Rebirth release date. - Part 2

wwdragon · Post by **wwdragon** » Sat, 20. Apr 13, 03:09

Yes, yes we can.

Fallent · Post by **Fallent** » Sat, 20. Apr 13, 08:58

BarrenEarth wrote:
Fallent wrote:I swear to god people don't actually even bother to check 2 pages back to realise they're posting completely false dates.
CHEESEBURGER!

Sorry... it was there two pages ago

KETCHUP!

+1 June/July/Yesterday release. But you already guessed that

shea · Post by **shea** » Sun, 21. Apr 13, 23:17

Just seen on the sticky post,the big picture,release date that x rebirth will be released in 2013.Didnt it used to say expected to be released in 2013?

BarrenEarth · Post by **BarrenEarth** » Mon, 22. Apr 13, 00:45

shea wrote:Just seen on the sticky post,the big picture,release date that x rebirth will be released in 2013.Didnt it used to say expected to be released in 2013?

http://web.archive.org/web/201210160352 ... nfo_en.php

Cowski · Post by **Cowski** » Mon, 22. Apr 13, 02:22

BarrenEarth wrote:
Crash Test Dummy wrote:michi_metal has found gameware.at, where X Rebirth can be pre-ordered. According to the Information given on this website, the release of X Rebirth will be 15.09.2013.
What is their refund policy?!

BWAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

shea · Post by **shea** » Mon, 22. Apr 13, 13:43

BarrenEarth wrote:
shea wrote:Just seen on the sticky post,the big picture,release date that x rebirth will be released in 2013.Didnt it used to say expected to be released in 2013?
http://web.archive.org/web/201210160352 ... nfo_en.php

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo,crap i forgot about checking the main page

shireknight · Post by **shireknight** » Tue, 23. Apr 13, 00:51

Many months ago I made a joke comparing X Rebirth to Duke Nukem Forever and CBJ replied saying something along the lines of "don't worry if I thought the development of X Rebirth would drag out like Duke Nukem's did then I wouldn't hang around myself

"

Well a short while ago Bernd let slip that Rebirth has already been in development for over six years and we still don't have a release date yet so you know what? X Rebirth is turning out to be Egosofts/Deep Silvers Duke Nukem Forever, it really is

Demongornot · Post by **Demongornot** » Tue, 23. Apr 13, 01:08

The problem is that we have no idea of why it take soo long.

DNF have changing several time of graphic engine, that mean : the coders need to do again all the code from the begin and restart from 0.

For X Rebirth it can't be it, cause X Rebirth have its own graphic engine and nothing lets supposed that its have change of graphic engine.

And i also think that DNF team want to wait until the computer was powerful enough for doing the graphic that they want or something like this, but X Rebirth, computer was already powerful enough when it was started 6 year ago...

They have planed a lot of ultra detailed station with a lot of animation and a lot of giant planet/star and sector, but i don't think the 3D size is the problem.
Feature can be, cause they say that they don't stop to adding features, but i'm sure they can be reasonably enough and it can be the problem cause if the problems its just feature (and additional things like this) it was not possible cause they can add it with DLC, it mean a game release with already a lot of feature and a DLC who will justifying 10 time more its own cost with the new feature, they do it for free with patch for AP and TC, so even if it can be the problem i don't think so.

And considering that they was a really small team and they don't have a lot of game, they will ran out of money, the delay for a small team who have not a lot of (modern and know) game already in the market can be disastrous, so i'm sure they do the best to release the game soon as possible, for themselves and for us.

It mean they have encounter a really big problem or a really huge obstacle, maybe the AI unable to work correctly, always colide inside station or so, but when i see the video already release i don't think so, maybe a conciderable optimization or performance but also i don't think so...
I have try to imagine any problem that it can be but i don't find one possible.

Maybe a dual GPU or multi cpu/core exploitation trouble, or maybe they finally have trying to do too much with all the feature, all the 3D object and animations, the voices, the slot, the sectors and all the complex things they have planed, its maybe too much and maybe the game was already working but a lot of things like dozen of station, ship and sector and maybe big part of the main slot was not finish, who know they maybe try to including almost all idea that people give on the forum... and everytime someone post a new idea on a thread it just again increase the delay of the release date

...

The only thing i was sure about is that it was a really big problem...

Chris0132 · Post by **Chris0132** » Tue, 23. Apr 13, 01:48

A small team equally has reduced running costs, apparently the egosoft office runs entirely on pizza anyway.

Honestly, X is a fairly large game, made by a fairly small team, rebuildng it from the floor up while also working on all the various X3s will take a while.

Also art really does take a very long time, art assets are probably the most time intensive assets in a game, the art team is usually much larger than the programming team to make up the difference because art is very much just sheer number of pixels and vertices that need placing, whereas programming favors elegant solutions.

I'm sure ego are balancing what they need to do with what resources they have, but artists will likely be working all the way through development to get all the art done.

Demongornot · Post by **Demongornot** » Tue, 23. Apr 13, 02:07

Yeah but even with reduced running cost they have also reduced gain and for the moment nothing who give them money people actually buying X3 game is really rare now.

And the "apparently the egosoft office runs entirely on pizza anyway." almost kill me of laugh !

