[REQ to EGOSOFT] Cockpits. Please, include them in the next patch!!

[amirite]

NOBODY here is opposed to cockpits dude. I don't think you cockpit fanatics are understanding what is being said here:

We hear that you want cockpits or at least the ability to mod them in safely. Rest assured that Egosoft has this suggestion filed and numbered accordingly. We hear you.

Now shutup. This issue is so low on the list of priorities it's not even funny. This game has so many problems that, for the good of the game, should be solved. Poor performance breaks EVERYONE'S immersive experience.

Seriously this topic is so not worth discussing considering the state of the game, and that's why people get so hostile whenever it's suggested.

[Freeman_79]

Seriously this topic is so not worth discussing considering the state of the game, and that's why people get so hostile whenever it's suggested.

Perhaps not, but I guess you found air anyway, must have proven something

However, I didn't post this to start an argue, and I fail to see how this post offended just you

And third, if you having problem that people bringing this up I suggest you move on to another thread, no one asked you to be here

[sferum]

However, I didn't post this to start an argue, and I fail to see how this post offended just you

I agree with you (if I did`t missunderstand you)

I know there are a lot of people who would better prefer game bugs to get fixed. And nobody says nothing against it or them. But when some cockpit fanatic just express their WISH to have them again, everybody begins to argue about it.

We, I mean, all who want cockpits back, do not say it must be necesary done, or that's egosoft duty toinclude them. Whe just express or opinion thowards this topic and hope that they are from value for those who work actively on mods or on the game it self.

It's no order, it's no insult, its just a feedback to the game... And I thin that developers like feedmaks (mostly when they are good, but also not so god ones) to improve their product and with it, increase the sales.

I do not want offend anybody I just want to say what MY personal opinion is, wich hasn't to be also yours .
Don't we live in a democracy where one can express himself?



I created this post to say that I want cockpits back, and not to argue with everybody. If this is going to end in a fight, i'll just delete it.
So please, let's talk about cokcpits and not be rude with each other



*****

PS: added some more quotes ^.^

[amirite]

I'm not offended. If anybody is offended by anything in this thread they're crazy. We're talking about cockpits for christ's sake.

The problem is, there has been a very active discussion about this already, from point A to point B, inside the cockpit mod thread. However since that discussion began this is like the third thread on the topic of "Egosoft should make cockpits possible" or some variation on that theme.

Combined with the fact that outrageous claims have been made in the past (not by you or in this thread) like that 'it IS Ego's duty to include them', or that 'the game sucks without them', etc. The topic is just getting old for a lot of people and as I mentioned there is already a thread for discussing it.

Here's a link too in case you missed it: http://forum.egosoft.com/viewtopic.php?t=219037

[fredmxm354]

Ok, despite my view on not having cockpits returned, I'm going to try and be impartial,

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Neutral View :

Egosoft removed cockpits for a reason, either being performance or their decision being no cockpits were beneficial to the direction they wanted to take the X series.

Whether or not this was a good or bad idea, it is impossible to say as there are countless users who like the removal of the cockpits and a large number of users who don't.

Despite the large number of forum posts regarding cockpits not being answered, then doesn't that put across that Egosoft do not want to re-add cockpits?

As I'm sure a mod or admin has said before, Egosoft CAN'T please everyone.

So, if after a hundred or so posts going on about cockpits not being answered and finding that the TC code prevents cockpits being added, doesn't that imply that cockpits are not going to be added, or be able to modded back into TC?

So, where is the point on going on and on about the cockpits?

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My View

But if the requests of users are not taken to heart by the developers after a lengthy time period then really can you see them ever being acknowledged?

So I say again, what is the point of 'petitioning' the developer to re-add them? Or make frivolous threads about them?

To be completely honest with anyone reading this, I doubt they will be re-added so why waste your time asking? Also I am starting to get frustrated with the large number of posts regarding them. Terran Conflict has been out for how long now? and Reunion has been out for way over a year now, so the developers would have adjusted TC to comply with the requests if thats what they wanted to do, but again they have taken the action they believe to be beneficial to the X series and I AGREE with the decision to remove cockpits

DISCLAIMER!

These are just my neutral and personal views on the subject of cockpits, I do not mean to offend anyone or start an argument.




Fred

[eladan]

@amirite and others arguing against cockpits - this thread clearly wasn't started to argue the case for cockpits. If you don't like the premise of this thread, then feel free to avoid it. People who want cockpits are perfectly entitled to state that wish.

Neutral View :

Egosoft removed cockpits for a reason, either being performance or their decision being no cockpits were beneficial to the direction they wanted to take the X series.

As has been stated previously, they were removed because of the relatively large amount of time required to create them, compared to the benefit they provide. Egosoft actually wanted to include cockpits. But the economics of the situation dictated that they had to cut them out. It's that simple.

[sferum]

As has been stated previously, they were removed because of the relatively large amount of time required to create them, compared to the benefit they provide. Egosoft actually wanted to include cockpits. But the economics of the situation dictated that they had to cut them out. It's that simple.

I see... So EGO won't reinclude the. No problem.

But is there any chance that EGO will modificate the game code in order to allow modders to create them? EGO would need to make them one by one, because we, the players, would do it, and it also would mean the possibility of creating our own personalized ones too.

I dont need any proffessional cockpits with HD shaders, high ressolution textures or any thing else. In my opinion it would be enough to allow modders to design them.

