cue_is_complete cue="JSDDDummy2"/>
              </condition>
              <action>
                <do_all>
                  <incoming_message text="...cue2 triggered:"/>
                </do_all>
              </action>
              <cues>
                <cue ref="JSDDLib">
                  <params>
                    <param name="callingcue" value="JSDDDummy2"/>
                  </params>
                </cue>
              </cues>
            </cue>
          </cues>
        </cue>
        
      </cues>
    </cue>

    <cue name="JSDDLib" library="1">
      <condition>
        <check_all>
          <check_value value="{object.exists@{player.target}}" exact="1"/>
        </check_all>
      </condition>
      <action>
        <do_all>
          <incoming_message text="caling cue = {param@callingcue}\ntarget = {object.name@{player.target}}"/>
        </do_all>
      </action>
    </cue>
    
  </cues>

... that was my test code, first i got the three messages from the "normal" cues, then i targeted a ship after 10sec.
=> the lib has sent me 2 messages back, one called by JSDDDummy1 and another on by JSDDDummy2 !!!
=> that means that this library cue existed twice & parallel (containing different parameters) !!

[DrBullwinkle]

this library-cue itself sets LOCAL values ...

WHY arent the values been overwritten, when the lib is called another time ???

Because they are local values. "Local" means "within this instance of this thing".

[Overwatch]

Hrm. I'm thinking I'd like to try to dogfight in "3rd person" without ACTUALLY using the 3rd person camera (Which would block the crosshairs.

Should it be just as simple as changing the "Main Gun" camera position in the object file to be further back and behind the ship?

[JSDD]

@ the "doc": ... THX
... i´ve made some other tests to figure out how it´s working, it seems that lib-cues are kind of instances of an "non-existent" cue ^^
// for example, the same library called twice --> the second instance doesnt "know" what (local) value was set by the first instance, undependend of its <cue.state>

@ overwatch: ... yepp, that would be an option, therefore you have to change the scene file of the considered ship, but it will lead to another "little" problem:
--> when fighting & your target gets in range of your main weapons, the <target.is.now.in.range>-message wil be spoken later
<-- why that ?!
--> because your ship checks the distance of the target TO YOUR MAIN COCKPIT, not the distance to the main weapons
// do you know the problem with MARS-Panther using PBE ?!

[Ender_Xenocide]

Goof afternoon, merchants and marauders, privateers and tycoons. Couple of quick questions:

1. Is there a decent mod out there that would make ships that get destroyed leave some debris behind? I find it breaks the immersion somewhat the way you can fly straight through a (technically dead) capital ship before it's even broken apart. Now, I know there are mods that allow for the salvage or repair of existing debris (such as that found in President's End), but I'm thinking of something more like Homeworld 2's system, where ships leave hulks/debris scattered when they explode, which can then be mined for ore, silicon, nvidium, etc...

2. I've read this thread on mobile mining:
http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=145943 Is there a mod that deals with the problems outlined here and makes it really practical? I'm thinking mainly ways to avoid collision dangers for your ship IS, and ways to automate the drilling process so the players doesn't have to personally shoot rocks the whole time.

Thanks in advance for your replies. Also please let me know whether any mods you recommend are compatible with the XRM, as it's fate and mine are inextricably intertwined.

[X2-Illuminatus]

1. Shiploot by Mailo is the only one I can think of. Whereby that is just a script and just marks potential wrecks with navigation beacons.

2. This guide you linked is for X3: Reunion. Are you sure that everything mentioned in it still applies to X3TC/AP?
In any way, DrBullwinkle's Mobile Mining Mk2 script improves the mining process.

[Ender_Xenocide]

Thanks for the info.

2. I wasn't sure it still applied, but the script you linked says it does. He also says that he will commit bodily harm if you ask him whether it's compatible with the XRM.

Anyone else know about proper ship debris mods (as described above)?

[Aidyer]

I would like a mod that increases the number of Pirates and Xenon in the X-Universe for X3AP, both in their own sectors and patrols across other sectors. Does anyone know of anything along those lines?

[Ender_Xenocide]

I would like a mod that increases the number of Pirates and Xenon in the X-Universe for X3AP, both in their own sectors and patrols across other sectors. Does anyone know of anything along those lines?

If you're just starting AP, get Litcube's Universe

http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... sc&start=0

It requires a restart, but it does what you're asking for and soooooooo much more.

[Aidyer]

I would like a mod that increases the number of Pirates and Xenon in the X-Universe for X3AP, both in their own sectors and patrols across other sectors. Does anyone know of anything along those lines?

If you're just starting AP, get Litcube's Universe

http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php? ... sc&start=0

It requires a restart, but it does what you're asking for and soooooooo much more.

Looks great, I may try that some time, but right now I'm looking to stay on my current game and increase the challenges there.

I did more digging and found Pirate Guild 3, which I'm going to give a go, mods like that I'm looking for. Thanks anyway, appreciated

[Ender_Xenocide]

No problem. You might also look up something called the improved races mod 2.0. Not sure if it requires a restart, but it deals with that sort of thing.

[zanex09]

Recently started play tc again and was looking into modding some stuff. Main mod im looking at is hephaistos corp for my stations, but it looks like it might only be for ap. Is hephaistos compatible with tc and if not is there a mod like it that is compatible with tc?

[Ender_Xenocide]

Hi there. You should Just upgrade to Albion Prelude anyway, IMHO. Among many other upgrades, it improves performance and has far more reliable and sane OOS combat calculations. Also if you do, you can get Litcube's Universe total conversion mod, which includes the Saturn complex hub:

https://code.google.com/p/litcubesunive ... omplex_Hub

Trust me, I played Terran Conflict only until last month, and I haven't looked back.

[Sparky Sparkycorp]

Recently started play tc again and was looking into modding some stuff. Main mod im looking at is hephaistos corp for my stations, but it looks like it might only be for ap. Is hephaistos compatible with tc and if not is there a mod like it that is compatible with tc?

Hello,

You can find all the up-to-date versions of bonus pack tools for TC and AP in my signature. That includes Hephaistos Corp, which although from the AP bonus pack, is also compatible with TC.

That said, I would echo Ender's words - AP is good anyway but the LU mod is basically offering X4 in terms of developments and all-round improvements.

[zanex09]

thanks for the replies. i havent bought AP because i thought it was another stand alone like TC but after looking into it now it seems its and expansion. i have the disc for TC so i would like to find a downloadable copy of AP but afaik its not sold in the egoshop, all i can find is rebirth and X2. where can i find a downloadable copy of AP thats not from steam?

[Sparky Sparkycorp]

No idea but you can probably sign your TC copy up with steam and then get AP from there. Some people hate steam so perhaps that isn't helpful for you though.

[Ender_Xenocide]

thanks for the replies. i havent bought AP because i thought it was another stand alone like TC but after looking into it now it seems its and expansion. i have the disc for TC so i would like to find a downloadable copy of AP but afaik its not sold in the egoshop, all i can find is rebirth and X2. where can i find a downloadable copy of AP thats not from steam?

Also no idea, but keep in mind you can DL the Steam version and then make a non-steam backup folder and run it without Steam using the non-steam executable (which you can download from this forum once you've registered your game copy on the site).

[X2-Illuminatus]

where can i find a downloadable copy of AP thats not from steam?

All X3AP versions are Steam bound (i.e. have to be registered with Steam for installation and update purposes).