#NotMyArgons ARGON RACE and SHIPS

[mr.WHO]

Guys! I think you're just trolled by RNG (random number generator).
I'm anti-SJW and hate "diversity is our strenght" BS, but my game is rather normal.
In my game, among all Argon NPCs, black are about 30% and I'm yet to see black station manager or captain, no joking!

Unless someone find proof that there is code to mess with model ratio, I can bet this is just bad RNG and a little bit of paranoia.

[banghead]

By the way the X year 742 is the Terran Year 2912.

Ingame X4 Date is 825, so its the Terran Year 2995, ive no fkin idea what x rebirth date is and i usually try to ignore it.

[JDCollie]

Also, fun fact: most of the ship designs in this game are a throwback to older titles. The Discoverer, Falcon is a detailed version of the X-BtF discoverer; the Buzzard is an edgy looking X2 design, the Paranid/Xenon ships all took the inspiration from the X3 games. Also, the general Argon textures are a throwback to the X-BtF/X2 Argon textures, looking more "human". The Terran ships are probably still straight up Apple products, though.

Eh, I still think X3 was the pinnacle of ship design in the X series in terms of diverse flavor. The fleets of each race had distinctive yet coherent style. Don't get me wrong, some of the ships from Rebirth looked extremely cool, but aside from the the Xenon, they really lacked a fleet wide aesthetic to give them a visual identity.

To put it another way, if you can't play "Who's that pokemon?" with your ships, they might be too similar stylistically.

[Azran_Zala]

I actually noticed this after they changed things so Split didn't spawn everywhere. I don't think I've met an Argon who wasn't black. The models being Garry's Mod/HL2ish with weird glitches make for some extremely funny moments. The hair moving around or the heads floating around etc. Anyways with how things are these days you should expect forced inclusion even if it's not in the lore or previous works.

Also, I'm aware of the racist mod 4chan is trying to push onto moddb that disables models of people of colour.

I found out about that due to the censorship. Any censorship is wrong. Simple as that. Who cares if a few people use that mod. It's like watching TV or Netflix I just shut it off or change the channel. There were nude mods for Yisha in X-Rebirth too. The sky is falling! All they did was highlight the double standards and made it more popular. Way to go I guess?

+1 Nothing 'racist' about wanting to play a game your way.

[Midgard117]

All my Argon captains are Whoopi Goldberg , thats its not normal...

[Azran_Zala]

All my Argon captains are Whoopi Goldberg , thats its not normal...

She came with a mining capship I bought - she seems to think commanding the bridge in trainers with no socks is acceptable dress code . My copilot is Morpheus. He's cool.
While most of argons I've had to pick from were either Rasta dood with Medusa dreads, or white chick with helmet.

[mr.WHO]

Even if I don't experince this problem in my X4 game, I'd take rasta over XR space grannies any time.

[Azran_Zala]

Even if I don't experince this problem in my X4 game, I'd take rasta over XR space grannies any time.

Ditto... So many wrinkles and saggy jingles but living in Zero G. (Interestingly, their removal was first mod I downloaded. second was Titurel Engine Fix)

It had -some- cool ships though. I want my arawn back

[Tomonor]

I actually noticed this after they changed things so Split didn't spawn everywhere. I don't think I've met an Argon who wasn't black. The models being Garry's Mod/HL2ish with weird glitches make for some extremely funny moments. The hair moving around or the heads floating around etc. Anyways with how things are these days you should expect forced inclusion even if it's not in the lore or previous works.

Also, I'm aware of the racist mod 4chan is trying to push onto moddb that disables models of people of colour.

I found out about that due to the censorship. Any censorship is wrong. Simple as that. Who cares if a few people use that mod. It's like watching TV or Netflix I just shut it off or change the channel. There were nude mods for Yisha in X-Rebirth too. The sky is falling! All they did was highlight the double standards and made it more popular. Way to go I guess?

+1 Nothing 'racist' about wanting to play a game your way.

Yeah, in theory not, but the way it's presented, it is.

But you do have to be a regular at 4chan to fully understand what's going on.

