Trump

[Vertigo 7]

US election results – live: Trump’s law firm pulls out in Arizona, amid claims president knows fight is over

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 21639.html

At least the law firm knows it's over, just wish that they will tell Trump that. As this legal firm has been helping Trump with most of his legal challenges.

"Trump" and "pulls out" in the same sentence. I'm sure there's a joke in there involving a 130k payment.

Ol' Rudy Colludy ain't giving up, though. He's still in PA claiming 650k ballots were illegal.

[Mightysword]

I don't think he has had 4 of the 5 stages I think he is pretty much still on the third stage.
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You may be right, or not. Who know what's going on in his mind. But I do have an alternative theory: Trump already know and accepted he lost. This is not about him trying to fight and stay in office, but trying to create chaos as a leverage. I wouldn't surprise after blowing up enough crap and controversies, Trump gonna reach out to Biden to make a deal, like "hey, I'll back down and concede quietly if you give me a golden parachute". What that golden parachute entails is everyone guess, but the list can be long, and if there is someone who want to do that, it would be Trump. Again, not claiming this is true, just offering a theory.

As for the Republican's support for Trump ... I wouldn't read much into it. A few days ago one of his son criticized the Republican for their "weak" support of Trump, and he isn't wrong about that. Anyone think the Republican should go out all gun blazing and tell Trump off are simply being unrealistic. On the other hand, the GOP is putting in a bare minimum amount of resistance, just enough to show Trump's voters that they're not throwing him overboard (he did get 70+mil votes after all). The Trump's ship is sinking, and the general body language of the GOP is hardly of someone who are ready to stick out their neck and risk going down on the same ship. If anything, this is less about trying to keep Trump in office and more about trying to make life as difficult as possible for Biden.

It's sad to see our politic had sunk to that level of pettiness, but that's all I take from the current situation. The media doing what they always do, amp up, hype up, wind up any detail and make it look like the next armagedon is right around the corner to get click.

[eladan]

This isn't just about the republican elites. It's also about the voters. Think about it this way... If you had a teacher that told you that 2+2=7, and for whatever reason, you chose to believe that (hypothetically speaking, of course). Then along comes another teacher that says "no, 2+2=4" and can prove it, and yet you continue to believe that 2+2=7, do you get to escape responsibility for being wrong? I would argue no because you're making a choice to ignore facts.

This is where Brasato and I were arguing that you are going too far. Those attitudes prevail because you haven't silenced the voices that are promoting that narrative. Not everyone with those views is promulgating them. Look, you're right - most of these people probably won't change their minds. They've been listening to the voices too long. But you can't simply write off and ignore an entire segment of your population (almost half!) because they've listened to the wrong people, particularly when many of them do have grievances which deserve some attention (loss of manufacturing jobs etc.) which are by and large the reason they've turned to those voices.

What you need to do is capture the kids attention. Sure, parents will have some influence over what their kids believe, but how long will that last when literally all the other voices they hear are saying something else? Generational change is possible. Consider how younger generations view climate change for instance. But the anti-truth propaganda machine needs to be dismantled. Permanently. With prejudice.

You're getting into economics which does bear some relation to racism but is also it's own separate issue. I agree there's a huge problem in wealth gaps that's only getting worse and I have a laundry list of issues with both republican and democrat politicians. I promise you, I'm no big fan of Pelosi, Schumer, even Biden. I'm not ignoring those issues and if you wanna start a thread on how corporate republicans and corporate democrats suck, I'll be happy to unload about it. However, for the purposes of this discussion, compared to Trump and his boot lickers, they are by far the lesser of two evils.

Economics and racism are definitely worth discussing, but it probably needs its own thread. Where it ties in here is that Republicans have been using economic tactics for decades to push their agenda. Has anyone here mentioned the Two Santa Claus theory? It's a tactic they've been using since Reagan, and it's been extraordinarily effective.

[Vertigo 7]

This isn't just about the republican elites. It's also about the voters. Think about it this way... If you had a teacher that told you that 2+2=7, and for whatever reason, you chose to believe that (hypothetically speaking, of course). Then along comes another teacher that says "no, 2+2=4" and can prove it, and yet you continue to believe that 2+2=7, do you get to escape responsibility for being wrong? I would argue no because you're making a choice to ignore facts.

This is where Brasato and I were arguing that you are going too far. Those attitudes prevail because you haven't silenced the voices that are promoting that narrative. Not everyone with those views is promulgating them. Look, you're right - most of these people probably won't change their minds. They've been listening to the voices too long. But you can't simply write off and ignore an entire segment of your population (almost half!) because they've listened to the wrong people, particularly when many of them do have grievances which deserve some attention (loss of manufacturing jobs etc.) which are by and large the reason they've turned to those voices.

What you need to do is capture the kids attention. Sure, parents will have some influence over what their kids believe, but how long will that last when literally all the other voices they hear are saying something else? Generational change is possible. Consider how younger generations view climate change for instance. But the anti-truth propaganda machine needs to be dismantled. Permanently. With prejudice.

I agree with you, but the problem is those children grew up, perhaps not matured, but they did grow up and they became the ones spreading the BS.

And I'm not ignoring that change has occurred here. We obviously don't have slavery or segregation anymore and minorities were granted equal constitutional rights. But the change has slowed to a crawl and even reversed, in some cases. What you're telling me I can't do is EXACTLY what republicans just spent the last 4 years doing. More than a quarter of the population of this country were categorically disenfranchised by republicans based on nothing more than their race.

