Wtf ! This Is Just Stupid !

Iosyn · Post by **Iosyn** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 13:17

I realize you're pissed mate but the best advice for now is to just steer well clear of the campaign for a few months until everything is sorted out. There's no point whining at the rest of the fans who are pretty much in the same situation as yourself and just as pissed.

Also, if you wanted a response from technical support, it might be best to have originally posted this in the tech support board.

MrSuperKarti · Post by **MrSuperKarti** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 13:21

Iosyn wrote:I realize you're pissed mate but the best advice for now is to just steer well clear of the campaign

The economy collapses in free-play aswell due to Cargo-drones getting stuck (See my upper post), so this isnt just blocking the campaign, its blocking the game.

wullf · Post by **wullf** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 13:35

Alan Phipps wrote:Since this thread is not about assisting Egosoft to find solutions to bugs it can move.

"assisting Egosoft"
what sort of weird thinking ist that ?
so am i supposed to pay cash for ur game and also assist in creating it

i either pay and get it functional
or i assist and get payed

Maj3stic · Post by **Maj3stic** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 13:42

Bump for more problems with this P.O.S. game

Fallent · Post by **Fallent** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 13:48

Sam Redstone wrote:
Egosoft is a very small team who make very big games.!

Yet this is charged up there with the AAA titles.

We paid premium price for a premium product, their small development team is neither an excuse nor our concern.

bm01 · Post by **bm01** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 15:16

wullf wrote:
Alan Phipps wrote:Since this thread is not about assisting Egosoft to find solutions to bugs it can move.
"assisting Egosoft"
what sort of weird thinking ist that ?
so am i supposed to pay cash for ur game and also assist in creating it

i either pay and get it functional
or i assist and get payed

This thread previously was on the Technical Support forum. Even though it has "support" in its name, reporting bugs actually helps Egosoft.
I don't see the problem here.

chikatilo · Post by **chikatilo** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 15:23

Lhotse5 wrote:I still think Egosoft owes me an explanation.
Why is the Science ship there ?
Why can't it just disappear when I reload back to a previous save ?
HOW IS SOMEONE EXPECTED TO CONTINUE THE CAMPAIGN LIKE THIS ?!

Ah, these are the fundamental questions of life,
Who are we?
Why are we here?
Where do hats come from?
How are they made?

piiman · Post by **piiman** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 15:33

SyberSmoke wrote:Getting all upset about the bugs will not fix them. Nor will it convince the developers to get things done faster. So what is the point of the rant.

There is a bug, the drones freighters use get bugged. This makes the drones unavailable so when the ship trades again it becomes stuck at the port. This is rather game breaking so it will be a high priority patch. But until the fix...you may wish to play something else for a time.

As for the rant about ethics and honesty...nothing is ever so clear cut. For whatever reason the game was released and now the developers are doing their best to fix it's bugs in a timely manner. The process will not be easy, and it will probably have a few more instances of bugs that break things.

So you can rant about it with the rest of the loud and noisy yet irritating crowd that have been raging for a week now. Or you can sit down, chill out, play something else for a bit and keep in mind we are all standing in the same pile and hoping it all works out in time. There is no point to it, there is no reason for it, so get over it and move forward.

It people like you and your ilk that gives these company the idea they can release broken and unfinished products. If they sell a game as finished it should be finish, if its beta sell it as beta and the fix the bugs. But I and many others didn't buy it with the expectation that it would months before it was playable, if it ever is.

Chill out? No way! Not until I get what I was told I was buying or my money back.

piiman · Post by **piiman** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 15:37

Brzhk wrote:
Lhotse5 wrote: What about selling someone something, you know is broken ?
Do any of us not believe for one second that Egosoft knew....not suspected but positively knew, that this game would not play before they released it ?
Yet they released it anyway. They should have waited until it was ready.
A lot of speculation here.
As a developer myself, i can assure you you cannot predict most of the bugs - especially in a program as complex as that videogame. From one computer to another, you can discover huge bugs and very different behaviours.
Also, there might have been a lot of pressure from the marketing dept, the publisher, to release the game. You can't blame the devs for everything.

