X3AP version 2.0 – The war continues

[werewolves?]

Egosoft practically gave this game away for free, can't really be grumpy at them for hundreds of hours of entertainment for the price they charge.

If I paid anywhere near a normal game price (like I did for my copy of Skyrim that gathers dust due to AP) I might feel entitled to grizzle, but they must do this development on a massive budget.

[WeriTis]

Not gonna keep this going, but i'm guessing your one of the "terran players who got screwed" aren't ya...

"You know, my brother once told me that nothing someone says before the word "but" really counts."

Dismissing critic, that is based on valid arguements, just because you happen to be not affected, is pretty ignorant.
Yes, i chose the terran start. Do you even see how this is splitting the community already...?

[DarkKlown77]

Not gonna keep this going, but i'm guessing your one of the "terran players who got screwed" aren't ya...

"You know, my brother once told me that nothing someone says before the word "but" really counts."

Dismissing critic, that is based on valid arguements, just because you happen to be not affected, is pretty ignorant.
Yes, i chose the terran start. Do you even see how this is splitting the community already...?

To be honest I don't really give a damn, you choose your start, I choose mine, now we deal with it. I took the time to rechoose the start I originally picked because I read what CBJ said about Terrans having NO plots.

[Ripskar]

So what you're saying is that the plot means enough to you to sink a significant amount of effort into it.
Would you be upset if you found that was for nothing?

[DarkKlown77]

So what you're saying is that the plot means enough to you to sink a significant amount of effort into it.
Would you be upset if you found that was for nothing?

It wouldn't affect me, because I took the time to process what CBJ said in his posts when AP came out and everyone asked about Terran plots. I didn't continue playing the terran start knowing the terrans wouldn't get plot missions. Again, I'm sorry some people didn't process this information.

[Ripskar]

It has affected you.
You restarted.

I have an Argon save purely so that I could see what the plot was about.
My Terran save is my primary sandbox game, it's not the plot it's the components of the sandbox that are missing.

[DarkKlown77]

It has affected you.
You restarted.

Actually your absolutely right, But I didn't sink a ton of hours into terran start knowing they don't have plot missions.

This'll be my last post on the subject, I apologize for peoples lack of reading and being informed, but i'm also sick of reading through 11 pages of complaining about their lack of being informed.

[WeriTis]

So what you're saying is that the plot means enough to you to sink a significant amount of effort into it.
Would you be upset if you found that was for nothing?

It wouldn't affect me, because I took the time to process what CBJ said in his posts when AP came out and everyone asked about Terran plots. I didn't continue playing the terran start knowing the terrans wouldn't get plot missions. Again, I'm sorry some people didn't process this information.

And by process you mean "made the right guess".

Also, no plot is, and stating that again and again makes me feel like a broken record, not the issue. No PHQ and no UFJD are.

[plawolf]

Egosoft practically gave this game away for free, can't really be grumpy at them for hundreds of hours of entertainment for the price they charge.

If I paid anywhere near a normal game price (like I did for my copy of Skyrim that gathers dust due to AP) I might feel entitled to grizzle, but they must do this development on a massive budget.

Well, some people like me actually bought the AP+TC steam version because TC is required to play AP, but there is nowhere around that sells a disc version of AP, and steam AP does not work with our original disc version of TC. So if you did that, you did effectively pay full retail price for an expansion, which AP is. And I was happy to pay the extra bit at the time as a reward for ES, because of the goodwill and appreciation I had for the previous work they had done. But not any more.

In addition, for most people, money isn't even the issue, it is the time that we had invested in our games wasted that really hacks people of.

For the few wilfully ignorant people out there (this point has been made often enough in this very thread already that if you don't know it, you either need to learn to read or is choosing not to acknowledge it), no, the problem people are having is precisely because none of us -chose- the limitations that have been imposed on our games.

