* The Confederate States seceded from the United States.CaptainSim wrote: ↑Sat, 2. Jan 21, 00:47Their decision is a total betrayal of their ancestors and the cause of liberty. This is just another propaganda hit piece against the White race, who did less enslaving than many other races. We have a right to honor all generals, including ones that had slaves. Why aren't they continuously badmouthing all the Mohometan and negro leaders, and leaders of other races, that had slaves? Why are only White nations expected to capitulate and allow their countries to be invaded and their leaders denigrated? There will be a huge backlash and soon civil war.
* The Confederate States fired the first shots in the Civil War.
* In large part this happened because of "State Rights", which, essentially, was a fig leaf for "the continuance of the institution of slavery".
* The Confederate States started the American Civil War.
* Slavery is abhorrent. It is the institutionalised brutalisation of a class of people facilitating the coercion, physical abuse (up to and including murder) and sexual abuse (up to and including rape) of a population.
* Where slavery is / was based on the colour of your skin it adds "simply stupid" to the list of its wrongs.
* Some of those generals were in command of armies that summarily executed captured black Union troops and their officers because they were black. That's murder. A war crime.
* The Confederates lost. Comprehensively. The south was conquered. It was crushed. The only reason it wasn't levelled from Texas to South Carolina was because of the forbearance of the Union. In large part the Union won because the North invested its capital in industrialisation and railways, whereas the South invested its capital in slavery. Yup, the Confederates lost because of the institution they were trying to maintain. Gotta love the irony.
* Commemoration of generals who fought for the Confederates, to maintain the institution of slavery, is wrong - they fought for the wrong side, for the wrong reasons, and they lost.
* How you can say that something is the "betrayal of the cause of liberty" when it involves the ending of the institution of slavery is beyond me.
* It's not a "propaganda hit piece against the White race", it's the continuation of the cleaning up of the ugly legacy of the Civil War.
* They're US military bases on US soil. Paid for and maintained by US taxes. It's got nothing to do with other countries.
* The notion that "it's only White nations that are expected to capitulate and allow their countries to be invaded and their leaders denigrated" is... nonsense, and irrelevant.
* There won't be another civil war. Thankfully there aren't enough people stupid enough to subscribe to the kind of nonsense you're peddling. Those that are stupid enough to subscribe to it are necessarily... self-limiting.
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