I would bet the developers who work on the weekend to deliver patches must feel just as pissed as you are.

Now let's see the other side of the story: you. Egosoft has always delivered buggy games, and has been delivering patches like a metronome. Unless you've been living in a cave - which apparently still has an internet connection - you'd be aware that usually, games, even from the biggest developers & publishers, are released with game breaking bugs (i mean, Simcity? hmm?). So, you wanted to be sure to get a bug free game? You should have waited for a couple of months. That would have been a smarter move.

There is no speculation here! There is no way they didn't know this game was broken NO WAY! If you are indeed a programmer you darn well know it also if not I hope I never run into anything you coded.

uzihead · Post by **uzihead** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 15:52

I am afraid that I also agree with the one opening this thread, "as a developer myself".

Selling a broken product with the promise of future fixing is in no way moral or fair. They've made a choice to do this, whoever did it. There is no excuse to that. And on top of everything, you cannot get a refund. How many "real life" products have "no refund" stamp on it. I assure that in Europe, Germany even more, very, very few. It is a civilized world, isn't it?! Well, guess again when thinking about "virtual" world...

I've been there, I have done that. As a dude doing stuff for games for 7 platforms, I have, voluntarily or forced, permitted games to be released with issues and game breaking bugs. Shit happens. It is a world where a software product design for entertaining is not seen as a product, but as a service, a bad service. You pay for the right to USE IT. Its quality varies from team to team and you get no refund, most of the time, for the good time you had with it. You made a choice, so buzz off!

But, if you want to change this, stop searching excuses for developers. Those people from Egosoft have no saying in this an they are NOT doing overtime right now because they want to. Who the hell do you think want to spend 12 hours, 7 days/week at work, and never get to see their family, friends or a damn pub?! I wonder if the appreciations on this forum and the likes of Facebook helps them... Hmm...

They do it because the decision people made a choice in their name, without giving a shit, and in the process, killing their own market. Guess who will suffer more...

But it is a good thing that some are still hiring... I think a good post will be "Developer hiring highly skilled C++ lead programmer ONLY for 8 hours/day paid normally". I bet there will be a long line at the door...

chikatilo · Post by **chikatilo** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 16:18

with the state is was released and the speed with which fixes and content are being added now, i truly think it was as simple as :

Run out of money
Release to get money
Make the rest of the game

If it was this or ever play a new X game, I'll take this every day of the year.
The impact on how much, or little, this release increased their community or how much it damaged their reputation, is another story though.

wullf · Post by **wullf** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 16:31

chikatilo wrote:with the state is was released and the speed with which fixes and content are being added now, i truly think it was as simple as :

Run out of money
Release to get money
Make the rest of the game

If it was this or ever play a new X game, I'll take this every day of the year.
The impact on how much, or little, this release increased their community or how much it damaged their reputation, is another story though.

if it realy was like that "go bankrupt or release the game to fix it later"

then they should have explained it and apologized, instead of calling it a great financial succes.

and as far as the updates go 1.00 was runing better for me then anything else they released. and until final fix on 1.17 it was unplayable becouse of the crashes. also with every update i got more lag without the posability to simply rollback to 1.00

Iosyn · Post by **Iosyn** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 16:49

wullf wrote:]

if it realy was like that "go bankrupt or release the game to fix it later"

then they should have explained it and apologized, instead of calling it a great financial succes.

and as far as the updates go 1.00 was runing better for me then anything else they released. and until final fix on 1.17 it was unplayable becouse of the crashes. also with every update i got more lag without the posability to simply rollback to 1.00

Just because the finished product at release is badly broken doesn't mean it didn't sell well-- and iirc Bernd did apologize in the same post he called it a success. I have yet to see an explanation however.

