Early details for next X³: Reunion patch - 1.3

orimk · Post by **orimk** » Thu, 15. Dec 05, 17:26

Thank god the economy will be rebalanced. There should be no way that a factory, at half-full of finished product, has a higher price than the Trading station with 0 units of that material.

More random missions should be created? Of diff. types?

How can a race (Argon) not have a transport-class ship (Mercury) without the ability to carry a mining laser?

Otherwise, the game looks pretty playable to me, even in 1.2 state... At least I'm making money. Have a silicon mine, and two Mercuries supplying it.

And another thing: please don't ever say "we're not going to touch that, it can be fixed with scripting". I program for a living all day long... having to program a game to a playable state shouldn't be a job. I buy games to have fun, not to work longer hours.

Post by **Cycrow** » Thu, 15. Dec 05, 17:43

orimk wrote:Thank god the economy will be rebalanced. There should be no way that a factory, at half-full of finished product, has a higher price than the Trading station with 0 units of that material.

thats something that wont be changed
trading stations always buy & sell there products at average price regardless of how many they have in stock, it was that way in x2 as well

what you seem to be missing about scritps, is that you dont have to script them urself, someone else would have already done it, all you need to do is download and install them

apogee · Post by **apogee** » Thu, 15. Dec 05, 18:14

When it says the patch will be available prior to xmas, please could this be prior to the end of play on Friday 23rd instead!!!!!

I dont have an internet connection at home so i need to get the patch via work and wont be back till jan 3rd.

Just a hope

axeaceaxe · Post by **axeaceaxe** » Thu, 15. Dec 05, 18:44

Not only does the selling aspect of the game need to be fixed, but also the ability to trading with the paranids. How in the world will you ever be able to if you don't gain any status with them?

Post by **BlackRain** » Thu, 15. Dec 05, 19:40

What do you mean Axe? You can gain rep with the paranid, your probably just up to a certain part of the plot where the paranid hate Julian, I stopped the plot well before that.

Andyson you can choose which sectors, but I dont think the sectors are named in the tbackgrounds although they might be I cant remember. They might be just identified by some kind of number but I could be wrong.

axeaceaxe · Post by **axeaceaxe** » Thu, 15. Dec 05, 19:46

BlackRain,

What plot do you have to get past to be able to trade with paranids?

EventHorizon · Post by **EventHorizon** » Thu, 15. Dec 05, 19:59

Red Squirrel wrote:I hope the patch addresses tha ALT-TAB issue and numerous CTD's and before we start on the technical babble....no other game crashes and drags the whole computer down in the way X3 does. If a service pops into life whilst your running the game....good bye X3 session and a nasty reboot or praying you can reach the tak manager. The ability to minimise the game and return to play where you left off is not too much to ask.

Whilst I agree that this is an issue that needs to be fixed I am affraid that you could not be more wrong regarding the amount of crashes that X3 has.

Yes, for some I know it has been more than a pain. And yes, I hope it is fixed (not had any crashes myself but I still want it fixed so that I never have any). There are other games that have the same, if not more crash bugs. F.E.A.R, Quake 4, Half Life 2 (now fixed though) to name only three.

Please remember that X3 was supposed to be released in Spring '06 (as stated on website some time ago), I guess that the publisher(s) forced Egosoft to rush the release. I am sure that 1.3 will fix many many flaws and add a lot of missing/new stuff. But I think we all need to be patient and wait for the patch to be released. All of this speculation about what is/isn't is going to result in a lot of frowns because issue X was not fixed in this release.

Keep calm, stay cool and relax. 1.3 is with the testers now...so I would guess that by the middle of next week we might have the patch.

EDIT:

Forgot is end of week already

EventHorizon · Post by **EventHorizon** » Thu, 15. Dec 05, 20:00

axeaceaxe wrote:BlackRain,

What plot do you have to get past to be able to trade with paranids?

From the very begining, blow up pirates (in Paranid space of course) then trade with Paranid.