The lack of plot everyone either knew about, or don't really care too much about. But after being specifically promised that apart from the plot, there would be no more limitations to our games from choosing Terrains, it is a disgrace that ES would go back on their word like this.

It is hard to overestimate how much goodwill ES has needlessly destroyed with this ridiculous decision. If ES really doesn't give a crap about that, than let me put it in a way ES should understand.

This move has been a PR disaster for ES, and it WILL negatively affect sales of Rebirth.

Every player who has been burned by AP because they chose a terrain start is going to be weary of a repeat with Rebirth. That means that instead of rushing to the shops to get the game on release day and paying full whack, they are going to leave it a few months to see if ES has left any more nasty surprises for players before they buy the game. If they buy the game at all.

And worst of all, ES has not given us any reason as to why they chose to not allow terrain start players to have access to the PHQ and UFJD, so it just feels like a deliberate decision to shaft so many of its loyal paying customers.

It's like McDonalds telling its customers 'oh, btw, we spat and pi$$ed in all the Big Macs because we don't agree with your decision to choose beef instead of chicken'.

[CharitonPericles]

It's like McDonalds telling its customers 'oh, btw, we spat and pi$$ed in all the Big Macs because we don't agree with your decision to choose beef instead of chicken'.

McDonalds cares about their customers and would fire whoever did this to them. Unfortunately, this is not true in the gaming industry. Here you can see that developer can 3.14ss you off by some stupid decision and than just essentially tell you to "swallow it". I will be deinitely wary of buying Rebirth considering that they managed to do this with both patches for AP.
It looks like best and brightest from Egosoft have already left to seek a career in the fast food industry. And now we can see the trend of diminishing intelligence in the decisions they make about their game.

[Cycrow]

Well, some people like me actually bought the AP+TC steam version because TC is required to play AP, but there is nowhere around that sells a disc version of AP, and steam AP does not work with our original disc version of TC. So if you did that, you did effectively pay full retail price for an expansion, which AP is. And I was happy to pay the extra bit at the time as a reward for ES, because of the goodwill and appreciation I had for the previous work they had done. But not any more.

actually you can use AP with the original TC version, all you have to do is register it with steam which you can do with all versions of TC

[Larxyz]

hias,
have no idea how much time and effort is it takes to make a new mission in AP, considering how long rare these plots are, seems to be quite some undertaking.

Just because the terrans did not get the PHQ/HUB this patch, doesnt mean they wont in the future. There were alot of new content along with Alot of bug fixes, the nice new drone frighets dont have full functionality yet so its highly likely that there well Atleast one more patch to fix that.

Since x2 atleast(dont know about the earlier ones) there has been meny patches that brings in new content, if you ponder it abit, its only logical that eventually there will be a patch that does give access to HUB and the PHQ. It just did not make it this time.

i have no idea what the working conditions are over at egosoft, they might hate or love their jobs. They might only be allowed to work on AP as a pet project in their free time away from Rebirth. Or there might be so much to work on that player feedback gets really slow respons.
Or the AP project might be entirely forced from above, making the designers/programers do it against their will. which is never a good thing.
The point is, Would You Like it if someone critizes you on this level after you have just finnished a project? hardly
Would you work better for it? no.
Please stay objective in your critisim and it will be Alot more likely that it will go home.

suggestions:
An "easy" solution to the complaints against, the PHQ not being availble to the terrans, would be to add a small mini-plot that allows the terrans to capture a TL containing the PHQ.
As for the hub... no idea, perhaps Terrans steal it from the Argon?

[Jumee]

you know they could just add PHQ for sale at The Moon shipyard as a one-off purchase

[Rednoahl]

Every player who has been burned by AP because they chose a terrain start is going to be weary of a repeat with Rebirth. That means that instead of rushing to the shops to get the game on release day and paying full whack, they are going to leave it a few months to see if ES has left any more nasty surprises for players before they buy the game. If they buy the game at all.