[GrieferBastard]

So about 80% of the worlds population is not caucasian. Centuries away from earth the population would be far more homogeneous than it is now and it'd be darker, especially the hair. Maybe dreadlocks are fashionable? Most people who play the game likely didn't even notice, or care. Most likely this is just something that happened by accident when adjusting Split population representation. The need to see anything impacting racial representation as some agenda is such a neon flashing sign for insecurity along with throwing around 'SJW' like it's some magic weapon to wield against anyone who recognizes blatant racism and points out how stupid it is.

Threads like this are a reminder of why single player games are so awesome. There's so many stupid, insecure, overly dramatic people out there. This thread needs closed and put in the trash.

[boreas.real]

all those stupid arguments about lore and racism and stuff, when the real question is:
Should I hire a bodyguard? There are so many Hitmans. Should I be worried? Should I recruit a platoon of rasta grannies with shotguns?

[banghead]

All my Argon captains are Whoopi Goldberg , thats its not normal...

welcome to the forum and your first post in this glorious thread

[Wou]

When you do actually think about it, if they all came from a relatively small group separated from Earth 700 years ago and stuck together shouldn't they, well, mix by now? Be all be pretty much the same race, somewhere in the middle of the racial composition of their predecessors?
Or they were all horribly bigoted through the centuries and only bred inside of their specific races despite having such a limited population? It's a miracle they managed to raise to being an universal power if that's the case.

Unless they are supposed to be of Japanese origin, then, well...

[Tomonor]

When you do actually think about it, if they all came from a relatively small group separated from Earth 700 years ago and stuck together shouldn't they, well, mix by now? Be all be pretty much the same race, somewhere in the middle of the racial composition of their predecessors?
Or they were all horribly bigoted through the centuries and only bred inside of their specific races despite having such a limited population? It's a miracle they managed to raise to being an universal power if that's the case.

Unless they are supposed to be of Japanese origin, then, well...

Not sure where people are getting this "few" people. The Argon federation haven't only consisted people of R. Gunne's crew, but multiple colonies. Hence each system's average population are millions of people (although mixed with other races).

[banghead]

Well, after the battle against the Terraformers the remainants of Gunnars Fleet landet on FOUR a planet in SONARA SYSTEM That has been renamed after his death to ARGON PRIME

no idea what colonies you are talking about, but they have been seperated for like a long time, if iam not wrong 700 years+ because the gate network expanded after the xbtf brennan era, in x2 for the first time, and so on.

[Wou]

Not sure where people are getting this "few" people. The Argon federation haven't only consisted people of R. Gunne's crew, but multiple colonies. Hence each system's average population are millions of people (although mixed with other races).

Ah ok. But are you sure?
I though the human colonies were pretty much wiped out by the Terraformers, and as they were heading for their final target - Earth the desperate sacrifice was made by Gunn and his fleet, leaving only them alive on that side of the universe.


Actually I just went ahead and checked the Argonopedia thing, and it states, in order:

2115: The second planet of Alpha Centauri, called Taurus, quickly becomes the largest colony outside the solar system with nearly 100,000 colonists
2146: The terraformer war devastates Earth and most colonies.
2147: There's a fight over the second planet of Alpha Centauri, Taurus: the remaining TF-Earth fleet is fighting against Nathan R. Gunne's fleet. Most of Taurus is destroyed; of the population of 100,000 only 20,000 humans survive.

So yeah, the biggest colony had 100k people. "most colonies" were "devastated", and the 100k one got reduced to 20k + Gunne fleet. Not that much of people.

[Silla]

This topic is a strange mix of arguing about design of ships and white justice warriors defending their right to represented on more equal terms and others defending that it’s good as it is. These are like first world problems and it’s good to know they are not of high priority at this time.

I mean I do understand that someone might ask for a more balanced spawn mechanism to not have the same models used excessively, or to bring more variety in general to not have 2 identical models standing next to each other. But putting that much importance on it is something I don’t understand.

[Phoynix]

You are right, the worlds population is mostly non caucasian, so one would expect that a Game made in mainly caucasian country and that will be brought by majority of the Caucasian world wouldn't be racist and troll its main player base.
To do so is racist(I actually assume its a bug personally, if it was done intentionally its the last Egosoft title I will ever buy)

One would also think that non caucasians are quite capable of making their own games and don't need to troll their primary player racial base by ensuring they make up only 1% of the ingame NPC.