Tare69 · Post by **Tare69** » Thu, 15. Dec 05, 20:55

X3 has no Clock? If there is it, where? You can't know how much time has left when doing BBS-missions or something...

axeaceaxe · Post by **axeaceaxe** » Thu, 15. Dec 05, 21:05

Which Paranid secter has the most pirate activity. So far I haven't seen much of anything.

scritty · Post by **scritty** » Thu, 15. Dec 05, 21:56

EventHorizon wrote: Whilst I agree that this is an issue that needs to be fixed I am affraid that you could not be more wrong regarding the amount of crashes that X3 has.

Errm , no he's not I own all of the games mentioned (Quake 4 F.E.A.R and Half Life 2) and - I can honestly say, with no exaggeration - (STEAM hiccups aside), non have ever crashed on me. Finished HL2, finished F.E.A.R and well through Quake 4 - not a crash in site. Not saying they don't crash - of course they do. They never did for me though.

But I wouldn't go posting comments like
"Couldn't be more wrong"
You are making presumptions about other peoples experiences - something you have no knowledge of

(Battlefield 2 is an absolute nightmare for me - but some people say it's never crashed on their configuration - so who am I to call them liars)

EventHorizon wrote: Please remember that X3 was supposed to be released in Spring '06 (as stated on website some time ago), I guess that the publisher(s) forced Egosoft to rush the release.

I've said it before, and i'll say it again - why on gods earth should the end customer be even remotely concerned about publisher pressure.

It is one step away from saying "We knew it wasn't finished, but they bullied us into releasing it"

In NO MARKET IN THE WORLD is this acceptable behaviour - If it IS true, then Egosoft would be well advised to say nothing of it, and seek another publisher next time.

In the UK knowlingly selling product that does not meet the merchentable quality which the VENDOR has stipulated is illegal

i.e if Egosoft say something is in the product - it bloody well better be - if they have a problem with that :

EASY - DONT SAY IT'S IN THE PRODUCT IN THE FIRST PLACE

(Though there is another thread with chapter-and-verse on this one)

End of the day X3 will be an excellent game, the designers are very talented people making games they enjoy making and playing - I support the X franchise, and will continue to. But I've got a £30 hole in my bank account now going back more than a month, and not one minute of satisfactory gameplay to show for it.

Now back to my mobile mining - once I get my self repairing hull upgraded !

Clarker

Gimlis · Post by **Gimlis** » Thu, 15. Dec 05, 22:01

fortunatly I've been able to play enjoy the game in it's current revision
But I am a anxious to see what improvement 1.3 brings both for content and peformance.

on the content side I'm really hoping to see the inclusion of a Yaki presence in the unvererse outside of the couple plot missions they apear in.

as it stood in my game I was barely able to complete the later missions involvolving the Yaki , 1 Argon & 2 Paranid M3's took out all the Yaki fighters for me and were destroying an instalation that would break the plot I had to rush to finnish the mission"s" before the Yaki were eradicated and the plot was broken by the AI

Legumis Soldat · Post by **Legumis Soldat** » Fri, 16. Dec 05, 01:00

I played with the 1.2.01 patch last night and it seems to go a bit better.

All the already-stated things aside the only expectation I have for 1.3 is the autopilot not crashing me into jumpgates!

I lose more Busters that way.

EventHorizon · Post by **EventHorizon** » Fri, 16. Dec 05, 01:30

scritty wrote:But I wouldn't go posting comments like
"Couldn't be more wrong"
You are making presumptions about other peoples experiences - something you have no knowledge of.

I appolgise if you misinterpreted my posting. I did not mean to say that X3 does not have bugs, it does pure and simple. And yes, the loose focus "bug" is a royal pain in the butt. That comment was based soley Red Squirrel's "no other game crashes and drags the whole computer down in the way X3 does", this is simply not the case as ANY program can cause a system to fall over. How many times have you seen Windows BSOD?

I personally (and I know I am not alone) found F.E.A.R, Quake 4 and HL2 very buggy...in fact all of them have caused my system to reboot several times. However for me X3 has never crashed (except when my hard disk became dissconnected - which killed everything). The bottom line is X3 is not the most buggy game ever written.

I don't find the situation acceptable, even though the game does not crash for me I still have to be carefull due to other plot related bugs. The unfortunate fact still remains that X3 was NOT ready for prime time, for whatever reason. This holds true as the manual does not reflect the game (at least yet) and things like mobile mining were not included at launch. Does this breach the "Supply of Goods and Services Act"? Yes and no, it's a very fine line and not one I would want to try and challenge (partly because it would probebly kill Egosoft if it were true which I don't want).