And worst of all, ES has not given us any reason as to why they chose to not allow terrain start players to have access to the PHQ and UFJD, so it just feels like a deliberate decision to shaft so many of its loyal paying customers.

It's like McDonalds telling its customers 'oh, btw, we spat and pi$$ed in all the Big Macs because we don't agree with your decision to choose beef instead of chicken'.

There's probably a few good reasons why there aren't missions for the Terrans, I can think of a few - not that any would calm the situation as it stands right now. I suspect that ES have "something" planned for the Terrans for the simple reason that they have been very quiet - if that "something" could spoil Rebirth in any way it won't be released until ES are ready. Mind, they might have nothing planned, after all there are many players who have been playing commonwealth for years longer than Terran have been available; some of whom elt a bit short changed with TC.

Anyway, I've sulked about some things ES have done in the past, (I'm still sullking about the boarding chanes made back years ago for example) but ES do things a their own pace for their own reasons.

In this age of zero day DLC I find it difficult to slag ES off; I know they care - I think they listen to the wrong people from time to time, but that's just my opinion... which even around here doesn't count for much.

[Fanatyk]

Love the polish translation. What about compatibility with X3:TC scripts and mods? When I find some time for playing, I'll be surely getting X3:AP

Cheers,
Adam

[wRAR]

What about compatibility with X3:TC scripts and mods?

It depends.

[eldyranx3]

Before I weigh in my my opinion (and bear in mind its just that) I would like to admit that this position is based on inconsistent lore and a liberal amount of plot speculation.

From what I have read going through the background text files of the AP Hub mini-plot, the Boron decide to enter the war and use the Hub as a weapon. Being pacifistic, they do not do this lightly. How effective this is considering the Terrans use TOA's is largely speculation. However, the flip side to this, imagine if the Terrans gained control of the Hub.

Against the Commonwealth, who need Ancient Gate Access, it could cripple their entire war effort. This is of course (depending on how you read the X-encyclopedia and take the intro to X3AP) before the Beryll attack on the inner Sol systems.

My point is Lore wise, X:Rebirth has already written the history of X3AP. While it is sad the once mighty Terra falls, it is, as they say, history now. Giving the Terrans access to the Hub might threaten established lore. And I understand this.

My only wish as a writer and player is that Egosoft ties in the X3TC DLC 'A Sunny Place' with the Hub and the Supernova mentioned in X:Rebirth.

[David Howland]

Could you tell me where the, 'get rid of steam on my AP .exe' software is available please?

[CBJ]

It's not available yet. I don't have a fixed date for its release yet, but would estimate a couple of weeks.

[Jumee]

Before I weigh in my my opinion (and bear in mind its just that) I would like to admit that this position is based on inconsistent lore and a liberal amount of plot speculation.

From what I have read going through the background text files of the AP Hub mini-plot, the Boron decide to enter the war and use the Hub as a weapon. Being pacifistic, they do not do this lightly. How effective this is considering the Terrans use TOA's is largely speculation. However, the flip side to this, imagine if the Terrans gained control of the Hub.

Against the Commonwealth, who need Ancient Gate Access, it could cripple their entire war effort. This is of course (depending on how you read the X-encyclopedia and take the intro to X3AP) before the Beryll attack on the inner Sol systems.

My point is Lore wise, X:Rebirth has already written the history of X3AP. While it is sad the once mighty Terra falls, it is, as they say, history now. Giving the Terrans access to the Hub might threaten established lore. And I understand this.

My only wish as a writer and player is that Egosoft ties in the X3TC DLC 'A Sunny Place' with the Hub and the Supernova mentioned in X:Rebirth.

Terrans should just blow the Asteroid belt gate to bits and be done with the whole war thing, and Neptune gate is terran constructed so maybe they can just turn the JD ability to lock on it off

But yeah the whole terran situation is probably because they are supposed to loose the war, but interesting thing is that when all the gates go down terrans are the only ones who get minimal damage as the only loose aldrin (again )

Anyway sorry for off-topic