I don't know if I explain my self. But is there any chance of EGO modificating what ever is necesary to prevent CTDs??



Saluditos!!!

[eladan]

I don't know if I explain my self. But is there any chance of EGO modificating what ever is necesary to prevent CTDs??

I don't mean to insult any modders or start any arguments, but given that cockpits were perfectly moddable in Reunion, I can't see why it would be different in TC... I'm wondering if the CTDs might be caused by some anomaly in the files - maybe file formats have changed slightly, and some crucial piece of info isn't fully understood, for instance?

I'd be searching further afield for the problem before laying blame with Egosoft on this, or before asking them to fix something which may not actually be broken. Apologies to the modders in question if they have fully explored the issue, but I don't see any such evidence based on posts in this thread.

[amtct]

Bad news,with the update 2.0 beta version the cockpits still don't work.

[amirite]

Yeah we really have no clue what will solve the problem. I'm sure the problem is moddable, in fact I thought I remembered someone saying that this same problem arose in the Reunion cockpit mod and was eventually fixed by the author.

Scripts and cat files are not the only things you can mod in TC. I'm sure if someone looks hard enough they can find a way. All the talk of 'restricted' code is also nonsense.

[Freeman_79]

I'd be searching further afield for the problem before laying blame with Egosoft on this, or before asking them to fix something which may not actually be broken.

Wonderful, great initiative eladan, I wish I were able to help somehow, but script and coding isen't my thing, don't understand a single piece of it

I however very much appreciate the effort you put down in it and ofc all the modders that tries to sort this issue out.

[Axeface]

Well if they do add them could they please make it optional. I for one don't want them really, sure they add immersion (And usually i'm an immersion junkie), but for some reason in x games I don't care for them.

@amirite and others arguing against cockpits - this thread clearly wasn't started to argue the case for cockpits. If you don't like the premise of this thread, then feel free to avoid it. People who want cockpits are perfectly entitled to state that wish.

And people that don't are free to ask that it's optional, as if your plea is successful we'd be stuck with them when some don't want em

[Arkblade]

I tried some investigations.

All cockpits to the same material -> CTD
The content of the scene file to the minimum -> CTD

Besides, what cause exists?

[sferum]

I'd be searching further afield for the problem before laying blame with Egosoft on this, or before asking them to fix something which may not actually be broken.

Wonderful, great initiative eladan

Thank you eledan for your effort!! =D

Well if they do add them could they please make it optional.

As eledan said, EGO probably won't reinclude them (I have absolutely no clue what one day in the end will really happen), so (if possible) modders will, and that mean you can choose whether install cockpits or not And IF ego did it, I'm sure there would be an option to active/deactive them

I dont want everybody to have cockpits, I just want to have the possibility to use them (thing I'll sure do, but with CTDs it's a bit molest )

I tried some investigations.

All cockpits to the same material -> CTD
The content of the scene file to the minimum -> CTD

Besides, what cause exists?

Thanks for continuing workting on your mod!! =D Really! Maybe in the end you'll do it!!!

Bad news,with the update 2.0 beta version the cockpits still don't work.

Is a new X³TC update availible???

[eladan]

I'd be searching further afield for the problem before laying blame with Egosoft on this, or before asking them to fix something which may not actually be broken.

Wonderful, great initiative eladan

Thank you eledan for your effort!! =D

Whoa there! I wasn't volunteering to find the issue - my knowledge tends to scripting rather than modding. I was merely suggesting what I would do were I one of those vastly talented individuals.

I tried some investigations.

All cockpits to the same material -> CTD
The content of the scene file to the minimum -> CTD

Besides, what cause exists?

I'd suggest starting a thread requesting other modders take a look, and see if someone can spot any issues. I personally don't know enough about modding to make any intelligent suggestions of things to try, but there are some very knowledgable and helpful folks on this forum who may be able to point out something you haven't thought of. There are times when, no matter how talented you are, you just won't be able to spot an issue without a different perspective.

[Skeeter]

Egosoft know of the problem with modding in cockpits, it wont be addressed in the next patch but maybe a future patch.

[jlehtone]

I tried some investigations.

Besides, what cause exists?

I'd suggest starting a thread requesting other modders take a look, and see if someone can spot any issues.

AFAIK, that thread already exists. It is the "Cockpit callback mod by Arkblade". He describes the problem there, does he not? Therefore, other modders could (and could have for some time) chime in there and do what is possible. Either the task is impossible for S&M, or the other modders have been busy on other problems.

And I also don't know how to contact with egosoft... but maybe, with some luck, the right person reads this message.

If you do assume that the problem is the lack of support in the game engine lacks for cockpits of any kind, then you should contact the Devs, suggesting addition of such feature. And you do that by posting into the L3+ Ideas (ie DevNet) Forum, following the strict posting rules that it has.

[Xenon_Slayer]

Hi guys.

Yes, there is a CTD issue with cockpits and we know about it. That's all I can divulge. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

[amtct]

If EGOSOFT fix the CTD problem I hope the great modders from this community will create more detailed cockpits.(I know you all will wrote :Say thanks for what the mod that was alredy created).
Its a good mod ,but I only imagine a better looking cockpits

[Skeeter]

Using existing textures should half the work load i would imagine. Then you just model the meshes which doesnt take very long per cockpit i just made one for a diff game and just took 20 mins.