Conflicts System (XDownloads + Nexus Mods)

[LordDeTracy]

Perhaps you have never used a nexus site? Premium just removes ads and gives you access to 2 premium download servers. Not a real biggy, but it doesnt separate access to files. Premium or normal, they could still download the same stuff.

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

GoogleDrive/GoogleCode/GoogleGroups anyone???

No. Not enough information, not structured for this use, no conflict management.

And on top of all that, its hard to use and get used to - and has a horrific interface.

And, its google.

Sounds more like an anti-google rant than a real objection.

If you think GoogleCode is hard to use you should try some of the paid for tools that are considered industry standard in software.

As for the conflict management, that to me is the job of something like the Plug-in Manager or Changeling. WRT the latter it needs further work which I have not had time to spend doing. WRT the PM, that is Cycrows balliwick.

[Ketraar]

Perhaps you have never used a nexus site? Premium just removes ads and gives you access to 2 premium download servers. Not a real biggy, but it doesnt separate access to files. Premium or normal, they could still download the same stuff.

Maybe you need to learn to read first. Its about the principle of treating everyone the same. Capped DL speeds and (from what I read in their forums) differentiated treatment is just what I got in 10 min searching. I will not support a system based on those principles (credit card first, then everyone else).

MFG

Ketraar

[Slugworld]

Maybe you need to learn to read first. Its about the principle of treating everyone the same. Capped DL speeds and (from what I read in their forums) differentiated treatment is just what I got in 10 min searching. I will not support a system based on those principles (credit card first, then everyone else).

MFG

Ketraar

Thats right Ketraar, the site is mainly geared towards the paying members, several other sites have been taken over by nexusmods. You can see the exposed IP addresses for one the sub domains below. There are several others. The data can be set to private but its not in their interest to do so. Thousands of addresses are exposed each day. I feel they are just trying to profit from other peoples work.

http://extremetracking.com/open?login=wotnexus

I've found some alarming stuff on google with the following keywords:

nexus mod manager spyware
nmm spyware

[Jack08]

Maybe you need to learn to read first. Its about the principle of treating everyone the same. Capped DL speeds and (from what I read in their forums) differentiated treatment is just what I got in 10 min searching. I will not support a system based on those principles (credit card first, then everyone else).

MFG

Ketraar

Thats right Ketraar, the site is mainly geared towards the paying members, several other sites have been taken over by nexusmods. You can see the exposed IP addresses for one the sub domains below. There are several others. The data can be set to private but its not in their interest to do so. Thousands of addresses are exposed each day. I feel they are just trying to profit from other peoples work.

http://extremetracking.com/open?login=wotnexus

I've found some alarming stuff on google with the following keywords:

nexus mod manager spyware
nmm spyware

Please, find some real evidence. None of this means anything - a coincidental TLA collision with a trojen is meaningless...

Ooooh, They have my ip address... Whatever?... Who cares? Hey... ill give you some right now
1.1.1.1
1.1.1.2
1.1........
87.106.115.92

There numbers... If i wanted to collect IP addresses do you know how easy it would be?... i could just change something in my signature to an invisible image and go post on hundreds of forums and monitor the requests for the image...

<offtopic>

If you think GoogleCode is hard to use you should try some of the paid for tools that are considered industry standard in software.

Ill stick with my SVN or Team Foundation Server and Mantis any-day over googlecode. Tho SVN over TFS... I am well aware of the industry
standards.
Hell i'd even prefer Git over GoogleCode ! And that's command line!
</offtopic>

[Cycrow]

you can also find the exact same results if you search for spyware + steam as well

possitive virus warnings dont always mean much either. I know the plugin manager, X3 Mod Manager and X3 Editor have all been flagged up as viruses in the past (anything using NSIS was flagged as a virus)

TC and AP have also both been flagged as virues before as well.

every site you visit and every online service/application you have has your ip address

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

<offtopic>

If you think GoogleCode is hard to use you should try some of the paid for tools that are considered industry standard in software.