These folks have never experienced being left out in the cold. They need a taste of their own damn medicine. Just maybe they'll get the message that what they've been doing for decades is wrong once they've experienced even a tiny portion of what they've forced others to endure. And the thing is, they're so afraid of being on the receiving end of this because they already know they won't enjoy it.

[felter]

It turns out that any donations under 8 grand that are being donated to the election defense (American spelling) are actually going into the pockets of none other Donald trump and the RNC. Turns out it is all just another scam, if it's true.

Reuters investigation.

[Vertigo 7]

A fool and their money are soon parted

[matthewfarmery]

Trump campaign abandoned by law firm defending its Pennsylvania election lawsuit

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/trump- ... n-lawsuit/

Looks like the law firm doesn't want to be used to try and undermine the election. This is the second time they have pulled out. Its looking really likely, that they might pull out of other states too.

I guess Trump has to find another law firm, but if they decide to pickup the fight is anyone's guess. (I guess Trump's bribes aren't enough either.


So anyway, looking like Trump is losing the legal argument.

[Vertigo 7]

So anyway, looking like Trump is losing the legal argument.

That was always guaranteed to be the outcome since there was not any evidence of the things he was asserting.

But he still has Rudy Colludy who is more than happy to sell out the country for a few bucks and nudes of his cousins.

[matthewfarmery]

So anyway, looking like Trump is losing the legal argument.

That was always guaranteed to be the outcome since there was not any evidence of the things he was asserting.

But he still has Rudy Colludy who is more than happy to sell out the country for a few bucks and nudes of his cousins.

Starting to look interesting

Arizona Election Witness Confesses to Being Trump Campaign Lawyer's Business Partner in Court

https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-electi ... ?piano_t=1

So instead of finding fraud, they make it up, I hope that person will be dealt with in a legal manner. It really isn't good at all. But at least, its showing up Trump and his lost cause. I read else where that others have been paid to make up evidence. Trump is really desperate,

[Vertigo 7]

So instead of finding fraud, they make it up, I hope that person will be dealt with in a legal manner. It really isn't good at all. But at least, its showing up Trump and his lost cause. I read else where that others have been paid to make up evidence. Trump is really desperate,

That's exactly why I believe the goal is to disrupt the process so that the election ends up in the hands of congress. This was planned out months ago...

[felter]

So instead of finding fraud, they make it up

Which in itself is, fraud.

[Vertigo 7]

I was wrong.

I don't believe Tuberville was show boating when he said he was going to try to stop congress from getting a paycheck. The guy has no idea what he's doing and doesn't have the first clue how the US government is setup.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... r-BB1aZh0H

This is what our government is now. Any moron that can get in front of a TV camera can get elected to any office in government. They don't have to know anything. They can lie about whatever they want. They can shove the microphone down the back of their pants to record their ad approvals and you can count on the fine citizens of Alabama to vote for em.

[Vertigo 7]

All of the federal prosecutors that Barr selected to investigate allegations of election fraud have turned up zip. They've all signed onto a letter to Barr explaining as much and called for the reversal of his memo that broke with DoJ policy to stay out of elections.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... id=BHEA000

I doubt Barr will heed the call and I'd bet that it's likely Trump will push to have these prosecutors fired now.

[matthewfarmery]

So this is very funny

The ‘Dead’ People Trump Supporters Claim Voted In Election Are Actually Alive

https://www.unilad.co.uk/news/the-dead- ... lly-alive/

So basically, because of the size of America, you sometimes see people with similar names. So in this case, those dead people that Trump supports claimed were dead, are still amongst the living. Another humiliating mess up by Trump and co. also from what I read, most lawsuits have been quickly thrown out of court for most states now. But seems that Trump still hasn't fully given up, and has put Rudy Giuliani on the lawsuits instead.

In other news, the staff who did the fraud hotline for Trump have been complaining about their time working on the hotline, including, no protection from death threats, also poor working conditions. the hotline got shut down on Friday. So another whoopsie for Trump and co.

[RegisterMe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfyVUXMMKic

A presentation by Pete Souza about being (principally, Obama, but also Reagan) White House photographer. Over an hour long. I found it moving and inspiring.

[matthewfarmery]

This is even funnier,

Trump has assembled his new legal team

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/11/trump- ... -laughing/

Rudy Giuliani, Joseph diGenova, Victoria Toensing, Sidney Powell, and Jenna Ellis

Trump is just off his rocker now.

Well, Trump has tweeted that Biden won, but the election was rigged.

Also there was a march by pro trump supporters in DC, one person stabbed, at least 20 others arrested.

[felter]

Just for a change Trump made a tweet this morning, but the change wasn't that he made a tweet it was that the tweet started with the two words:

he won.

The rest of the tweet was of course the normal made up BS that makes up his usual tweets, but those two words are the first time Trump has acknowledged that Biden won, that he Trump lost the election.

[Vertigo 7]

IF Trump were to give up trying legal maneuvering to try to undermine the election, he’s damaged the credibility of elections among enough people to cause future problems. He’s preyed upon the gullibility of his lemmings. We may not ever see a normal election again.

[Vertigo 7]

After the dust settles, democrats ought to sue the Trump campaign and the RNC into oblivion for libel.

[Vertigo 7]

So this tub of lard that's preventing the federal government from allowing Biden's transition team to step in and start doing their thing is job hunting while refusing to admit Biden won.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... id=BHEA000