Mauzi! · Post by **Mauzi!** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 17:01

Iosyn wrote:Just because the finished product at release is badly broken doesn't mean it didn't sell well-- and iirc Bernd did apologize in the same post he called it a success. I have yet to see an explanation however.

*sighs*

I shall repeat this for the 500th time now:

The complaints are not about the bugs but about the product missing promised features, aka it was NOT finished (see my signature). In addition they refuse to tell us when/if those missing features will every get implemented.

On the other hand, Bernd's apology in my view only covered the bugs - which they now work on - but neither the "success" nor the lack of promised features.

marshb · Post by **marshb** » Sun, 24. Nov 13, 17:13

Iosyn wrote:
wullf wrote:]

if it realy was like that "go bankrupt or release the game to fix it later"

then they should have explained it and apologized, instead of calling it a great financial succes.

and as far as the updates go 1.00 was runing better for me then anything else they released. and until final fix on 1.17 it was unplayable becouse of the crashes. also with every update i got more lag without the posability to simply rollback to 1.00
Just because the finished product at release is badly broken doesn't mean it didn't sell well-- and iirc Bernd did apologize in the same post he called it a success. I have yet to see an explanation however.

And you probably never will. Contract law and all. The only way would be if civilization came to an end in which case no one would care. Another would be if relations between ego and deepsilver colapsed, another bad option. If you really want to know what happened, get a management job at deepsilver, but then you wont be able to divulge what you find out. Investors Rights trump everything and everyone. This relationship should tell everyone everything they need to know about how games are really made, where the funding to develope the game comes from, where and who your money goes to, and who is responsible for deciding the games condition at its release, and how much if any support the game gets after release.

monsto · Post by **monsto** » Mon, 25. Nov 13, 06:16

TL;DR . . . stop raging and start reading.

So here's an explanation:

It's clear that you're not up with the times around here. And the reality on this forum is that you're demanding explanation and restitution for the same problems/bugs that have been reported and complained about an untold number of times.

This forum is rife with countless complaints on countless bugs for a game that is barely 1 week old. Since release, there have been 6 bug patch releases that have contained a number of workarounds and general fixes.

Therefore, your rage complaints will not only fall on the deaf ears of the development staff, but will serve to stir the hornets nest of forum moderators that have sincerely had it up to here with general repetition.

I'm not telling you to stop, I'm just explaining reality. Further, if I were a mod (and i'm not, but have been a mod in high traffic forums and I'm just trying to give you a bit further explanation) and you continued to rage after a number of attempts have been made to explain things to you, I would be likely to nuke the site from orbit... in other words, I'd ban your ip block (255 ips or more) just to make sure not to hear from you again.

My suggestion? Stop raging and start reading.

[edit] OH BY THE WAY . . . Not trying to be a dick, but I lol at your '3rd time'.

Here's how frustrating it's been for me... according to my save game, I have 17 hrs. Steam, which records time in the game, shows 49 hours. That means that 2/3 of my play time has been pissed away due to restarts and backtracking.

YOUR PAIN IS PAR FOR THE COURSE.

tuskenus · Post by **tuskenus** » Mon, 25. Nov 13, 06:35

About the only way I can make sense of it, and still find a reason to play is to consider the bugs part of the game.

I started awhile ago to find that all trading is broken. Not just the ships that I want to trade for me, but all trading....everywhere.

That kinda jams up what I was intending to do, but it created a different game - "Steal as many of the stacked up freighters from the parking lot as you can"

I can't do anything with them, but....I have them!

BoydofZINJ · Post by **BoydofZINJ** » Mon, 25. Nov 13, 07:29

I can answer this for you:

Why is the game bugging out when buying 100 energy credits?

Answer: The game wants you to micro manage everything as a result, if you are rushing to the base - you are rushing past your slow freighter. Combine it with the sheer distance you have to travel... poof... then combine it with the sheer traffic in the area.... ha ha... you need to wait for the next 4 generations of computers and processors before x rebirth will be fixed for you.

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Wtf ! This Is Just Stupid !