The only thing i hoe will be that we don't will wait all this time for a leak of feature (i don't think so, i think we will maybe have in fact too much of them) or the same effect than DNF who has been release a lot time after his begin and finally was not a good game, i just hope we don't will wait all this time for a game not good as the promises or what we imagine.

Anyways i agree, but its now really way too much time...

Nikola515 · Post by **Nikola515** » Tue, 23. Apr 13, 02:27

It is true they have been working on game for 6 years....But that's not the only game that they have been working on (X3R,TC and AP) and all updates....With a team they have they are pulling miracle

Did you see how exhausted they look on video( they need to shave and take shower)

shireknight · Post by **shireknight** » Tue, 23. Apr 13, 02:38

Nikola515 wrote: Did you see how exhausted they look on video( they need to shave and take shower)

That's not exhaustion that's the standard look of computer game programmers

BarrenEarth · Post by **BarrenEarth** » Tue, 23. Apr 13, 04:44

shireknight wrote:
Nikola515 wrote: Did you see how exhausted they look on video( they need to shave and take shower)
That's not exhaustion that's the standard look of computer game programmers

As a project manager of a large scale software project... I agree... damn hippies need a bath

Just kidding, we love our programmer overlords!

Chris0132 · Post by **Chris0132** » Tue, 23. Apr 13, 12:32

Demongornot wrote:Yeah but even with reduced running cost they have also reduced gain and for the moment nothing who give them money people actually buying X3 game is really rare now.

And the "apparently the egosoft office runs entirely on pizza anyway." almost kill me of laugh !

The only thing i hoe will be that we don't will wait all this time for a leak of feature (i don't think so, i think we will maybe have in fact too much of them) or the same effect than DNF who has been release a lot time after his begin and finally was not a good game, i just hope we don't will wait all this time for a game not good as the promises or what we imagine.

Anyways i agree, but its now really way too much time...

*shrug*

They release X3 AP not very long ago, and all game studios at least partly operate on the 'release big game, make lots of money, stockpile money to last through development of next game, release next game' model.

Not having very much income at the moment is normal for game development studios, it's why so many of them collapse, the development cycle is inherently very unstable, but egosoft have been in business a long time, so I think they know what they're doing. They've always taken a slightly different approach, they support their games a long time after release and as such, their games don't entirely go out of date. I would expect that there is still a steady, if small stream of people buying X games even now, and once they release AP 2.0 I expect they'll get another little boost to AP sales, and probably do a special offer as well.

So I wouldn't worry about the company collapsing, they really do seem to just be doing the usual thing for a development company, just more slowly, but they can probably afford to do it slowly because they're a smaller team.

elexis · Post by **elexis** » Tue, 23. Apr 13, 13:16

Chris0132 wrote: all game studios at least partly operate on the 'release big game, make lots of money, stockpile money to last through development of next game, release next game' model.

Actually most run on a 'pitch idea to publisher, get loan, make game, sell game, load repayed - excess is profit (which the publisher gets a big chunk of as loan interest)'

Chris0132 · Post by **Chris0132** » Tue, 23. Apr 13, 13:32

elexis wrote:
Chris0132 wrote: all game studios at least partly operate on the 'release big game, make lots of money, stockpile money to last through development of next game, release next game' model.
Actually most run on a 'pitch idea to publisher, get loan, make game, sell game, load repayed - excess is profit (which the publisher gets a big chunk of as loan interest)'

Replace 'money' with 'credit' then.

Same general idea.

Post by **Alan Phipps** » Tue, 23. Apr 13, 16:19

Shireknight's thread of 10 posts merged with Release Date thread.

ZaphodBeeblebrox · Post by **ZaphodBeeblebrox** » Wed, 24. Apr 13, 08:08

As someone who is a software developer of 20 years experience, I have no problem with Egosoft taking 6+ years to develop their new masterpiece.

I work with people who regularly have to quote release dates, but only really do so when they have to. (Like they have their backs to the wall and are facing a loaded gun

)

So having a probable date for a release just seems normal to me.

On a side note, we have our share of long hairs, weird beards, the strangely strange and oddly normals.

I even suspect some of the people working here are real aliens, but thats just software developement for you!

Demongornot · Post by **Demongornot** » Wed, 24. Apr 13, 11:58

I have no problems with the time of development itselt, i have just a problem with the time that the game make us waiting since the first announcement and since the first time it was supposed to be release.

And they are smart enough for making a correct time estimation even it if was really complicated, but the fact was that the date was expired since a lot of time, it sound like a big problem for me.
Something happen during the development and i'm sure it was something heavy...

Post by **CBJ** » Wed, 24. Apr 13, 12:23

Demongornot wrote:And they are smart enough for making a correct time estimation even it if was really complicated, but the fact was that the date was expired since a lot of time, it sound like a big problem for me.
Something happen during the development and i'm sure it was something heavy...

I've explained several times that there hasn't been a "big problem", just an accumulation of small things that have pushed things back. I've also explained that when the very first date was given it was probably a mistake to have done so, because we really weren't really far enough down the line to do much more than guess.

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Rebirth release date. - Part 2

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