I went through 250 Human NPC in game.
Of those 250 240 were black, 3 was Caucasian, and 7 were some weird ass Indian/Chinese old granny/man thing.

Funny thing is you are the racist here...
I quite happily buy Asian games set in China such as Romance of the three kingdoms series(when it was good) I don't have any problems with all the chars being Asian.
I played quest for glory 3 Wages of war(one of my fav games) Majority of all humans in that game are African but surprise surprise its set in an Africanish like country and it makes perfect rational sense that they are majority African. I love Asian/Indian movies more so then hollywood these days... most often they don't have a single Caucasian and surprise surprise I don't have a problem with it. What I do have a problem with is attacks against my race by SJW claiming people are racist for being upset at what looks like an intentional attack and insult simply because they are white.

What I and others are upset about are the spate of widespread attacks against whites across the western world by people of colour, such as over 500000 white girls raped in the UK over 3 years by muslims simply because they were WHITE.
Or the New years mass rapes in germany by Arabs/Negros against German women that saw thousands of white women dragged down into subways and raped. Feel free to google for the videos...
Maybe its the world wide "knock out game" where Africans go along and punch a random white person as they pass and if they knock them out they "win" and also often rob the victim aswell.

Maybe the fact that in every Western country the most victimized group of people are whites by non whites when it comes to hate crimes based on statistics but hey whites are the majority if they comitted hate crimes at even a equal rate the non whites would actually be more victimized yet they are not... White people don't have a right to be upset right?

Maybe its the mass spate of false claims of white racism across the world and especially in the USA and Canada were "minorities" will write hate speech or nazi symbols or claim they were abused by white people only for video evidence to come out showing they did it themselves.

Maybe people just want to play a game without the PC crap or SJW crap making it into game and possibly being thrown in our faces.

So about 80% of the worlds population is not caucasian. Centuries away from earth the population would be far more homogeneous than it is now and it'd be darker, especially the hair. Maybe dreadlocks are fashionable? Most people who play the game likely didn't even notice, or care. Most likely this is just something that happened by accident when adjusting Split population representation. The need to see anything impacting racial representation as some agenda is such a neon flashing sign for insecurity along with throwing around 'SJW' like it's some magic weapon to wield against anyone who recognizes blatant racism and points out how stupid it is.

Threads like this are a reminder of why single player games are so awesome. There's so many stupid, insecure, overly dramatic people out there. This thread needs closed and put in the trash.

[Tomonor]

So yeah, the biggest colony had 100k people. "most colonies" were "devastated", and the 100k one got reduced to 20k + Gunne fleet. Not that much of people.

Yeah, I remember that, but the maths does not check out.

Or there must have been some serious baby boom going on during those 700 years so millions, if not billions could populate systems, space stations, and multiple planets in the X universe.

[banghead]

This topic is a strange mix of arguing about design of ships and white justice warriors defending their right to represented on more equal terms and others defending that it’s good as it is. These are like first world problems and it’s good to know they are not of high priority at this time.

I mean I do understand that someone might ask for a more balanced spawn mechanism to not have the same models used excessively, or to bring more variety in general to not have 2 identical models standing next to each other. But putting that much importance on it is something I don’t understand.

You may want to add that this topic is about a argon lore discussion, and gets instrumentalized by sjw to present their opinion ^^

Actually I just went ahead and checked the Argonopedia thing, and it states, in order:

2115: The second planet of Alpha Centauri, called Taurus, quickly becomes the largest colony outside the solar system with nearly 100,000 colonists
2146: The terraformer war devastates Earth and most colonies.
2147: There's a fight over the second planet of Alpha Centauri, Taurus: the remaining TF-Earth fleet is fighting against Nathan R. Gunne's fleet. Most of Taurus is destroyed; of the population of 100,000 only 20,000 humans survive.

So yeah, the biggest colony had 100k people. "most colonies" were "devastated", and the 100k one got reduced to 20k + Gunne fleet. Not that much of people.

Wow thanks for the sauce, so its 20k + the fleet
700 years later they look strange mixed grey/darktone humans

facts hurt sjw?