Ill stick with my SVN or Team Foundation Server and Mantis any-day over googlecode. Tho SVN over TFS... I am well aware of the industry
standards.
Hell i'd even prefer Git over GoogleCode ! And that's command line!
</offtopic>

GoogleCode supports SVN/Mercurial/GIT, you need only use GoogleCode website for initial setup of the repository, bug/RFC management, and the wiki. It really is a good FREE option for smallish open-source projects like mods.

Oh and GIT has a GPL licensed Windows/Linux GUI client that also interfaces with Windows Explorer (in Windows version), so no need for the command-line

[EDIT]Added link and expanded on description of GIT client.[/EDIT]

[ptb_ptb]

In what way ?

Yours would be the first truely negative comment I've seen, and I'm wondering why.

I've had some issues with Nexus, but nothing like what Slugworld seems to be complaining about. The issues I have are mainly

* Prickly responses to criticism and a rather strong 'in group / out group' feel.

To be fair, if you remain calm, logical and explain yourself politely they will respond in kind. But there's a tendency to sharp initial responses (Probably partly because they've had some nasty troll problems).

* Apparent inconsistencies in regard to copyright issues and uploading of material not authored by the uploader.

Usually they come down hard and fast, but I also know of at least one set of mods based on a mod whose terms and conditions specifically disallowed re-use or uploading elsewhere. The reasoning given by the Nexus mods who ruled on it was that it couldn't be proved that copyrighted material was used without permission because the original source of the material was not known. Even though the earliest version of the mod included in its readme a statement that the (anonymous) author had used copyright material without permission.

They didn't say as much, but I think the real reasons for their decision had more to do with
a) The related mods in question were really very popular and had been on nexus for a long time.
b) The original author was Japanese and thus his desires were given less weight. (A complaint I've seen from other non-Americans about Nexus).

[Sam L.R. Griffiths]

Hi,

Soon I should be merging XDownloads with nexus mods and my task is to make a very small document on how to make a conflict system.

We are not making the mod manager compatible with the x games due to the complexity (unless cycrow wants to have a go at it), so my idea was to make nexus automatically create a list like this.
So when a user uploads their mod they select what text file, page ect their mod is using. It then gets added to the list, this way a modder just has to look at the list to check if their slot has been taken or not.

As far as I'm aware we want a system where by people with uploaded files can go to a form that allows them to show what item/ware/ship/whatever slots they've used in their mod. This information will then be shown on the mod page, that will also flag other mods that will conflict with the current mod based on the conflict information provided by the author. And finally, a page will be setup to show all slot usage across all files. Is that right?

If you could break it down for us, so that a coder could look at it and know what he needs to do (i.e. what form fields he needs, the ranges for the slots, etc.) it will make it much easier for us to work on.

I need some help on this and for you to have your say.

Back on to the main topic... If Nexus (or whatever XDownloads host you end up using in the long term - actual site is a bit irrelevant to the main aim of this thread IMO) or the XDownloads tool uses/allows .NET components there is a strong possibility that you could re-use some of the current Changeling code to extract the resource information you need (I think I can find the time to do that for you if the server programmer does not do C# - source is available from GoogleCode as a GIT Repository).

[Jonas801]

Perhaps you have never used a nexus site? Premium just removes ads and gives you access to 2 premium download servers. Not a real biggy, but it doesnt separate access to files. Premium or normal, they could still download the same stuff.

Maybe you need to learn to read first. Its about the principle of treating everyone the same. Capped DL speeds and (from what I read in their forums) differentiated treatment is just what I got in 10 min searching. I will not support a system based on those principles (credit card first, then everyone else).

MFG

Ketraar

If anything that nexus has done then it is making modding really popular and it is still growing in numbers. Wether premium or not has nothing to do with it in practical terms of how one is using the site. Since years i can download just fine with more than enough speed and i am not in any program. The worst thing that can happen with nexus is more people joining in and making mods.