X3 will be a fantastic game, I just wish it was not rushed for any reason.

BTW, Battlefield 2 has never worked on my system so your not alone with issues there.

On an interesting side note (patch related), I was having a conversation with my brother the other day. We both agree that the internet has killed games...why? Simple, before the internet was used to distribute patches most games (especially heavy plot related games like RPG's) were tested over and over to make sure it worked as required. Now, it seems that the publishers just want to get the money as soon as possible...because they know we will download a patch to fix any bugs. Any game that has a patch within a few days of release (CIV 4 comes to mind as a recent example) is just asking for trouble.

If we differ on our oponions then thats fine...it's a free (well, kind of) world and everybody is entitled to their opinions. But please understand that I was not making a sweeping statement or that I do not understand that different people may/do have different issues. Surly if I was making a presumtion then Red Squirrel was as well with regard to the number of bugs in this game?

Oh well, I'll say no more on the subject...feel free to PM me as I feel you have a keen mind and I enjoy a good debate about such things.

Still looking forward to 1.3 and whatever improvements it brings.

Gregster6 · Post by **Gregster6** » Fri, 16. Dec 05, 01:31

EventHorizon wrote:
Red Squirrel wrote:There are other games that have the same, if not more crash bugs. F.E.A.R, Quake 4, Half Life 2 (now fixed though) to name only three.
Disagree!

I have played all of the above great, polished, professionally written and presented games. Not one single crash or hang or anything.

X3 - a slightly different story! - 1 week no hassle, enjoyable great game entertainment - followed by increasing hangs / crashes nastiness - culminating in full reformat / re-install of windows required.

X3 should not (in its current form) be mentioned in the same breath as these others.

Cheers

Legumis Soldat · Post by **Legumis Soldat** » Fri, 16. Dec 05, 03:50

Man, I just play the game, content in the knowledge that never, in my wildest dreams, could I create anything as nifty as X3.

There may be flaws in it but, shiz man, I don't care. I buy games to play them, not pick out the problems.

diamondwolf_ · Post by **diamondwolf_** » Fri, 16. Dec 05, 04:11

thanks for the news on the patch. I sure hope its here for christmas.

love this game. I do hope the pdf manual is ready soon too

Shaizan · Post by **Shaizan** » Fri, 16. Dec 05, 06:17

I have not had very many problems with the 1.2.01 patch. I have a pretty good machine, but the texture and shader are turned to low in order to play (which doesnt look that bad).

The game has run several hours straight with out very many problems i.e crashing on alt-tab or ships autopilot consuming space fuel and crash while docking.

I payed $39, which is pretty good price considering other PC games range from $49-$59. I have played many other games that were costlier and not "working as intended".

Well.. I cant wait till the new patch to see how the improvments increase performance. Keep up the good work.

Post by **BlackRain** » Fri, 16. Dec 05, 07:27

Gregster please, don't act like those games are something holy, Fear is a piece of garbage and so is Quake 4, the only good one mentioned is Half life 2 and that is for about the several hours or so it takes you to beat it then it is just wasted space. I have had HL2 crash on me and Fear, and yet X3 has never crashed on me.

Gregster6 · Post by **Gregster6** » Fri, 16. Dec 05, 08:47

BlackRain wrote:Gregster please, don't act like those games are something holy, Fear is a piece of garbage and so is Quake 4, the only good one mentioned is Half life 2 and that is for about the several hours or so it takes you to beat it then it is just wasted space. I have had HL2 crash on me and Fear, and yet X3 has never crashed on me.

Have looked at my post and it was a bit ambiguous. I'm not saying that those games are better / more enjoyable games. Far from it! I found the week or so I was able to play X3 (without it crashing and generally messing things up) really enjoyable.

What I am saying is that I disagree totally with Red Squirrel when he says

There are other games that have the same, if not more crash bugs. F.E.A.R, Quake 4, Half Life 2 (now fixed though) to name only three.

In my experience X3 is a far buggier / less well presented / less tested & complete product than any of the above and indeed any other game I have bought.

That's why I'm looking forward to it getting fixed!

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